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Hmm, this is going side to side a lot and not going forwards.

How about, initially:

*I* (WarPorn Industries) will run the first sign-up scalp-hunt game for every potential hunter, regardless of faction, to earn the first licences. To win it you only need to collect a team that has also signed-up. I will then issue 'Licences' to those who successfully collect a complete team in that 2 weeks.


I will then set the 'base' contract rules, such as 5k per bot as the 'price of a life' and 2 week as the maximum duration but emphasise that everything is negotiable on a Contract to Contract basis. I will also explain how public and private Contracts work.


I will begin a thread in GD for you guys to use and to contact me that I will follow answering questions and joining in where I can, after that, where possible, the structure is up to you. Guild up or stay independent; RP or chatter to your hearts content, but it will be up to you to attract more business, all I will do is news the occasional big name contract and keep you guys publicised and popular, adding my own Contracts whenever I need to. (As Grimpoo knows, I'm not adverse to offering contracts on my own side's teams either )


Updated, the rule's stand at:

Terminology:
Hunter - licensed member of the hunters guild
Hack - unlicensed hunter also attempting to collect bounties
Client - requester of the hit and payer of the bounty.
Contract - contract between Hunter and Client
Bounty - reward, paid in energon, for a completed contract.
Mark - target bot/team of bots
Huntmaster - co-ordinator of the thread

Suggested Rules:
- Contract's can be made publicly in the Hunters thread, or can be made in private via PM to the Huntsmaster who will publicise the Mark but not the Client.
- The Mark can be from any of the 4 factions, including that of the client (tbc)
- Maximum duration for any hunt is negotiable by contract, default is 2 weeks.
- Bounty is negotiable by contract, default set at 5,000 per level of Mark per target.
- ALL payment's will be made through a staff member.

Completion of Contract
- Negotiable between Hunter and Client.

Issuing New Hunters Licences
- Trainee hunters must pass the entrance exam of collecting an existing hunter's complete team to earn a hunting licence.
- Successfully beating an existing licensed hunter to a Bounty qualifies for a licence.

Burn wrote:a set fee might deter them from joining in.

This may sound a little harsh and may be the 'con in me speaking, but if they cant afford a bounty they either negotiate or play harder until they DO have enough €.

Psychout wrote:

Burn wrote:a set fee might deter them from joining in.

This may sound a little harsh and may be the 'con in me speaking, but if they cant afford a bounty they either negotiate or play harder until they DO have enough €.

So basically, unless you're a hardcore player putting in more than 10 hours a day 5 days a week and have plenty of energon, you can't play bounty hunting?
(hours and days are just rough figures)

Like i've been saying, you either make this a elitist club, or you build it so the majority of the community can participate in.

Frankly I think this is all becoming a little bit too far in depth. We all need to step back and remember that this isn't some hugely popular RPG, but rather a simple web based game with a small member base. Need me to come over there and K.I.S.S. you Psychout?

I agree with Burn, I think that the set price as is, is a little high. I think that it should 12,000 per team and 1,000 per head if there is to be a set fee, maybe 18,000 per team and 1,500 per head for licensed hunters.

Burn wrote:So basically, unless you're a hardcore player putting in more than 10 hours a day 5 days a week and have plenty of energon, you can't play bounty hunting?

*facepalm*

Its the client who pays the bounty. The hunters don't pay anything, they earn it. If the client cant afford the bounty, then they save up and do it when they can. Its not meant to be 'cheap'.
(That's the negotiation bit...)

Ill simplify it.

1) Guidelines get set to give the rest of the game example Contracts.
2) Contract is made in the thread or via PM.
3) Hunters kill Mark.
4) ???
5) Profit.

I've even offered to do the admin myself.

Just because I used more than 10 words does not mean its complicated, so instead of taking the piss, make better suggestions like i've been asking for the last 2 pages.

Okay, I'll throw something out there -

There should probably be a 'recommended fee', more to deter this from becomming to exclusive. But since the point is to make it more affordable to the financially burdened players, the recommended fee should start lower IMO. I was thinking:

Lvl 0 = 500E
Lvl 1 = 1,000E
Lvl 2 = 2,000E
Lvl 3 = 3,000E
...
Lvl 11 = 11,000E

Obviously, the fee needs to be low enough to encourage players to post bounties, and high enough to offset the potential costs to any single bounty hunter that takes risks to target a given character. As such, perhaps the $$$ needs to vary not just by level, but by 'risk'. Bounties on Decepticons, since they typically have a numerical advantage in missions, should be set higher, for example.

Psychout wrote:Its the client who pays the bounty.

I'm well aware of how a bounty system works.

