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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby viruscarnage » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:41 pm

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A series geared to adults? I doubt it will ever happen. It's just not their mainstream audience, I would love a series like that but I really doubt that it will every happen. And for them to market that properly would be a complete mess.
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby vegetacron » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:16 pm

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I was surprised my Transformers Animated. At first look, it was like utter crap, but after i sat down and started watching the episodes, it's brilliance showed through.

I hate Bayformers. I make no reservations about this, but i liked TA, i loved Prime, and if Orci does as good of a job with the next series, as he did with Prime, i'm totally onboard for it.

Now, that Transfomers Go!...sigh...IMO, they shoulda called Transformers WTF!?, but they may prove me wrong and make it worth while. lol
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby MINDVVIPE » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:31 pm

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I think I am happy with some of the adult themes already present in Prime, animated (which had a nice little war scene where Cyclonus and a few others attack a few autobots and even kill the nurse if I remember correctly), Beast Wars, which killed off a few characters here and there, and of course the 86 movie that was delightfully violent, but still had those themes of hope (matrix), friendship (junkions) and joy that came from every win the autobots had, even the slight ones (when they escape earth and have a moment to breathe)

I think it can have both the childish fun and the adult themes and still stay true to the TF brand AND still have good storytelling. Animated showed a lot of the more regular Earth based stories, but then still managed to include some of the war elements through Ratchet's flashbacks, and what really ends up happening to the Autobots on Cybertron. The comics also seem to show a LOT more than just the war, but there is still the very violent parts with the Decepticons who turn into torture devices.

I want it all :grin: It doesn't need to show the violence to get good storytelling across, but at the same time, I don't want it to sugar coat things if there really is an ongoing war and its important in the story to show it. BladeRunner, as an example, had brilliant story telling, yet didn't NEED to show the replicants' escape from the mining colony. The emotions communicated when those events are told in the movie was enough to bring forth the very seriousness of the situation, and perhaps did it more justice than if it were made today, and you saw all the cgi bullcrap that would be in those scenes. I know, BladeRunner is an adult movie, I was just using it as an example for what is required in good storytelling, and what necessarily isn't.
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:24 pm

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vegetacron wrote:Now, that Transfomers Go!...sigh...IMO, they shoulda called Transformers WTF!?, but they may prove me wrong and make it worth while. lol
People shouldn't be treating Go! like any typical TF cartoon as it's not supposed to be. It's just a series of short, straightforward mini-sodes that serve as magazine extras rather than a full fledged cartoon.

The best comparison I can make to it would be the Cyber Missions online web series episodes, which were even more cheap-looking yet those hardly get any flak at all. :roll:

MINDVVIPE wrote:I think I am happy with some of the adult themes already present in Prime, animated (which had a nice little war scene where Cyclonus and a few others attack a few autobots and even kill the nurse if I remember correctly),
None of Team Athenia were killed by Team Chaar's attack. Though, Rodimus was put out of commission for a while by Oil Slick's Cosmic Rust, but he recovered by "Decepticon Air", being visibly alive and well in (the HD widescreen version of) that episode's parade crowd shot. ;)

MINDVVIPE wrote:Beast Wars, which killed off a few characters here and there,
For Beast Wars, they could get away with most of the violence it had for two reasons: A large portion of it was comical instead of graphic (i.e. - Waspinator's suffrage), and the CR Chamber/CR Tank ensured everyone "killed" would be back to form by the next episode. ;)

Though, the season finales were a different case entirely. :WHISTLE:
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby MINDVVIPE » Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:12 pm

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Spittor Kills the Autobot nurse in TA during that scene where hotrod is hit with cosmic rust.

Beast Wars did have the CR chambers, but there were definitely some final deaths:
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_deaths_in_Beast_Wars

It's appropriate to have deaths in a war. If the story wasn't about the war, then i'm completely fine with it being minimal on violence and death. But I do agree that it should be handled with care and not just to be "edgy".
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:36 pm

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MINDVVIPE wrote:Spittor Kills the Autobot nurse in TA during that scene where hotrod is hit with cosmic rust.
And yet, Red Alert was seen alive and well later in both "Decepticon Air" and "Endgame, Part II". And again in "The Stunti-Con Job".

