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Revisiting the Lineage of Primes

Postby roBROmanceFTW » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:49 pm

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Before I start rambling, some of this might/can be regarded as spoiler, so proceed with caution, but I do not assume to be an expert! Far from one, in fact. I am trying to compile a list that is as comprehensive as possible regarding Cybertron's lineage of Primes, so that I may attempt to collect them all (more or less using some "other" figures as stand-in.) Here goes:

1. Primon (Alpha Prime)
2(?) 13 Primes
3. Guardian Prime
4. ...?...
5(?) Nova Prime
6. Nominus Prime
7. Sentinal Prime/Zeta Prime/ Sentinal Zeta Prime(?)
8. Optimus Prime
9. Rodimus Prime

Regarding Primon, supposedly Rodimus met him in the G1 cartoon; he was said to be older than Prima. Guardian Prime then comes along...did he come after Prima? Primon's placement then gets changed when Prima is revealed to be one of the 13 Primes...THE first creations of Primus. So who came first if the cartoon and the comics are canon? Am I missing something here?

Additionally, I am aware that Alpha Trion is one of the 13 in the Aligned contiuity. Since he IS one of the 13, shouldn't that make him a Prime as well? Even if he is not a Prime in Aligned, he is technically a multiversal character by virtue of being one of the 13. Therefore, Prime or no Prime? Answering this will help me determine whether I should collect Alpha Trion.

Was Zeta Prime a High Moon original character, or was he in the comics as well? Furthermore, is he now regarded as the same individual as Sentinel?

Although I do understand that, even while the comics are regarded as canon, they can and do contradict with the G1 cartoon. Heck, they even contradict with themselves. It's just nice to discuss the lore of the Primes and how they came about. I think someone like Furman should one day write a comprehensive arc about the Primes.

Discuss...help???
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Re: Revisiting the Lineage of Primes

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:59 am

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Okay let's see if I can help, the thirteen from prime are different from the thirteen in other fictions. Which makes sense as aside from aligned, the thirteen were added retroactively so none of the older fiction will make reference to them. Also comics and cartoons don't take place in the same universe (I am guessing you were talking about G1).

Also you missed off Vector Prime from the list. Zeta was Sentinel's successor
I believe...Or at least he was in the IDWverse.

As for alpha trion, he's different in each continuity
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Re: Revisiting the Lineage of Primes

Postby roBROmanceFTW » Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:55 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:Okay let's see if I can help, the thirteen from prime are different from the thirteen in other fictions. Which makes sense as aside from aligned, the thirteen were added retroactively so none of the older fiction will make reference to them. Also comics and cartoons don't take place in the same universe (I am guessing you were talking about G1).

Also you missed off Vector Prime from the list. Zeta was Sentinel's successor
I believe...Or at least he was in the IDWverse.

As for alpha trion, he's different in each continuity


Thanks for the help. So the old Transformers G1 comics and the current RID and MTMTE from IDW do not take place in the G1 universe? That is bogus...

By the way, even outside of Aligned, Vector Prime has been confirmed to be one of the 13 Primes.
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Re: Revisiting the Lineage of Primes

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:01 pm

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Here are all of the Primes, and all of the Convoys.

Note that Italicized Convoys are ones that were NOT Primes in the English versions.

And that this list only contains leaders who are specifically Primes/Convoys, excluding any leaders who weren't Primes/Convoys.

And those with "**" represent different-named versions of the same guy directly above them.

Generation 1-2 Marvel Comics:
* Prima
* Prime Nova
* Sentinel Prime
* Optimus Prime
* Rodimus Prime (various alternate future timelines)
* Modus Prime (Classics splinter timeline)

Generation 1 cartoon:
* "Ancient Robot" (retroactively, and retroactively named "Primon, the Aplha Prime")
* "Powerful Robot" (retroactively, and retroactively named "Prima")
* "Brooding Robot" (retroactively, and retroactively named "Prime Nova A.K.A. Nove Prime")
* "Pre-Transformer" (retroactively, and retroactively named "Guardian Prime")
* "New Narrator" (retroactively, and retroactively named "Zeta Prime")
* "U-Haul Robot" (retroactiely, and retroactively named "Sentinel Prime")
* Optimus Prime
** Powermaster Optimus Prime
* Rodimus Prime