My point IS simple. A client should be able to make the bounty any figure they choose. Be it 10 or 10,000 per bot.

Caelus wrote:There should probably be a 'recommended fee', more to deter this from becomming to exclusive. But since the point is to make it more affordable to the financially burdened players, the recommended fee should start lower IMO. I was thinking:

That works. And given that it's "recommended" people can still offer more or less.

It works to those who still want to do the negotiating thing and those who just want people killed quickly.

As such, perhaps the $$$ needs to vary not just by level, but by 'risk'. Bounties on Decepticons, since they typically have a numerical advantage in missions, should be set higher, for example.

You need to go back to staying up late dude, 'Cons DO get outnumbered these days, albeit only for a few hours but it does happen.

-edit-

Just going to throw this idea out there for people to consider.

What if after the two weeks (or whatever time frame we end up deciding on to complete a bounty) and the bounty isn't fulfilled, the bounty (or a % of it) then goes towards the targetted.

It'd just add that extra little element of risk.

One problem I forsee is an inactive player, this is where whoever's running things will have to monitor a target's activity to ensure they meet a set active criteria. If they're not overly active then they don't get the bounty, whereas if they're active at least a few times each day, then they're giving people a chance to kill them and if the bounty fails, they then get the bounty themselves (or a %)

Burn wrote:Well personally i'd be in it for the kills prestige!

If...*smacks lips* you do something...well. *noticeably licks lips* Never do it. For free.

Lord Gothika wrote:I agree with Burn, I think that the set price as is, is a little high. I think that it should 12,000 per team and 1,000 per head if there is to be a set fee, maybe 18,000 per team and 1,500 per head for licensed hunters.

This works for me for the minimum bounty. In fact after I had thought about it for awhile, I realized that 5 grand would probably be too much for the lower levels (once the game continues long enough to where not everyone's roughly the same level) to be able to participate in.

Burn wrote:

Psychout wrote:Its the client who pays the bounty.

I'm well aware of how a bounty system works.

My point IS simple. A client should be able to make the bounty any figure they choose. Be it 10 or 10,000 per bot.

Yeah here's the thing... While it's well and good for the client to set the bounty to what he wants, I'm sure I'm not the only one that's not going to be doing this out of the evilness of my heart. I'm a War Mongering Profiteer! A 10 Energon bounty is just enough for me to shoot the target once, and that's about it. I think that while the clients should be able to set the price I'd like a minimum (with no maximum) buy in for it.

Because Assassinations and Bounty Hunting isn't a charity organization. Perhaps one day UNICEF will get into the Gun for Hire business but until then it's just us Mercenaries, Assassins, and Cutthroats. And to be honest if an offer is too low it's going to be ignored. I don't know how to not make that sound "elitist" or stuck up, but if the offer isn't worth my time and effort it isn't. Although if I manage to stumble onto the target in a mission and score the kill I may or may not collect the bounty (although I'll definitely be claiming the kill.) And if the target is someone worthy of my attention without a monetary compensation then I could be persuaded to do discounts or such.

Merc With A Mouth wrote:Yeah here's the thing... While it's well and good for the client to set the bounty to what he wants, I'm sure I'm not the only one that's not going to be doing this out of the evilness of my heart. I'm a War Mongering Profiteer! A 10 Energon bounty is just enough for me to shoot the target once, and that's about it. I think that while the clients should be able to set the price I'd like a minimum (with no maximum) buy in for it.

But that's you. If you think the bounty isn't worth your time, then don't waste your time hunting it. Simple!

The level spread is quickly growing, we'll have level 3's soon enough. Why would a level 3 waste time hunting a new level 0? They wouldn't.

This is where you need the "cheap" bounties, for new level 0 players to get in on the action while the higher levels can have their more rich bounties.

This is supposed to be background game for the hunters whilst other stuff goes on so those without the energon can earn some, and those with the energon can share it having fun.

I'm failing to understand the point of this argument: If people want to set a cheaper bounty, all they need to do is ask. I've said from the start that its a recommended amount, so why the drama and deleted PM's?

*it dont matter what the base bounty is, people will just offer what they want to anyway!*

Psychout wrote:I'm failing to understand the point of this argument:

It's not an argument, it's a discussion. Some people believe in a set amount, others believe it to be any amount.

Psychout wrote:If people want to set a cheaper bounty, all they need to do is ask.
...
I've said from the start that its a recommended amount

- Bounty is negotiable by contract, default set at 5,000 per level of Mark per target.

If the client cant afford the bounty, then they save up and do it when they can. Its not meant to be 'cheap'.
(That's the negotiation bit...)