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MINDVVIPE wrote:Beast Wars did have the CR chambers, but there were definitely some final deaths:
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_deaths_in_Beast_Wars
I didn't say there weren't deaths in it. Just that the comedy and CR chambers allowed characters to "die" without really dying.

The actual deaths came from either cases like Dinobot (in which they had to move old product to make room for newcomers) or the season finales, which, as I said, were something else altogether.

MINDVVIPE wrote:It's appropriate to have deaths in a war. If the story wasn't about the war, then i'm completely fine with it being minimal on violence and death. But I do agree that it should be handled with care and not just to be "edgy".
I'm not saying there should be no death in war fiction. Just that it need not be so heavily promoted in order to have good storytelling.

I mean, in all honesty, would all 65 episodes of TF: Prime still be as popular as they are if Cliffjumper's murder hadn't happened like it did and episode 1 instead began with Cliff's funeral?

Not specifically asking you, MINDVVIPE. Just a general question to anyone. ;)
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:32 am

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Cliffjumper dying has nothing to do with TFPrime's popularity, nothing at all, if it did it would mean that Cliffjumper is a universally hated character, but he's not that job is kinda taken up by Wheely, The Movieverse guys and Energon.

The thing that makes TF Prime great is the fact that it's for children, but instead going the G1 route and treating it's viewer ship like idiots it takes itself and its viewers serious. It doesn't talk down to its audience. Sure it has it's moments where it kinda cheats, but for the most part it doesn't.

It's great because it goes the Batman TAS route by being something that can be watched by both children and adults alike, without anyone feeling stupid doing so. It also has the quality to back that up. It's realistic in the way it presents its premise. It also has self respect and respect for its characters. IN TF Prime a death actually means something while in every other TF show all it does is make the audience count the episodes till it's reversed.


Transformers has always been about a war, and a part of that is that people die, it adds to the show if every now and then someone actually dies due to the war that's going on. Otherwise it would be utterly pointless to have the premise be war.


If they're going for a sequel and kiddy it down, change the feel, change the style, and approach to the point that it's basically a completely different series, then of course it's going to suck. It's going to suck in the sense of being the show it's supposed to be a sequel of. If they thought that Prime's approach was too dark for children, then why the hell did they not change it before? So far everything save for Rescue Bots has been as dark as Prime, some of it even darker. This was Hasbro's whole desire, to be more than just a company that makes kiddy toys for kids, they wanted to do entertainment as well.
In fact so far Aligned has primarily been built around entertainment instead of toys. The TF Prime toy line is literally an afterthought, the FE toys were actually meant to be part of Generations.
They even went so far as to announce that Aligned will be here to stay for at least the next 10 years (back then, now it's still 6) of Transformers. And they've been working on that for at least the time of ROTF.

So this whole making it kiddy is a little weird, taking into mind the effort they put into this new direction and image. I mean what's the point then? They could just as well go back to importing crappy Anime shows by third parties.
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:22 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:Ok Sabre, it's kinda impossible and hard to read if I went and responded to everything separately so I'll try to do it like this.
Very well.

Dead Metal wrote:Cliffjumper dying has nothing to do with TFPrime's popularity, nothing at all, if it did it would mean that Cliffjumper is a universally hated character, but he's not that job is kinda taken up by Wheely, The Movieverse guys and Energon.
Well said. :APPLAUSE:

My mentioning of Cliffjumper's murder was meant for those who cite it as an example of the show's "maturity" and "sophistication" just because it happened in the first five minutes of the first episode and was done so brutally, when just about everything else in the show besides that scene shows Prime's quality just as well, if not better, than Cliff's death. ;)

Dead Metal wrote:The thing that makes TF Prime great is the fact that it's for children, but instead going the G1 route and treating it's viewer ship like idiots it takes itself and its viewers serious. It doesn't talk down to its audience. Sure it has it's moments where it kinda cheats, but for the most part it doesn't.

