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I have wondered about my fellow seibertronians and their response to the film over these three movies. They have hated and criticized Mbay for a lot and even go so far as to make threats to the man. Now let me say that this man made our dreams a reality for what it is worth. Cars and trucks that transform into live robotic beings. Who of us really knew what we were in for. Remember the first time Optimus transformed and spoke. To me that was my favorite scene in the entire series. It really became real then for me.

The sheer scale of these machines were really put on display in these films. I am not sure that there were some of us that really understood the gravity of the sheer size until we saw compared to one of us in real life. This is not the 80's. The children do not see vehicles that look like the old optimus much anymore, they don't see people walking around with handguns that look like Megs, F-16's are now F-22's to kids. I love G1 with my whole heart since I was born in 1980. My first transformer was G1 Megatron.

I really enjoyed how they reimagined this series for all audiences. We have more fans than we ever did because of these films. Until these films I never seen so many female fans in my life that genuinely love the characters. Bay made this war... a war. In until the 1986 film you couldn't get Autobots and Decepticons to even shoot straight at each other all the time. These suckers were killing each other. Even good guys had to get ugly with it, Autobots were brutal. They talked less and killed more. Did not see that happening. Bumblebee got a massive upgrade, I am not sure that a fan that saw our Bumblebee that we grew up with could believe that the new one was based on him.

The Transformers became real and we got to really see Autobots on our roads and all of that. There were always vehicles that were models of the 80's toys on the roads, but these were real except for being able to transform. So say what you will about Michael Bay, and the writing but like in my previous post there are a lot of things to appreciate about what MBay and Spiels did. I think they did a good job! It could be done better in spots and maybe someone will but for now we lived long enough to see a childhood toy, cartoon, comic book come as close to real life as ever. They were always real to me!!!!

Yes, Micheal Bay is an absolute badass for creating a set of movies for the '2000s generation' that has brought in uber amounts of money to the franchise and has made all sorts of good G1 stuff happen in the background. For that, i would like to dry hump his leg. The man has revitalized the franchise and opened the doors with opportunities for us older G1 fans, inadvertently. He is a master, like no other.

-BUT- (Please do not read past this point if you are a bayformer fan)

I hate the man for how crappy the movies were and believe me, they could have been done without the 80s "camp" that you are describing up there and still 'smoked' MB's crapfest. The art style is about a 50/50 for me. I like it some days and others i absolutely hate it. I think the art style could have been easily forgiven if he would have created an epic story telling adventure here, that made sense. But he sold a "Transformers meets Bad Boys meets Pearl Harbor" and for that, i hope he "diaf", even tho im not mean enough to light the match. But ya know what really jumps in my god damn jimmies and just **** launches me into a near frenzy of hatred that i can't bear to unleash on any nearby bayformer fan? Is that all these **** morons, like Spielberg keep saying what a great sotryteller Micheal Bay is. This guy couldn't tell a story if his life depended on it and here he is, shittin up my god damn hobby with his piss poor skill at makin movies.

I love what Bay did with the series. It's not the same as the Transformers I grew up with, but that's OK. It's cool in its own way. The second movie was a bit incomprehensible, but the first and third are are fine. Could a Transformers movie be made that deals with important issues and has a deep plot with great acting? Probably. It could have been District 9 with Transformers instead of prawn. But the world needs lighthearted fun too, so I'm perfectly OK with what we got.

Respectfully, the Transformers were going to come to life as soon as it was decided that a live action TF film would be made.It doesn't matter who the director would have been, their coming to life for us was a fact set in stone as soon as the decision was made-and it was a decision that would inevitably have been made.Look at the ones who didn't come to life, tho.Look at the ones who were erased from existence, or worse,brought to life and then defaced.Anywhere else, Michael Bay could have been fired for either incapability to use the subject matter properly or refusal to cooperate.Would you hire someone who spits on your product and laughs at your customers to run your show?

Michael Bay brought things into the storyline that we may have never considered anything other than sacrilege, with a good result.For example, Wheelie, who was an embarassment and the cringe factor of the original 86 movie, got a total revamp for the better.Others, such as Soundwave and Megatron HAD to get revamps, once again regardless of the director.It was simply agreed that the size difference between modes had to be addressed.Even we felt that way.

But Bay contributed at what cost? Ignore the Transformation of Bumblebee into Silver/Bluestreak and Trailbreaker into Ironhide,Brawl into Devastator,Sideswipe into Mirage and then Dino,Frenzy into Soundwave and so on.Where are Skywarp and Thundercracker? Ignore the multiple living dead Decepticons and dead once, gone forever Autobots.Why is Starscream a Dorito?Furthermore, why was he allowed to be a Dorito? How could someone making a childrens movie allow Marijuana to be taken by the main characters Mother?
Bay decided to get petty and take pot shots at Megan Fox now in this latest film.Excuse me? Why should he be allowed to do that? It's not HIS film to use that way or any other way.He was HIRED to do something for someone else that he both can't and doesn't want to do.

Contributions aside,he is NOT the man for this job.I will always love these 3 films and I'm grateful for the absolutely brilliant call center joke in the first movie and Sideswipes wheel feet, which Bay says are his ideas and which I applaud, but it's appropriate that he leave now and that TFs stay. They have yet to be represented as THE cult storyline and brilliant TechSpecs from the 80s.As such, they have only been brought to life for us one dimensionally.

G1 Smoketreader wrote: How could someone making a childrens movie allow Marijuana to be taken by the main characters Mother?

To be honest, that scene made pot a LOT less appealing.

G1 Smoketreader wrote: How could someone making a childrens movie allow Marijuana to be taken by the main characters Mother?

Because Transformers being for children is a limit you arbitrarily impose on it.

Capt.Failure wrote:

G1 Smoketreader wrote: How could someone making a childrens movie allow Marijuana to be taken by the main characters Mother?

Because Transformers being for children is a limit you arbitrarily impose on it.

So you arbitrate that kids should be taught hash cookies are funny, and now you're correct and I should feel ashamed of myself. Do you have children?

G1 Smoketreader wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

G1 Smoketreader wrote: How could someone making a childrens movie allow Marijuana to be taken by the main characters Mother?

Because Transformers being for children is a limit you arbitrarily impose on it.

So you arbitrate that kids should be taught hash cookies are funny, and now you're correct and I should feel ashamed of myself. Do you have children?

My having children or not is of no consequence to the subject at hand, and that you choose to ignorantly misinterpret my statement speaks volumes. If parents choose to take their kids to a PG-13 movie then they should accept that their kids may see things they don't want them to. It is not on Hasbro or Michael Bay's shoulders to prevent that. A good parent would realise this.

People who think kids are going to think that the pot brownies are confusing..... Gee, I'm pretty sure it was a joke that went clear over the kids heads. If you ever watched the G1 series, you actually had Transformers getting drunk off of energon, and having a good ole time doing it. But it's OK for G1 to have drunk Transformers, but not Ok for the live action film to have a tippy mom. Whatever.

Iamwarhorse wrote:People who think kids are going to think that the pot brownies are confusing..... Gee, I'm pretty sure it was a joke that went clear over the kids heads. If you ever watched the G1 series, you actually had Transformers getting drunk off of energon, and having a good ole time doing it. But it's OK for G1 to have drunk Transformers, but not Ok for the live action film to have a tippy mom. Whatever.

Alcohol = legal
Pot = Illegal