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SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Built Bot Windblade

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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Va'al » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:32 pm

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Va'al wrote:As much as I'd complain or argue over aspects of the execution, falling into gender and ethnic stereotypes, I do agree with whoever said that it's a good sign that a female character emerged from the poll, and that this was carried through by Hasbro.

It shows that, at least for me, the fandom is slowly progressing beyond the stagnant point of 'these are the characters, don't touch them'. And that includes the multitude of kids that probably voted in the poll too, who don't have as many prejudices as some of the older fans!

So yes, good, overall. :D



^ All of this :x

The fandom, sure. (Actually, I thought Transformers has always been one of the more female-friendly fandoms.) But then Hasbro had to go and make her a geisha.


That's what I meant with the execution point, yes. Sigh.
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Noideaforaname » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:57 pm

"Fan-made", no kidding.


Would be nice to get an un-supermodely female TF. We've got all manner or weird dude robots (Lugnut, Bludgeon, Prime Soundwave, Sky Lynx, the RotF Constructicons, BM Vehicons, etc.), yet apart from Strika all the gals have the same body type.
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:00 pm

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Noideaforaname wrote:Would be nice to get an un-supermodely female TF. We've got all manner or weird dude robots (Lugnut, Bludgeon, Prime Soundwave, Sky Lynx, the RotF Constructicons, BM Vehicons, etc.), yet apart from Strika all the gals have the same body type.
What about Ripclaw and Ser-Ket?
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:12 pm

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Noideaforaname wrote:Would be nice to get an un-supermodely female TF. We've got all manner or weird dude robots (Lugnut, Bludgeon, Prime Soundwave, Sky Lynx, the RotF Constructicons, BM Vehicons, etc.), yet apart from Strika all the gals have the same body type.
What about Ripclaw and Ser-Ket?


What about the ROTF Arcee triplets?
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Va'al » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:14 pm

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Noideaforaname wrote:Would be nice to get an un-supermodely female TF. We've got all manner or weird dude robots (Lugnut, Bludgeon, Prime Soundwave, Sky Lynx, the RotF Constructicons, BM Vehicons, etc.), yet apart from Strika all the gals have the same body type.
What about Ripclaw and Ser-Ket?


Still humanoid, and if you remove the shoulder pads, you get the usual 'feminine' look.
The only real difference is that they're more beastly, in terms of wings, tails and heads, than Arcee and her ilk.

But hey, Barbie has just been made with a realistic body shape, maybe these can follow suit, and experiment a bit more!

EDIT: The ROTF motorbikes were an interesting concept, in these terms, but they never really got enough screen time, and the fandom hated the non-humanoid robot modes. Shame.
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Noideaforaname » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:15 pm

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:What about Ripclaw and Ser-Ket?


What about the ROTF Arcee triplets?

Evidently they're so un-supermodely I plum forgot them all. I guess I don't really have much of a point anymore! :lol:
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby TulioDude » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:32 pm

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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Metrosuplex » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:34 pm

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Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Oh look, a quick, blade-wielding female character. That hasn't been done too much at all. At least she's done up like a Japanese escort in case any businessmen show up at Cybertron so she laugh at all their jokes and do an elaborate dance for them after dinner. MUCH better than the heavily armored female Decepticon brawler character I voted for.

At least I can cover up the Autobot symbol with a Decepticon one and cover up the face with silver paint.


Very well said. Is Hasbro TROLLING us? >:oP Because making this "fan-chosen" specimen into a hooker-ish stereotype... just disgraceful.

You guys say "geisha", but I thought Kabuki. As in, could still be a dude under that mask... which leads us to the next commment...
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GuyIncognito wrote:A new female bot: good.

Hasbro still thinking that female bots need breasts: bad.


Actually I have been reading about the "need for breasts" on the bots/toys. Without them they would not be distinguishable from the "male" bots. The big fear is that cross/transgender identification with toys at a young age. By sexualizing (females have breasts) parents don't have to explain this and there won't be a picket from certain groups against the toy manufacture for the release of a cross/transgender toy.

So to avoid litigations / psychological identification and confusion / etc. it is a good thing.


*quickly closes the container of Sharkticon bait* No need for such debate, the question of whether we actually need female robots is bad enough :lol:


Why not? It's a discussion forum, we can discuss the topic.

There clearly is a new opportunity to talk about gender, or at least the presence of 'female' characters in a predominantly 'male' cast, though we're not sure in which continuity Windblade will fit (yes, IDW, but they have three series at the moment - though I doubt she'll fit in ReGen One).

As for the trans* point been raised: Yes, maybe, but I seriously do not think it is a good to just avoid talking about these issues. Especially when children are concerned, as they will grow up to be as narrow-minded as the parents raising them, in this way.


I sincerely doubt there is any company (let alone Hasbro) that is SOOOOOO FORWARD THINKING as to avoid a transgender scandal with parents. Seriously??? :roll: Unless I missed the big news story about some kid being scarred for life by feminine guy toys... that's absurd.