It's great because it goes the Batman TAS route by being something that can be watched by both children and adults alike, without anyone feeling stupid doing so. It also has the quality to back that up.
And I agree with this.

Dead Metal wrote:It's realistic in the way it presents its premise. It also has self respect and respect for its characters. IN TF Prime a death actually means something while in every other TF show all it does is make the audience count the episodes till it's reversed.
You know as well as anyone that this is not always the case for every other TF show.

Dead Metal wrote:Transformers has always been about a war, and a part of that is that people die, it adds to the show if every now and then someone actually dies due to the war that's going on. Otherwise it would be utterly pointless to have the premise be war.
and I don't mind it happening every now and then. I did previously say, "I'm not saying there should be no death in war fiction. Just that it need not be so heavily promoted in order to have good storytelling," after all. ;)

My original inquiry was geared towards those who want it constantly on levels of arbitrary slaughterings and massacres. Or for those who want characters to die just for the sheer sake of having deaths happen, regardless of their actual worth to the story.

Dead Metal wrote:If they're going for a sequel and kiddy it down, change the feel, change the style, and approach to the point that it's basically a completely different series, then of course it's going to suck. It's going to suck in the sense of being the show it's supposed to be a sequel of.
But all that was said to be changed in this interview were the tone and the look. Orci didn't saying anything about changing the maturity. He said that Prime was adult due to its "clever wit".

Dead Metal wrote:If they thought that Prime's approach was too dark for children, then why the hell did they not change it before?
But they had. There were several episodes in Prime that were significantly lighter in tone than it originally was. Sure, it would get dark again in some places, but it would switch back to the lighter tone as well.

I'm fairly certain that when Orci mentioned the "too dark" mature of Prime, he was referring to those parts that were indeed quite dark, rather than everything of it including the lighthearted, comedic-toned episodes. If the new series is, perhaps, on the same level as the lighter Prime episodes, then I see no reason to fret.

Dead Metal wrote:They even went so far as to announce that Aligned will be here to stay for at least the next 10 years (back then, now it's still 6) of Transformers. And they've been working on that for at least the time of ROTF.
IIRC, I think it was a bit earlier, around 2007, that they first started working on it. :-B

Dead Metal wrote:So this whole making it kiddy is a little weird, taking into mind the effort they put into this new direction and image. I mean what's the point then? They could just as well go back to importing crappy Anime shows by third parties.
Again, I don't see where Orci said they would be making it (what is derogatorily referred to as) "kiddy".

People here were flipping out screaming that the new series would be made for babies, when nothing in this article indicates such. If anything, given the quality of entertainment this group has produced, it sounds like it'll be on the tone of Beast Wars, and I fail to see how that would be a bad thing.
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby ArmadaPrime » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:42 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:I honestly question if anyone would think so highly of this show if it had been made with the animation, art style, and (English) musical score of the Robots in Disguise cartoon. Imagine it, same writing quality, same acting quality, same story and characters, same everything... except for it being in 2D cel-shaded anime animation and scored by Saban. Would it still be as loved in that case, or would its loss of prettiness shy people away?

In other words, the cake would be the same, but the icing would be vanilla instead of double chocolate fudge with sprinkles and strawberries.


The point is, that a cartoon is about more than just the script and the acting. The show is only going to be as strong as its weakest link, and as such all of it needs to be of top quality. I for one think the 3D animation paid off very well, allowing for both fight scenes and simple conversations to be a lot more expressive, exciting, and natural. Little touches like, say, starscream's mood being reflected by the angles of his wings were what put it just that cut above the rest, in my opinion.
And the score I felt was also perfect. The theme was catchy but also managed to sum up the intensity, the epicness of transformers.
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:11 am

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ArmadaPrime wrote:The point is, that a cartoon is about more than just the script and the acting. The show is only going to be as strong as its weakest link, and as such all of it needs to be of top quality.
True, but those are key factors in the matter. For instance, many decried the look and animation of Animated, but praised its acting and storytelling, which help with over many fans and put the show among their top favorites.