Japanese Generation 1 cartoons and related media:
* Convoy
** Star Convoy
** Super Convoy (Nucleon Quest)
** Convoy (G-2)
** Battle Convoy
** G1 Convoy Black Version
* Rodimus Convoy
* Fire Convoy
** Super Fire Convoy
** God Fire Convoy
* Black Convoy
* Reverse Convoy
* Convoy (Kiss Players)
* Nise Convoy
* Pepsi Convoy
* Black Rodimus Convoy

Beast Era cartoons and related media
* Optimus Prime
* Primon
* Prima
* Prime Nova
* Sentinel Prime
* Rodimus Prime
* Primal Prime
* Lio Convoy
** Leo Prime
* Big Convoy
* "Joe Convoy" (false name)

Japanese Beast Era:
* Convoy
** Convobat
** Burning Convoy
** Metals Convoy
** Powered Convoy
** Convoy (Beast Wars Returns)
** Beast Convoy
** Burning Beast Convoy
* Lio Convoy
** Great Lio Convoy
** Leo Prime
* Black Lio Convoy
* Big Convoy
* Black Big Convoy
* Great Convoy
* Unnamed Convoy Council member
* Unnamed Convoy Council member
* Crow Convoy
* Break (BW Neo manga, after earning the rank in the final chapter)
* Cohrada (BW Neo manga, after earning the rank in the final chapter)
* Longrack (BW Neo manga, after earning the rank in the final chapter)
* Stampy (BW Neo manga, after earning the rank in the final chapter)
* Many of Longrack's ancestors (BW Neo manga)
* Star Upper (claimed to hold the rank of "Hyper Convoy Brilliant Special 98", twas a lie)
* Logos Prime

Robots in Disguise:
* Optimus Prime
** Omega Prime

Generation 1 Dreamwave comics:
* Alpha Prime
* Guardian Prime
* Sentinel Prime
* Optimus Prime
* Rodimus Prime (strangely)

Unicron Trilogy:
* Optimus Prime
** Jet Convoy/Jet Optimus/Jet Prime (the combined form of Optimus and Jetfire) :roll:
** The combined form of Optimus and Overload
** The combined form of the above two combined forms
** The combined forms of Optimus and Wing Saber (Energon)
** Optimus Supreme
** Optimus Prime Savage Claw Mode
** Optimus Prime Sonic Wing Mode
* Nemesis Prime
* Vector Prime

Micron Trilogy:
* Convoy
** Jet Convoy
** Magna Convoy
** Magna Jet Convoy
** Convoy Final Battle Coloration
** Grand Convoy
** Wing Convoy
** Omega Convoy
**/* Galaxy Convoy (debatable if he's the same guy as the above or not)
** Liger Convoy
** Sonic Convoy
* Prime (Armada Sparkplug's Japanese name)
* Rodimus Convoy
* Vector Prime
* Nitro Convoy
* Flame Convoy
* Live Convoy
* Megalo Convoy

Universe (2003):
* Nemesis Prime
* Spychanger Optimus Prime

Alternators:
* Optimus Prime
* Nemesis Prime

Binaltech and Alternity:
* Convoy
** Convoy Ultimate Silver
* Convoy Vibrant Red
* Convoy Super Black

Masterpiece:
* Convoy
* Rodimus Convoy
* Black Convoy
* Black Rodimus Convoy

Generation 1 Devil's Due "G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers" comics:
* Optimus Prime
* Serpentor Prime

Generation 1 IDW comics:
* Unknown
* Unknown
* Nova Prime
** Nemesis Prime
* Nominus Prime
* Sentinel Prime
* Zeta Prime
* Optimus Prime
* "Rodimus Prime" (not official, just a temporary nickname)

