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karellan wrote:I love what Bay did with the series. It's not the same as the Transformers I grew up with, but that's OK. It's cool in its own way. The second movie was a bit incomprehensible, but the first and third are are fine. Could a Transformers movie be made that deals with important issues and has a deep plot with great acting? Probably. It could have been District 9 with Transformers instead of prawn. But the world needs lighthearted fun too, so I'm perfectly OK with what we got.

G1 Smoketreader wrote:Respectfully, the Transformers were going to come to life as soon as it was decided that a live action TF film would be made.It doesn't matter who the director would have been, their coming to life for us was a fact set in stone as soon as the decision was made-and it was a decision that would inevitably have been made.Look at the ones who didn't come to life, tho.Look at the ones who were erased from existence, or worse,brought to life and then defaced.Anywhere else, Michael Bay could have been fired for either incapability to use the subject matter properly or refusal to cooperate.Would you hire someone who spits on your product and laughs at your customers to run your show?

Michael Bay brought things into the storyline that we may have never considered anything other than sacrilege, with a good result.For example, Wheelie, who was an embarassment and the cringe factor of the original 86 movie, got a total revamp for the better.Others, such as Soundwave and Megatron HAD to get revamps, once again regardless of the director.It was simply agreed that the size difference between modes had to be addressed.Even we felt that way.

But Bay contributed at what cost? Ignore the Transformation of Bumblebee into Silver/Bluestreak and Trailbreaker into Ironhide,Brawl into Devastator,Sideswipe into Mirage and then Dino,Frenzy into Soundwave and so on.Where are Skywarp and Thundercracker? Ignore the multiple living dead Decepticons and dead once, gone forever Autobots.Why is Starscream a Dorito?Furthermore, why was he allowed to be a Dorito? How could someone making a childrens movie allow Marijuana to be taken by the main characters Mother?
Bay decided to get petty and take pot shots at Megan Fox now in this latest film.Excuse me? Why should he be allowed to do that? It's not HIS film to use that way or any other way.He was HIRED to do something for someone else that he both can't and doesn't want to do.

Contributions aside,he is NOT the man for this job.I will always love these 3 films and I'm grateful for the absolutely brilliant call center joke in the first movie and Sideswipes wheel feet, which Bay says are his ideas and which I applaud, but it's appropriate that he leave now and that TFs stay. They have yet to be represented as THE cult storyline and brilliant TechSpecs from the 80s.As such, they have only been brought to life for us one dimensionally.

Capt.Failure wrote:

G1 Smoketreader wrote: How could someone making a childrens movie allow Marijuana to be taken by the main characters Mother?

Because Transformers being for children is a limit you arbitrarily impose on it.

shamone wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

G1 Smoketreader wrote: How could someone making a childrens movie allow Marijuana to be taken by the main characters Mother?

Because Transformers being for children is a limit you arbitrarily impose on it.

yes imagine arbitrarily imposing that mantle on a movie based on a toyline, based on a cartoon, based on a toyline, based on a cartoon, based on a toyline for children

and then a movie that is marketed towards children, how dare you suggest that its a movie for children.

It may not be exclusively for children, but it is their target market.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

shamone wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

G1 Smoketreader wrote: How could someone making a childrens movie allow Marijuana to be taken by the main characters Mother?

Because Transformers being for children is a limit you arbitrarily impose on it.

yes imagine arbitrarily imposing that mantle on a movie based on a toyline, based on a cartoon, based on a toyline, based on a cartoon, based on a toyline for children

and then a movie that is marketed towards children, how dare you suggest that its a movie for children.

It may not be exclusively for children, but it is their target market.

Robocop, Aliens, and Terminator all had toylines and those were certainly not kid movies. The Transformers movies are marketed for general audiences, not a specific age group. That's why we have a rating system, so people will know beforehand what kind of content a movie has.

RhA wrote:

G1 Smoketreader wrote: How could someone making a childrens movie allow Marijuana to be taken by the main characters Mother?

To be honest, that scene made pot a LOT less appealing.

Chaoslock wrote:

Iamwarhorse wrote:People who think kids are going to think that the pot brownies are confusing..... Gee, I'm pretty sure it was a joke that went clear over the kids heads. If you ever watched the G1 series, you actually had Transformers getting drunk off of energon, and having a good ole time doing it. But it's OK for G1 to have drunk Transformers, but not Ok for the live action film to have a tippy mom. Whatever.

Alcohol = legal
Pot = Illegal

Iamwarhorse wrote:And it should be the reverse. Pot is illegal because of the dumb ass politicians. The fact that we had the DADT policy for so long speaks volumes about the United States corrupted law views.

Iamwarhorse wrote:With that said, like others here, a movie can be of adult material and still be marketed at kids. Terminator, Robocop, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Predator, Aliens and the such are just a few examples. How many of us kids remember watching the Friday the 13th and Freddy films, and we all turned out alright despite the gruesome violence and OTT themes?

People slam Michael Bay for totally ruining their dreams of real-life TFs but who pays attention to critics? I know people who are so critical about every stinking detail that I can't stand being around them. You can't please critics because there is no pleasing them.