ArmadaPrime wrote:I for one think the 3D animation paid off very well, allowing for both fight scenes and simple conversations to be a lot more expressive, exciting, and natural. Little touches like, say, starscream's mood being reflected by the angles of his wings were what put it just that cut above the rest, in my opinion.
Would hand-drawn animation not also be able to express these little bits as well? They aren't exactly something that can only be done with CG.

ArmadaPrime wrote:And the score I felt was also perfect. The theme was catchy but also managed to sum up the intensity, the epicness of transformers.
And would you still find the show as entertaining if the score was less on the "epic orchestra" side and more on the "action-y heavy metal rock and roll" side?
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

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Sabrblade wrote:True, but those are key factors in the matter.

Can't disagree there, though I still maintain that for a show to be good all elements have to be present. If it was just good acting and storytelling, it might as well e an audiobook or something similar.

Sabrblade wrote:Would hand-drawn animation not also be able to express these little bits as well? They aren't exactly something that can only be done with CG.

I think it would be entirely possible, but less likely to happen. The 3D CGI just makes it feel a lot more intense, and a lot more real.

Sabrblade wrote:And would you still find the show as entertaining if the score was less on the "epic orchestra" side and more on the "action-y heavy metal rock and roll" side?

Personally probably not quite as much, but that's down to my own tastes-it would still be a great show make no mistake.
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby skyshadowprimus » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:36 pm

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Bouncy X wrote:i don't get this trend lately of having cartoons last 2 or 3 seasons and then end them...only to have a new "version" start up shortly after. whats wrong with cartoons lasting 5 to 10 seasons like any normal show?

like in this case in particular, it was apparently a well performing and obviously well received show so why end it? and when end it so prematurely with a half season and then a movie? why not at least give it a full season like the first two? and this seems to have happened to all the Transformers show that have come since G1.



The goal of any TV series is 65 episodes for syndication, so the show can be shopped around to additional networks that want to air it. Now that Prime has hit that milestone, Hasbro could continue but no longer needs to do so. While they might make money off additional seasons, they'll make more money if they have two shows that both make it to syndication they can then shop around. If the shows are thematically connected, they have an additional selling point, and an interested network could pick up both.

Win-win-win for Hasbro that way, rather than just one solitary win. ;)


I'm interested in what Orci's planning and eagerly await more info. Assuming they're continuing from Prime, I still see a lot of potential plot to work with.



In addition to this the core target audience is children whose tastes change as they grow up. Think about yourself as an 8 year old compared to a 13 year old. Your tastes are totally different and you might not really follow a kids tv show and want to buy toys to play with beyond a certain window.

Any new viewers reaching the right age where they can jump on the show might not like the fact there is a whole backstory spanning several years to catch up on.

While this sucks for adults who enjoy the show we are sadly not who the show is marketed for
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

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Sabrblade wrote:Would hand-drawn animation not also be able to express these little bits as well? They aren't exactly something that can only be done with CG.

I think it would be entirely possible, but less likely to happen. The 3D CGI just makes it feel a lot more intense, and a lot more real.
Energon, RobotMasters, Cybertron, and Go! also feature CGI Autobots and Decepticons, yet they are almost completely incapable of displaying any kind of emotional/behavioral expression whatsoever, with this instance being one of the sole exceptions of all four shows outside of any super-deformed gag moments.

Conversely, Animated had no CGI whatsoever and its cast was extremely emotive and expressive, showing an enormous amount of behavioral quirks and emotions.

