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The only problem, really, is that satire is dead.

Shadowman wrote: it's most likely going to be a satire of modern movies and style.

So it's gotta be either Batman without a cape or The Mech-Situation?

Don't get me wrong, I'm used to it being different now, and I do (and did) get the fact that the original poked fun at the image-craze of the 80s, being bulky and huge, but I still like the older version better. I do understand why they changed it, but I don't have to like it.

Handels-Messerschmitt wrote:The only problem, really, is that satire is dead.

Riiiiiight. Satire, an entire facet of humor, has died. Do you want to back that up or am I to assume you're just making things up?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Shadowman wrote: it's most likely going to be a satire of modern movies and style.

So it's gotta be either Batman without a cape or The Mech-Situation?

If it is going for modern-day satire, then yeah, black suits and armor, and reality TV would be on the chopping block.

Shadowman wrote:Riiiiiight. Satire, an entire facet of humor, has died. Do you want to back that up or am I to assume you're just making things up?

Soldiers watch Apocalypse Now and Full Metal jacket because they contain rockin war scenes that get them pumped up. The Reagan campaign tried to use Springsteen's "Born in the USA". Obama brags about helping destroy the economic stability of the Iranian people in the same ways that killed hundreds of thousands of children in Iraq and is believed to be the lenient, progressive option in today's politics. I could write a more extensive list but this is exhausting to even think about.

Satire is dead because you can't come up with anything that is more awful and clownish than actual current affairs. Whatever you try to do will also be taken and presented at face value by considerable amounts of people.

Handels-Messerschmitt wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Riiiiiight. Satire, an entire facet of humor, has died. Do you want to back that up or am I to assume you're just making things up?

Soldiers watch Apocalypse Now and Full Metal jacket because they contain rockin war scenes that get them pumped up. The Reagan campaign tried to use Springsteen's "Born in the USA". Obama brags about helping destroy the economic stability of the Iranian people in the same ways that killed hundreds of thousands of children in Iraq and is believed to be the lenient, progressive option in today's politics. I could write a more extensive list but this is exhausting to even think about.

Satire is dead because you can't come up with anything that is more awful and clownish than actual current affairs. Whatever you try to do will also be taken and presented at face value by considerable amounts of people.

Then satire has been dead since our ancestors learned to communicate. So if it died at it's own creation did it ever exist?

Handels-Messerschmitt wrote:Satire is dead because you can't come up with anything that is more awful and clownish than actual current affairs. Whatever you try to do will also be taken and presented at face value by considerable amounts of people.

So basically, satire, a form of humor built around sardonic jabs at current events and society, is dead because not everyone will get the joke. By that logic, all humor is dead. I'm going to go ahead and start ignoring you now.

That was only half of what I said. You don't address the depressing pointlessness of satire that can't ridicule because the reality is fully ridiculous from the start. Take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 0OomdFloKI

This is real. It's real! You don't think it is. I don't want to think it is. I want to think that it's a particularly well-done Onion hoax. This is more absurd than comedy. Faced with this, what do you even do? What use is satire now, both as entertainment and as a tactic?

Can we get over this philosophy bullshit and get back to the topic at hand?

Handels-Messerschmitt wrote:That was only half of what I said. You don't address the depressing pointlessness of satire that can't ridicule because the reality is fully ridiculous from the start. Take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 0OomdFloKI

This is real. It's real! You don't think it is. I don't want to think it is. I want to think that it's a particularly well-done Onion hoax. This is more absurd than comedy. Faced with this, what do you even do? What use is satire now, both as entertainment and as a tactic?

...I have no idea what you just said, or how any of this means satire can't be done anymore. Pretty sure the twenty Emmy Awards won between the Daily Show and the Colbert Report would beg to differ.

Shadowman wrote:

Handels-Messerschmitt wrote:That was only half of what I said. You don't address the depressing pointlessness of satire that can't ridicule because the reality is fully ridiculous from the start. Take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 0OomdFloKI

This is real. It's real! You don't think it is. I don't want to think it is. I want to think that it's a particularly well-done Onion hoax. This is more absurd than comedy. Faced with this, what do you even do? What use is satire now, both as entertainment and as a tactic?

...I have no idea what you just said, or how any of this means satire can't be done anymore. Pretty sure the twenty Emmy Awards won between the Daily Show and the Colbert Report would beg to differ.

I think he's saying the world at large is doing a damn good job of satirizing itself. Like that political ad, it's supposed to be in favor of that farmer lady, but all it did was show that the other guy is better educated and more experienced. How do you make fun of that?