Furthermore, saying toys teach gender, sexuality, or anything else is more absurd. They don't talk. :BANG_HEAD: And kids aren't really as aware of transgender issues as you guys make it out to be. Here's a great example: Akihabara (in Japan) is full of posters and ads depicting sexualized young women (arguably, even underage), but there are plenty of kids walking around and they do NOT notice any of it. Seriously. They aren't staring at pictures of sexy girls with big round eyes and losing their innocence in real time, as they walk.

Ergo, enough of this "let's be politically correct and avoid transgender scandals" talk. That's not the case. :HEADHURTS: At least, not if you're rational - maybe a Hasbro CEO has a personal issue with the matter and took it upon themselves to demand breastplates on female TF's??? :???:
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby MINDVVIPE » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:23 pm

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I think it's the fact that fembots that look female are just better looking than fembots that are androgynous. When something is sexy, you automatically like it more, (TF nerds excluded ;))

I'm happy about having another fembot, and one that has feminine porpotions. That face though... yeesh. It looks like a robot all the way until you reach the head and you see a human asian thing thats much too similar to a human cultural thing to maintain the fact that its an alien robot. It looks like a human's design, and not Cybertronian, is the point I'm trying to make. Wish it was more pointy and less broad as well.
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Dagon » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:33 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Hasbro: "Hey, we have this new character called Drift!"

Fandom: "WE HATE HIM." :BOOM:

Hasbro: "Hey, we have a female version of Drift!"

Fandom: "WOW! INTERESTING!" :shock:



What thread are you finding this response in? It doesn't seem to be this one so far.


I think the jet mode looks cool, but I have a very difficult time believing that a bunch of children --you know, the target audience that always gets brought up whenever the fandom complains about something-- really voted for a robo geshia. Female jet with swords? Yeah, sure. But I don't think this is really what the average child was envisioning the TF universe was missing.
Although, were it totally the fandom responsible for the vote, I agree with who ever it was who mentioned G1 Arcee, and I almost wonder how much of an analogue for her this thing is supposed to be.
Personally, I'd like to actually see the figure before making too much of a decision, but I'm not too interested in this. And a very stupid name.



EDIT: Look at the picture. Then look at a picture of Slipstream from the Legends game.
Same chestplate, same wings with VTOL engines added, same basic shoulder pads.

Any chances that this 'poll winning' design is a reuse of a cancelled Slipstream design? Perhaps Hasbro left Slipstream up to TFCC to do, and had had a design they shelved, and this poll was a chance to get some use out of it after all? i know TFCC gets permissions and whatnot from Hasbro, and not the other way around, but the more I look at this thing, the more I see an altered Slipstream trying to make people think it's somebody else.
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby rockman_fan » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:45 pm

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i voted for a decepticon bulldozer. oh well. kinda dissapointed that it's basically rule 63 drift, but at least its not a generic car guy. :-?
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:59 pm

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Doubledealer93 wrote:im so glad this was a fembot. im willing to bet it will be a TFCC exclusive though.
It won't be. TCC exclusives are conceived and made by the TCC. This was all Hasbro's doing.
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Blurrz » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:02 pm

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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Convotron » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:06 pm

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It's interesting that there is such a thing as an issue with female looking robots. So basically, those who are against fembots/female robots are against a Transformer toy having a bust or other feminine features.

So what is desired by some is a non-feminine fembot...is this any better?

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It's cherry picking points of an argument if we don't look at the entire picture.

It's okay for "male" robots to exist and they do because in all branches of fiction from G1 we have most Transformers characters referred to with he/him. Additionally, fembots are referred to with she/her.

It's okay to have male proportions in the majority of robots(broad shoulders, torsos tapering down to the waist), it's okay to have male facial features(square jaw, masculine facial structure).

It's okay to have male voice actors voice apparently male robots/bio-mechanical organisms.

BUT...

It's not okay to have a fembot with feminine features(breasts/a bust).

So it's a boy's club with a big "NO GIRLS ALLOWED" sign hung up at the entrance.

Adult males collecting toys made for children are against a girl toy robot. Welcome to 2013.

As far as the geisha comments, at most, the helmet/upper head design does resemble the basic shimada hairstyle associated with geisha but only from the front view of the head design. From any other angle, the resemblance is largely lost.

Does it only take a head design that weakly resembles the shimada hairstyle to qualify a character design wholly as a geisha? That's all it takes?

Incidentally, the shimada hairstyle was not exclusive to geisha, non-geisha women wore their hair like that as well.

The face design, particularly the red details around the eyes combined with the white colouring of the face is kabuki influenced, as already said in the thread.
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Erailea » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:25 pm

I think I could toally dig this character. Will be interesting to see how the final product turns out. Even cooler to see a comic of her or even see her in a cartoon at some point so people can get a feel for her personality.


Not quite sure where the backlash about the geisha / kabuki thing is coming from though. I can think of two reasons the artists did it, even if it wasn't on the poll (which I will admit I never looked at)

1) Prowl seems to be a beloved characters among TFA fans and he was and odd combination of ninja and samurai.