It's not the medium of the animation that matters, but the directorial decisions put into it. The CGI of Prime (and Beast Wars and Beast Machines) was so expressive because it had such a strong directorial staff, whereas the CGI of the four other series I mentioned did not have as strong a directorial staff (or at least had directors with completely different creative visions from those of Prime that they didn't feel the need to let the CGI be as expressive).
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:01 pm

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Bouncy X wrote:i don't get this trend lately of having cartoons last 2 or 3 seasons and then end them...only to have a new "version" start up shortly after. whats wrong with cartoons lasting 5 to 10 seasons like any normal show?

like in this case in particular, it was apparently a well performing and obviously well received show so why end it? and when end it so prematurely with a half season and then a movie? why not at least give it a full season like the first two? and this seems to have happened to all the Transformers show that have come since G1.



The goal of any TV series is 65 episodes for syndication, so the show can be shopped around to additional networks that want to air it. Now that Prime has hit that milestone, Hasbro could continue but no longer needs to do so. While they might make money off additional seasons, they'll make more money if they have two shows that both make it to syndication they can then shop around. If the shows are thematically connected, they have an additional selling point, and an interested network could pick up both.

Win-win-win for Hasbro that way, rather than just one solitary win. ;)


I'm interested in what Orci's planning and eagerly await more info. Assuming they're continuing from Prime, I still see a lot of potential plot to work with.



In addition to this the core target audience is children whose tastes change as they grow up. Think about yourself as an 8 year old compared to a 13 year old. Your tastes are totally different and you might not really follow a kids tv show and want to buy toys to play with beyond a certain window.

Any new viewers reaching the right age where they can jump on the show might not like the fact there is a whole backstory spanning several years to catch up on.

While this sucks for adults who enjoy the show we are sadly not who the show is marketed for

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Postby njb902 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:26 pm

All of which were comics before being turned into shows. Not that any of that has anything to do with your argument, just kinda putting it out there.
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:38 pm

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njb902 wrote:All of which were comics before being turned into shows. Not that any of that has anything to do with your argument, just kinda putting it out there.
Transformers was a comic series in the months before its original cartoon came out.

Though, for TMNT, its original cartoon barely resembled its original comics, as most of the cartoon was completely original material rather than material adapted from the comics.
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby GodMagnus » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:37 am

In other words, they're going to do the same thing Marvel did when they canceled Spectacular Spider-Man and Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Ultimate Spider-Man isn't horrible, but it sure isn't on the level of it's predecessor. And Avengers Assemble isn't that bad either, but still not on the same level of the previous show. The intensity has been dialed way way back and so far they're pretty successful.
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:50 am

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GodMagnus wrote:In other words, they're going to do the same thing Marvel did when they canceled Spectacular Spider-Man and Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Ultimate Spider-Man isn't horrible, but it sure isn't on the level of it's predecessor. And Avengers Assemble isn't that bad either, but still not on the same level of the previous show. The intensity has been dialed way way back and so far they're pretty successful.
Prime was at a much higher level than Spectacular Spider-Man and Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes were.

Spectacular Spider-Man felt like it was on par with Animated (cartoony art style with awesome storytelling).
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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby Metrosuplex » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:37 pm

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Metrosuplex wrote:The new cartoon will aim to capture kids like TMNT has, and I , quite frankly, hope it fails.
Baka! If the new TF cartoon is as any bit as good as the current TMNT cartoon, that would frankly be a godsend to the TF brand. That TMNT cartoon is so good it's universally beloved by Turtles fans of all ages.

1) You're quoting me out of context. Shame.
2) Simple Japanese insults? Really? So you think it's okay to insult people in Japanese? :roll: Cabron? :lol:
3)Kids are as fickle as the f*cking moon. If you want to capture kids, make a tablet game... OH WAIT! HASBRO IS BUYING APP GAME COMPANIES! HOLY SH*T! Seriously, my comment should be read like this: the adult fans have stuck with the franchise and spent more money than the kids. The kids outnumber adults, but the kids do not buy the toys... the adults do. Adult parents who know the brand and have stuck with it (or are returning to it, "for their kids' sake"). And I've said this before: kids like adult things. That's why they play Call of Duty, despite the graphic intensity and language. I.e. you can sell things to adults and still entertain kids, whereas you do NOT see many adults buying kid things (i.e. do you play Pokemon, almost 20 years later? :roll: And if you do, are you as impressed as when you were 9?).