Movieverse:
* The Fallen
* Prima
* 5 or 11 other Primes
* Sentinel Prime
* Optimus Prime
* Bendy-Bus Prime
* Darkside Optimus Prime
* Nemesis Prime

Animated:
* Ultra Prime (former, promoted to "Ultra Magnus")
* Fire Prime
* Big Bang Prime
* Override Prime
* Rodimus Prime
* Sentinel Prime (former, promoted to "Sentinel Magnus")
* Longarm Prime
* Optimus Prime
** Wingblade Optimus Prime
* "Beeimus Prime" (false name)
* Nemesis Prime
* Shattered Glass Optimus Prime

Universe (2008):
* Nemesis Prime

TransTech:
* Optimus Prime

Shattered Glass:
* Optimus Prime
* Rodimus Prime (self-appointed)

Henkei! Henkei!:
* Convoy

United:
* Optimus Prime
** Optimus Prime Cybertron Mode
** Laser Optimus Prime
** Black Optimus Prime
* Rodimus Prime
* Darkside Optimus Prime

Original Thirteen Primes (Multiverse):
* Prima
* The Fallen
* Vector Prime
* Nexus Prime
* Logos Prime
** Soundblaster
* Eight others

Original Thirteen Primes (Aligned):
* Prima
* Vector Prime
* Alpha Trion
* Solus Prime
* Micronus Prime
* Alchemist Prime
* Nexus Prime
* Onyx Prime
* Amalgamous Prime
* Quintus Prime
* Liege Maximo
* Megatronus
** The Fallen
* "Thirteen" Optimus Prime

Aligned Continuity:
* The above Aligned Thirteen
* Sentinel Zeta Prime
* Optimus Prime
* "Nemesis Prime" (a non-living, man-made, remote-controlled robot doppelganger of Optimus)

Japanese version of the Aligned continuity
* Optimus Prime
** Shining Optimus Prime
** Dark Guard Optimus Prime
** The combined form of Optimus and Gaia Unicron
** Hunter Optimus Prime
** Optimus ExPrime
* "Nemesis Prime" (the same man-made doppelganger from the English version)
** The combined form of Nemesis Prime and Nightmare Unicron (debatable since Nemesis isn't actually his own person)
* Leo Prime (same guy as the Japanese Beast Era character)
* Go Prime
* Hunter Nemesis Prime

The Cybertron Satellite Town Commanders:
* Akiba Prime
* Fukutsu Prime
* Ginza Prime
* Ikebukuro Prime
* Itami Prime
* Kawasaki Prime
* Mito Prime
* Nagoya Prime
* Saitama Prime
* Sapporo Prime
* Sendai Prime
* Tachikawa Prime
* Umeda Prime
* Yokohama Prime
* Daimicron Prime
* Hakata Prime
* Hiroshima Prime
* Ishinomaki Prime
* Yūrakuchō Prime

Kre-O:
* Optimus Prime
* Sentinel Prime
* Nemesis Prime

Bot Shots:
* Optimus Prime
* Sentinel Prime
* Nemesis Prime

Cap Bots:
* Captimus Prime

GT:
* GT-R Prime
* Safety Prime

Transformers × Evangelion
* Convoy
** Convoy Mode "EVA"

IDW "Transformers vs. G.I. Joe" comics:
* Optimus Prime

Transformers Cloud:
* Optimus Prime

Angry Bird Transformers:
* Optimus Prime
* Sentinel Prime

And... I think that's it (without just further deviations of the same characters from more obscure mediums like the G1 books, the Beast Era manga, the Galaxy Force manga, etc.).
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Re: Revisiting the Lineage of Primes

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:27 am

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Wow, that...is quite a list Sabrblade. I'm surprised you know all of this stuff :)

Question though..Where did it mention about older bots like that in the G1 cartoon. I'm having trouble remembering anything other then the quints
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Re: Revisiting the Lineage of Primes

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:09 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:Question though..Where did it mention about older bots like that in the G1 cartoon. I'm having trouble remembering anything other then the quints

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Re: Revisiting the Lineage of Primes

Postby roBROmanceFTW » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:45 am

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