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Chosen wrote:Scourge has clear red plastic and Decepticon symbols. Black Convoy has pink clear plastic and Renegade (upside-down G2 Autobot) symbols. I think those were the only differences, or at least the major ones.

For the nitpicky ones, here are the changes done to the mold from RiD Scourge on (that includes the G2 Battle Convoy reissue):

- The sword has been rounded to make it safer. Blame updated US Toy Safety Laws
- The discs have no symbol on them. Since RiD Scourge was and not the discs were remolded to eliminate the connection.

Takara Black Convoy uses the earlier mold, so he has a sharp-pointed sword (ow, my eye) and the symbols on the discs.

Stormrider wrote:One question that I am curious about - Why did you title this "Serious discussion..."?

i named this "serious" discussion bcuz people just buy some toys for pure collecting. i personally will play with my toys til i die, and i want a quality toy. sure, everyone has scourge, but is it just for pure collecting, or does the toy reely live up to its price?

I have G2 Laser Prime, RID Scourge, and G2 Battle Convoy. I have to say that I love the mould. I have yet to take G2 battle convoy out of the box, but it still lookds nice, aside from the poor looking matrix stickers on his chest.

RID Scourge is still one of my favorites. I remember finding him the same time my best friend found Armada Super-con Prime and I'm glad I got Scourge instead of Prime that's for sure!

I would recommend Scourge, but if your going big then I say go for Car Robots Black Convoy. Just seems like a better figure to me, and that's on top of a already great mould.

Ok...everyone here seems to be missing the reasons why RID Scourge is not as great as Black Convoy.

OK besides the fact that the translucent pink and swords are differemt, there are a few things you should also know.

1.Black Convoy's legs are sturdier and tighter than RID Scourge's legs. NOTE: i onced onwed both at the same time, a brand new Scourge, and a used Black Convoy. Scourge was troublesome to pose. Not that the legs were loose, but just getting action poses to stay were more difficult at the legs than my used Black Convoy, which is incomplete, and had some wear.

2. Scourges colors are darker, with the dark red, he looks very evil. I rather the darker shade than the Black Convoy, but hey they both are still awesome.

3. Now my only gripe with Scourge was the name, and the Decepticon symbols. In the TF2000, Black Convoy, and Valdigus (Ruination) were a seperate faction called the Combatricons or Combatracons (can't remember the spelling).

That was the whole point of the inverted G2 Autobot symbol. I also owned both Valdigus and Ruination. The colors for Valdigus were show accurate, and they also carried the inverted G2 Autobot symbol rather than the decepticon symbol.

Worse was even when TF2000 debuted as R.I.D, they still shown them with the inverted g2 Autobot symbol.

So IMO, I would get Black Convoy, he's not expensive like he used to be, but try to get one in the original packaging, and not the Korean Box, I have you might get a bad one very so often. I say this becuase I bought two Korean Box BB/Starscream sets, and one was tight, and one was loose at the joints.

I vote Car Robots Black Convoy. I think that my was the Korean version, but the joints were tight and the figure stayed in any pose.

very much appreciated.

iono why, but i like harsh judgements on toys. if it wasnt for u guys giving me hard comments on these toys, then i would be the one to do it... i gotta admit, looking at the pictures... black/grey with teal looks tite, but that decepticon symbol pisses me off greatly...

black convoy over rid scourge it is. anyone say otherwise?
or is a mould just a mould?