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Megatron is probably in the movie less than he was in ROTF. Really Laserbeak is the Decepticon with all the scenes. Shockwave also is at least is in more than two scenes, like people were saying and he is identified as a major threat and takes on all nine Autobots at once, forcing them to flee. I was just a bit saddened at him being rofl stomped by humans and then destroyed by Optimus.

Oh! And another major plus: The robots do things!

There are more scenes with robots then without robots! This is a massive improvement after ROTF. Battle scenes are also traceable and not just watching robots shoot at robots. Sideswipe and Ironhide VS Crankcase and Crowbar in particular is a battle scene far better than we've ever gotten before.
Another cute tidbit was Barricade hates Bumblebee. When they're captured, Barricade pushes over Bumblebee and growls "Bee..." before leaving to assumedly go talk to Shockwave, where he dies in a later scene.

OlivusPrime wrote:So are Mirage and Wheeljack really called Dino and Q? If so, that REALLY sucks. If anything, I was looking forward to seeing characters named "Wheeljack" and "Mirage" on the big screen.

Yes. The ferrari is identified as Dino via a PA message in NEST and Que introduces himself as Que.

Doubledealer25 wrote:so seibertron, did megatron die in the end???

Yes. In the most awkward scene imaginable.

Sentinel is about to kill Optimus, but is shot in the chest by Megatron, who then tears into him, ripping off his helmet and pulling his chest to pieces. Sentinel falls to the ground and Megatron turns to Optimus saying:

"We need a truce. All that I ask is that I keep my command. Besides, what would you be without me?"

Optimus says "I'm about to find out." and proceeds to tear off Megatron's head before he has a chance to react. Optimus really comes across as the bad guy.

EDIT: Eek! Sorry for the Double Post!

Dissapointed that the Twins are gone
Even more disapointed that Mirage and Wheeljack are "Dino" and "Que"... (still gonna call them Mirage and Wheeljack)

But the special effects and everything else makes up for that

Starscream GaGa wrote:Sentinel is about to kill Optimus, but is shot in the chest by Megatron, who then tears into him, ripping off his helmet and pulling his chest to pieces. Sentienl fall to the ground and Megatron turn's to Optimus saying:

"We need a truce. All that I ask is that I keep my command. Besides, what would you be without me?" Optimus says "I'm about to find out." and proceeds to tear off Megatron's head ebfore he has a chance to react. Optmius really comes across as the bad guy.

What...

I really like Seibertron's review.

I've been trying to figure out if i still want to go see it and i think i've reached a happy medium of still watching it on Thursday (as planned), but not shelling out the extra money for the 3D version. I have the same opinion of 3D as Seibertron does - its just a gimmick.

On the other hand, i've been trying to figure out how to keep an open mind and just enjoy the stupid easy entertainment that its going to be without letting my 'Transformer fanboy' mind hate it and get all depressed over it. Which of course, proceeds to coming here and waging a flame war with the Bayformer fans. And i really don't want to do that, because i do respect every Transformers fan's opinion here.

So i've started trying to cope with this and the closest that i can come to is trying to emulate the same mindset as a sports fan. I like 'Team G1' while the Bayformer fans are 'Team Bayformers'. The World Super Bowl Series Cup Finals are this movie in which both teams are playing. So i'm going to go to show my support for my team and if they lose, take in stride that they'll come back stronger than ever next season, or in this case, the next reboot.

When the Team Bayformer fans start going on and on about how Micheal Bay is the grand master of action movies and blah, blah, blah...instead of debating them, i can go "Yeah, but did you notice that they used the original Optimus Prime voice actor? That was awesome!" and when they go, "maaan, that 'Dino' Transformer was off the hook!", i can comment and say, "Yeah, he was a Bayformer successor to the much more badass character, Mirage!"

I think this way of thinking keep it all win/win. No flamming and everyone agrees that the World Super Bowl Series Cup Final 3/DOTM movie was great entertainment.

But the only difficult part is keeping tact when the Team Bayformer fans poke and prod. lol

Oh, yeah forgot about Laserbeak being a total boss. Who slags him in the end?

He grabs onto Sam, whose riding a Decepticon fighter piloted by Bumblebee. His head is blown off by one of the turrents.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

OlivusPrime wrote:So are Mirage and Wheeljack really called Dino and Q? If so, that REALLY sucks. If anything, I was looking forward to seeing characters named "Wheeljack" and "Mirage" on the big screen.