So what IS the deal? Is there a default? Are people suppose to save up? Or is there no default and people can set any amount they like?

I mean it is a little confusing on what you're trying to say here.

so why the drama and deleted PM's?

No drama whatsoever. It's a simple discussion as we hammer this out. Perhaps you're reading into things a little too much?

Burn wrote:My point IS simple. A client should be able to make the bounty any figure they choose. Be it 10 or 10,000 per bot.

Psychout, multiple times, wrote:Negotiable.

Negotiable means the Client can set their own rate if the hunter wishes to accept it.
Default means if no specific amount is negotiated then X would be the assumed bounty.


Now, everybody suggest something for X and ill pick the mean so we can move on...

Lord Gothika wrote:12,000 per team and 1,000 per head if there is to be a set fee, maybe 18,000 per team and 1,500 per head for licensed hunters.

Caelus wrote:Okay, I'll throw something out there -

There should probably be a 'recommended fee', more to deter this from becomming to exclusive. But since the point is to make it more affordable to the financially burdened players, the recommended fee should start lower IMO. I was thinking:

Lvl 0 = 500E
Lvl 1 = 1,000E
Lvl 2 = 2,000E
Lvl 3 = 3,000E
...
Lvl 11 = 11,000E

Obviously, the fee needs to be low enough to encourage players to post bounties, and high enough to offset the potential costs to any single bounty hunter that takes risks to target a given character. As such, perhaps the $$$ needs to vary not just by level, but by 'risk'. Bounties on Decepticons, since they typically have a numerical advantage in missions, should be set higher, for example.

"Recommended" sounds so much better than "default".

-edit-

Something I just whipped up which a)- Will more than likely need to be modified before going live and b)- Properly formatted.

APPLICATION TO PLACE A BOUNTY

Applicant Name :
• Do you wish your name to be disclosed? [ ] Yes [ ] No
• Do you wish this bounty to be disclosed publicly? [ ] Yes [ ] No
(Public disclosure will alert your target that a bounty has been placed upon them)

Name of intended target :
• Do you wish to place this bounty on the entire team? [ ] Yes [ ] No
• If no, please list the names of the individual bots you wish the bounty to be placed on.
(Please also provide links to targetted team/bots)

Do you wish this to be a public or privately listed bounty? [ ] Yes [ ] No
• If privately listed, please provide the name(s) of the bounty hunter whose services you wish to engage.
(Please note that a publicly listed bounty means any bounty hunter may accept the contract)

State the time period you want this bounty to be open for:
(By default a bounty will remain open for two weeks, if not claimed by then it will be automatically closed)

Value of Bounty:
(Please state again whether it's for a team or individual bot(s) or both)
(It's also advised that you read the guidelines regarding costing of bounties)

Burn wrote:

APPLICATION TO PLACE A BOUNTY

Applicant Name :
• Do you wish your name to be disclosed? [ ] Yes [ ] No
• Do you wish this bounty to be disclosed publicly? [ ] Yes [ ] No
(Public disclosure will alert your target that a bounty has been placed upon them)

Name of intended target :
• Do you wish to place this bounty on the entire team? [ ] Yes [ ] No
• If no, please list the names of the individual bots you wish the bounty to be placed on.
(Please also provide links to targetted team/bots)

Do you wish this to be a public or privately listed bounty? [ ] Yes [ ] No
• If privately listed, please provide the name(s) of the bounty hunter whose services you wish to engage.
(Please note that a publicly listed bounty means any bounty hunter may accept the contract)

State the time period you want this bounty to be open for:
(By default a bounty will remain open for two weeks, if not claimed by then it will be automatically closed)

Value of Bounty:
(Please state again whether it's for a team or individual bot(s) or both)
(It's also advised that you read the guidelines regarding costing of bounties)

This is exactly what I was looking, for and is 101% awesome. Cheers.

Well i'd say only 70% awesome. It looked formatted so much better in notepad for starters.

Plus i'm sure we could squeeze in a couple of more questions if necessary.
(Maybe for shits and giggles throw in a random question like "How many rolls of toilet paper do you use in a week?" just to see who's silly enough to answer)

Personally, half a roll. The flat? About 12.

One slight modification to Burn's app. Where he has listed if it is private or public, the yes\no should be replaced with private\public unless that was taken care of in the previous questions.

In my defense, it was definitely past my normal bed time.
Felt good to stay up past midnight for once though. He says after getting dug out of bed after 5 hours sleep.

That application in my opinion seems to be perfect. The random odd question(s) would be funny to see who actually replied.

If you're still wanting input on the "suggested" price of a head, what about 1k per level of the targeted bot(s)? So that if you wanted a level 2 and 4 taken out, "suggested" cost total would be 6 grand.