Sabrblade wrote:
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Kids are their real customers.

I expected you to say something a little better than that! :roll:

Why do you say kids are the real customer? Is it because Hasbro told you? :roll:
Always have been, always will be. That's just the way it is.

The adult customers just make up a fraction of their consumer market. The majority is made up of either kids or parents buying for their kids.

The parents who are buying are old customers - i.e. the buying chain goes through the old fans almost any way you look at it. Parents are comfortable with brands they recognize, and TF is clearly banking on some of that nostalgia, as so many other companies are. Hasbro is really quick to deny the adult fanbase size, but they're also suspiciously fixated on kids, and their choice of selling ALL BB AND OPTIMUS does not give one much confidence that they have ANY IDEA about actual marketing/sales figures. In other words, Hasbro is incompetent for having so much unsold crap on shelves, and then putting the same crap up and expecting different results - you can't really trust them to know much about their customers, IMO. :HEADHURTS:

Sabrblade wrote:For me, it's not because they weren't the stars, it's that they simply were not interesting for the most part. In Animated, both were very fascinating characters full of so much life and energy, but they weren't the stars either. It was a group effort of Optimus, Bumblebee, Bulkhead, Ratchet, Prowl, and Sari who were all stars equally.

I enjoy Prime so much that I don't notice these things. What growth did the characters in BW have, for example? That was an insane roller coaster of characters who didn't change much at all (if at all). How about G1? Did BB get wiser by the end? The only characters that grew were Rodimus (and this was out of a stupid need to replace Optimus with... Hot Rod Optimus - a new sculpt, same personality) and the human characters... sort of.

Anyway, I think some better examples would be nice, as all of these statements of character development seem kind of... personal and subjective. Maybe you guys would be better off expressing HOW you wanted these characters to change in Prime.

One other side note: the characters in Prime are portrayed as older and war-battered. They're the last survivors, and we get some back-story with some (i.e. young Arcee was a little different with Tailgate versus Cliffjumper versus Jack). The fact that you don't see phenomenal "growth" is kind of a sign of their age and seen-it-all experience. Plus, the "growth" is really aimed more at their relationship with humans (and each other). So they DO grow as characters, in that their relationships develop and strengthen over the course of the show... all of this is GOOD writing, so I don't understand why you guys are hung up on it.

But yeah, BB and Grandpa/Optimus are written like crap. :BANG_HEAD:

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Megatron Wolf wrote:son of a bitch, the hope of finally getting a good TF series has been shot down yet again. Well lets just hope Prime gets a personality this time around and the kids arent annoying. Oh & for the love of god lose the bayformer look. But on another note why do we need a kid friendly transformers, isnt that rescue bots job?
Silly Wolf, TFs are for kids. :P
HAHAHAHAH! Nice. They should throw some Trix into the show, just to remind us! Maybe a rabbit-robo to taunt the collectors, too! HAHAHA!

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*sigh*

It's threads like this that seriously make me wish that Transformers: Prime never existed.


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Re: Roberto Orci Talks About the Next Transformers Cartoon

Postby Cyber Bishop » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:26 am

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Metrosuplex wrote:And I've said this before: kids like adult things. That's why they play Call of Duty, despite the graphic intensity and language. I.e. you can sell things to adults and still entertain kids, whereas you do NOT see many adults buying kid things (i.e. do you play Pokemon, almost 20 years later? :roll: And if you do, are you as impressed as when you were 9?).



Uh we buy Transformers, Star Wars, Marvel/DC, TMNT, etc.. toys. I know more people that are around my age that buy toys than ever before. Most of the users here are 18+ and we all share a common bond, we all buy and love Transformers toys/items. So I think that says that adults do buy kid things.
And I know quite a few adults that play Pokemon, travel to the regional tournaments and still love the game more now because it has evolved so much through the years.
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