2) Hasn't anyone seen Avatar: The Last Airbender? lol. The show has an almost cult like following and The Kyoshi Warriors are rather well loved. Hasbro is always trying to bring in new fans, so why not (possibly) play on that note - a strong, agile, Japanese-culture reference of a character who somewhat resembles a Kyoshi Warrior from an immensely popular cartoon. Sounds like a pretty good marketing ploy to me!

And as it stands, pretty much anything Japanese is popular in the U.S. (don't even get me started on the "Japanese game / cartoons are better" thing). So I really would not be surprised in Samurai won out on the polls. The face paint just seriously makes me think of the Kyoshi Warriors though. Whether the panelists said Kabuki to try and cover that up or if that was honestly an inspiration, we might never know.
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby MINDVVIPE » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:28 pm

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Convotron wrote:As far as the geisha comments, at most, the helmet/upper head design does resemble the basic shimada hairstyle associated with geisha but only from the front view of the head design. From any other angle, the resemblance is largely lost.

Does it only take a head design that weakly resembles the shimada hairstyle to qualify a character design wholly as a geisha? That's all it takes?

Incidentally, the shimada hairstyle was not exclusive to geisha, non-geisha women wore their hair like that as well.

The face design, particularly the red details around the eyes combined with the white colouring of the face is kabuki influenced, as already said in the thread.

Ya, but see, for people who don't really know crap about the details, the most familiar association is with a Geisha, and to a sad, lesser extent, this:
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby JazZeke » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:33 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Hasbro: "Hey, we have this new character called Drift!"

Fandom: "WE HATE HIM." :BOOM:

Hasbro: "Hey, we have a female version of Drift!"

Fandom: "WOW! INTERESTING!" :shock:



What thread are you finding this response in? It doesn't seem to be this one so far.


I think the jet mode looks cool, but I have a very difficult time believing that a bunch of children --you know, the target audience that always gets brought up whenever the fandom complains about something-- really voted for a robo geshia. Female jet with swords? Yeah, sure. But I don't think this is really what the average child was envisioning the TF universe was missing.
Although, were it totally the fandom responsible for the vote, I agree with who ever it was who mentioned G1 Arcee, and I almost wonder how much of an analogue for her this thing is supposed to be.

On the other side of that, I don't see parents being too keen to buy their children a toy that looks like a robot geisha.
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby guarayakha » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:45 pm

While i think it's great that Hasbro is making an effort to reach out to the fans with fanvoted designs, this to me just looks like TFP Arcee cosplaying as an Cyberasian jetformer. Maybe she lost a bet with Bulkhead, I dunno. :HEADHURTS:

Hopefully the facial details won't be a messy paintjob when they toy comes about.
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Metrosuplex » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:52 pm

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Kabuki....

Just wishful thinking but... what if the Kabuki face is... a Kabuki mask? :shock: Could she have TWO faces? :x

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Much of its appeal in this era was due to the ribald, suggestive themes featured by many troupes; this appeal was further augmented by the fact that the performers were often also available for prostitution.

Women’s kabuki, called onna-kabuki, was banned in 1629 for being too erotic. Following onna-kabuki, young boys performed in wakashū-kabuki, but since they too were eligible for prostitution, the shogun government soon banned wakashū-kabuki as well. Kabuki switched to adult male actors, called yaro-kabuki, in the mid-1600s.[4] Male actors played both female and male characters.


So really, I'm saying we can be neither sure that this TF is "female", nor that she's NOT a prostitute! ;) :lol:
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Convotron » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:03 pm

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MINDVVIPE wrote:Ya, but see, for people who don't really know crap about the details, the most familiar association is with a Geisha, and to a sad, lesser extent, this:


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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby chaosmage42 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:06 pm

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2 faces would be cool -im all for more ninja bots -and here is a shocker for you I LIKE DRIFT -hes not as bad as people make him out to be and i don't see whats wrong with samurai or ninja themes -they worked with blugeon and i don't see why everyone has to say its a typical fan idea to make a character a ninja to make him cooler as it don't work with everything but in some it does -look at animated prowl my favorite from that series -and he was a ninja -its the same reason people like pirates and other things added in. I think we can give this character the chance and see what happens. Also hope it shows up in idw would be interesting to see another female bot other than arcee
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Morbalis » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:08 pm

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Wow, I am so unimpressed...Total camel.
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Noideaforaname » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:23 pm

Erailea wrote:Not quite sure where the backlash about the geisha / kabuki thing is coming from though.

Japanese culture/media is so popular that, for some, they already feel like they're drowning in it, and that to borrow from Japan comes across as simply cashing in or riding the bandwagon (or being a "weeaboo"). Which admittedly isn't really fair, a kabuki-themed bot shouldn't be any "better" than a medieval knight robot, but I think we can all at least somewhat understand.
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Re: SDCC 2013 Coverage: First Look at Transformers Fan Bulit Bot Windblade

Postby Nemesis Maximo » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:16 pm

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