Seibertron wrote:I'm only talking about financials like that because we're talking about a business and where a business plans its' locations. If $50 a month is a struggle for someone to attend BotCon, you're probably not the type of customer that a business goes after. They're going where the money is. Fans that struggle to put aside $50 a month for a convention aren't going to make a convention a lot of money. I'm just talking business, nothing personal.
I understand. You're saying Botcon IS an elitist event, open only to those who can afford it!
Look, I don't take it personal - but I'm sure those who are less well off do take such a statement personally. But when you think about it, Botcon is wrong to have that attitude: Hasbro sells toys to children and low-income families. This is the only way to explain why they don't just jump the prices and keep the toys the same as 20 years ago (quality-wise). But the reality is that Transformers is a brand for ALL INCOME LEVELS. Sadly, and I agree with what you said, Botcon is not.
Seibertron wrote:I continue to make it happen and do whatever I have to do to make sure that I am there year after year so that I can provide the coverage we have on Seibertron.com for all of you. I have missed family obligations, friends weddings, my own daughter's 3rd birthday so that I am there each and every year because I have to be there now. We don't plan family trips or vacations in advance like most people because I have to know when and where BotCon is every year so that I can attend (this is a big part of why I'd like to see BotCon settle down so that I can enjoy a more normal family life instead of having one event that is integral to my business being a moving target). Yes, that is selfish on my behalf, but I look at BotCon attendance levels and I can't help but think that they would benefit greatly by picking a spot and time of year and always have it at that date and location. I have made plenty of sacrifices to be at BotCon, more than I care to share, because I am very dedicated to Seibertron.com and to all of you.
All of us appreciate your sacrifices for this site, and if I may say, this is one of the best-looking fan sites I've seen. Big kudos.
But by that same token, I'm sure you appreciate all the page hits and affiliate links your members use, and I do hope it's some small consolation for said sacrifice.
It's your job to cover these things for the site... I'm not sure why you want to make that so painfully obvious, because all of us do understand that you put forth the effort to make the event coverage possible, the galleries, the forum, etc.
Seibertron wrote:I really feel that it was a mistake to make BotCon a "traveling circus". It would be more beneficial to just pick a place so that people can plan accordingly each year instead of moving the event around. BotCon attendance levels aren't anything special. How does this brand have 3 major live action movies that grossed over $2.6 billion dollars since 2007 and has massive fan support only pull in approximately 5,000 to 8,000 people per year at BotCon?
Most "fans" are just casual movie audiences and kids looking for the next big Summer movie. Why waste effort catering to the casuals? Nintendo certainly isn't making a great point of that, considering how its Wii-U sales are incredibly disappointing - it's success with the Wii was noteworthy as a fad, not as a long-term business model. I just don't think most TF movie fans ACTUALLY care about TFs. I mean, they care like they care about what they had for lunch - consume and forget.
Ergo, would it be so bad to consider the die-hard fans a little more? To maybe stage the show in some moving venues, like a circus who is struggling to grab audiences? From everything you said, the show SHOULD go on the road, just because the numbers are so low. But, I suppose, the compromise would be more than one show per year? Given that such a solution would be unlikely, as other people on this thread have mentioned, it might benefit the con to take the show on the road. I've never had the chance to go, for example, and I wouldn't spend a ton to go to CA and gamble a good time (not when I can do a local convention or something else for much less, and for a longer period). But if I DID get to go, I might enjoy it enough to think the CA trip was worth the trouble. I can't help but think there are more than one or two people out there who think the same: should I go or not? For the love of God, if the event could be more convenient for the rest of the country, you might see more unique visitors than the same group of 5,000-8,000 in CA.
Seibertron wrote:Something isn't right about these numbers ... they need to reign it in, keep it in one location, promote the heck out of it.
Or take the circus on the road, maybe?
Seibertron wrote:If you guys really want to be at BotCon, you'll find a way. To those of you who just want to complain that it's not in your backyard so you're not going, I don't know what to say other than you should try to find a way to make it at least once very 5 years, especially for the big years like 2014. It's a special event and I'd love to see as many of you there as possible.
I dunno... some of us aren't MARRIED to TFs.
"You'll find a way" is best reserved for meeting a loved one who's halfway around the world on business or military. "You'll find a way" sounds like Billy Madison trying to save his Grandma's home. I think the motto should be, "it's right around the corner, and just a skip away from home! Come on out! Even if you don't know much about the characters, come by and talk to the best group of fans in the world!"
CA is just too hardcore. It's so far West that you'd fall off the map if you kept going. I love TF's, but I'd rather spend that money on a trip to FL (which is a lot closer). I'm not complaining because I don't want to "find a way"; I'm complaining because this shouldn't be the elitist meet that it's become - this shouldn't be available ONLY to those who can afford it. That's how you kill a franchise: make the benefits apply only to the upper crust. You know better than I do about that: Botcon attendance was mysteriously low, given the high movie turn-out. Well... maybe most people who saw the movies... maybe they don't live in CA. And maybe they don't want to spend thousands to see a convention.
Pure business here (and sorry this got long and run-on-y): Botcon is too expensive to gather a larger audience than it has. So if everyone is happy with the 8,000 attendee cap, for heaven's sake, DO keep it CA. If, however, you sincerely believe that it's NOT the money, that it's an issue of promotion? Well, I think you're an optimist with unrealistic expectations for marketing and advertising. The product won't move at a high price. Period.
EDIT: I just re-read your original assertion, and you make a great point: THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE PLANE TICKET.
See, that doesn't make me feel better, as the entire thing is expensive (tickets, exclusives, hotel, etc.). In fact, I'd venture to say that the CA hotels cost MORE than midwest hotels. Just an educated guess, as I've done some traveling. But more importantly, the price sheet for Botcon is just overwhelming - I may be in the minority to say so, but $400+ for the attendee set is crazy. How the hell are you going to attract casual fans with prices like that????
The 5,000-8,000 attendees have found a way to make it to Botcon, and they have sacrificed much (I'm certain)... I feel very sorry that the rest of us, and even casual fans, have no chance of making it!
(I guess, to be clear, I should say that I veer toward CASUAL more than HARDCORE. I couldn't name every episode, comic, or character, but I could find a casual group of people to go to the con with me. It's sad to see how hardcore these cons can be - nerd-con versus everyone-con