I've said multiple times that while I'd like to push for a minimum fee, I would consider lower offers if they pleaded their case and it was worthy of it. For example: "So and so scored more points then me can I have a discount pl0x?" Pass. "Man this user's a prick can I get a discount?" Elaborate pl0x? "Oh well the guy made a sexist remark and I laughed. Then my old lady looked at the screen. She hasn't gave me any since. And I had to go shoe shopping with her to smooth it over. And my mother in law's coming for a week." Dude... that mother **** has to pay. Whatever you got is good enough for me.

Psychout wrote:

Burn wrote:

APPLICATION TO PLACE A BOUNTY

Applicant Name :
• Do you wish your name to be disclosed? [ ] Yes [ ] No
• Do you wish this bounty to be disclosed publicly? [ ] Yes [ ] No
(Public disclosure will alert your target that a bounty has been placed upon them)

Name of intended target :
• Do you wish to place this bounty on the entire team? [ ] Yes [ ] No
• If no, please list the names of the individual bots you wish the bounty to be placed on.
(Please also provide links to targetted team/bots)

Do you wish this to be a public or privately listed bounty? [ ] Yes [ ] No
• If privately listed, please provide the name(s) of the bounty hunter whose services you wish to engage.
(Please note that a publicly listed bounty means any bounty hunter may accept the contract)

State the time period you want this bounty to be open for:
(By default a bounty will remain open for two weeks, if not claimed by then it will be automatically closed)

Value of Bounty:
(Please state again whether it's for a team or individual bot(s) or both)
(It's also advised that you read the guidelines regarding costing of bounties)

This is exactly what I was looking, for and is 101% awesome. Cheers.

I have to agree, that is awesome.

OK, the plan is to start this off soon, but before we do I want to be sure of a few things:

1) 'Licensed' hunters will have their names added to the first post of a specific 'Hunters' thread.

2) There is no formal structure to the Hunters, but 'Guild' has been used as a collective term.

3) These are the basics behind the guild operation:

Transmission wrote:APPLICATION TO PLACE A BOUNTY

Applicant Name :
• Do you wish your name to be disclosed? [ ] Yes [ ] No
• Do you wish this bounty to be disclosed publicly? [ ] Yes [ ] No
(Public disclosure will alert your target that a bounty has been placed upon them)

Name of intended target :
• Do you wish to place this bounty on the entire team? [ ] Yes [ ] No
• If no, please list the names of the individual bots you wish the bounty to be placed on.
(Please also provide links to targeted team/bots)

Do you wish this to be a public or privately listed bounty? [ ] Private [ ] Public
• If privately listed, please provide the name(s) of the bounty hunter whose services you wish to engage.
(Please note that a publicly listed bounty means any bounty hunter may accept the contract)

State the time period you want this bounty to be open for:
(By default a bounty will remain open for two weeks, if not claimed by then it will be automatically closed)

Value of Bounty (in Energon):
It is advised that you read the guidelines regarding costing of bounties
(Please state again whether it's for a team or individual bot(s) or both)


Please submit your bounty request to the hunters thread or to any of the listed hunters from the first post and wait. Request of, and/or acceptance of, a bounty application is no guarantee of completion.

Transmission wrote:Bounty Guidelines, per individual target
Standard bounties as rates by Power level as set by guild consent.
These are not mandatory, but keep these enforced where possible to ensure all hunters are working to the same standards.

Lvl 0 = €500
Lvl 1 = €1,000
Lvl 2 = €2,000
Lvl 3 = €3,000
Lvl 4 = €4,000
Lvl 5 = €5,000

Anything above level 5 is negotiated on a case-by-case basis between client and hunter.

4) To accept a public bounty a hunter must post to say he undertaking it. This does not exclude other hunters from also attempting the bounty. Private bounties must remain private until after completion and then can only be be disclosed at the clients request.


... so, is there anything I've missed?
I'm considering a 'hall of of records' to go in here to list completed bounties and who collected on them, but to begin with this will be running in GD.
Im planning the tourney to win the first 'batch' of licences as a sign-up scalp hunt. Collect the team of any commander who has also signed up and you're in, 2 week limit.

hunter for hire.

i only play 10-16 hours a day on average.

negotiable prices.

wiling to sublet (pay percentage)for help.

One question:
Can I place bounties on people from my own faction?

Deadpool. wrote:One question:
Can I place bounties on people from my own faction?

Your alter ego recommended that at the thread's beginning. It was generally agreed to with conditions and the recommendation not to do it publicly.

Where's that read the thread pic when you need it?