Yes. The ferrari is identified as Dino via a PA message in NEST and Que introduces himself as Que.

GAH. I'm really surprised that those names got into the film. Like everyone else though, I'll still think of them as Mirage and Wheeljack (film names could be nicknames), can't wait for the toys! Also it's really cool that Wheeljack is properly introduced (unlike the ROTF Autobots).

Maybe Nelson was the one who stole the script, and made some subtle changes?

As much as I like TransFormers, I will never force myslef to like a movie...ROTF. I really hope DOTM is good, but even from this review I don't feel it. I'm seeing it tonight. I've heard from other fans already who say, "eh." and other who say "Best out of all three." Trust me, I really do hope it's the best out of the 3!!! It really is sad too, to read reviews who say this franchise has fallen.

ConBotFormer wrote:As much as I like TransFormers, I will never force myslef to like a movie...ROTF. I really hope DOTM is good, but even from this review I don't feel it. I'm seeing it tonight. I've heard from other fans already who say, "eh." and other who say "Best out of all three." Trust me, I really do hope it's the best out of the 3!!! It really is sad too, to read reviews who say this franchise has fallen.

It is nothing compared to the schmut that was ROTF.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Doubledealer25 wrote:so seibertron, did megatron die in the end???

Yes. In the most awkward scene imaginable.

Sentinel is about to kill Optimus, but is shot in the chest by Megatron, who then tears into him, ripping off his helmet and pulling his chest to pieces. Sentinel falls to the ground and Megatron turns to Optimus saying:

"We need a truce. All that I ask is that I keep my command. Besides, what would you be without me?"

Optimus says "I'm about to find out." and proceeds to tear off Megatron's head before he has a chance to react. Optimus really comes across as the bad guy.

EDIT: Eek! Sorry for the Double Post!

that just kills it for me. that is something prime would NEVER do. he surrendered!!! but he proceeded to kill him!?!

Doubledealer25 wrote:that just kills it for me. that is something prime would NEVER do. he surrendered!!! but he proceeded to kill him!?!

I think what were supposed to say is:

"But Megatron said he wanted to keep his command! Clearly he's still evil!"

Unfortunately the way in which Optimus murders Megatron really removes that feeling.

I really dislike how Prime is a psychopath in these movies, but that's an important distinction to note in the final scene: Megatron didn't surrender. He just wanted a truce, and to remain leader of the Decepticons.

Prime then killing him immediately was a major dick move, but not as bad as killing someone who had outright surrendered.

It's like reading three pages worth of justification.

On one hand you're saying, "sure it has problems with the story [anything like the first two, its stupid]" then you say, "oh these guys have done an amazing job!"

It's like you're justifying the fact that it's more low brow stupid Michael Bay filmmaking with the fact that it has a hot girl, cool cars and robots, lots of robots. Robots that get no characterization. Robots that are shoved aside for the stupidest cast of humans out side of the sequel to Dumb and Dumber.


Maybe it's a guilty pleasure. Maybe we're trying a little too hard to like it because its Transformers, and hey, we like Transformers, right?! I'm sorry, but explosions and lots of CGI doesn't make up for the racist, sexist, stupid nonsense that permeates Bay's films.

Personally, the first film was a C- at best, the second was so mind numbingly awful, it's one of the worst movies ever created. This one my be an improvement on the second one, but that's not saying much. X-men 3, The Phantom Menace, Green Lantern and Spider-Man 3 were all better than the last Transformers movie, so that's faint praise indeed.

STORY FIRST people! STORY FIRST! Until they get that, we'll never get a really good TF movie.

Kinda regret buying 3D tickets, even with the tech and special effects, I feel like I over paid for a typical badly written Story.

I don't blame Bay, he didn't write the movie.

From comparing the story presented in the novel and what I've gleaned from spoilers revealed today, the storyline went through some considerable overhauling on several major points. That'd be Bay's doing, I assume.

cruizerdave wrote:Personally, the first film was a C- at best, the second was so mind numbingly awful, it's one of the worst movies ever created. This one my be an improvement on the second one, but that's not saying much. X-men 3, The Phantom Menace, Green Lantern and Spider-Man 3 were all better than the last Transformers movie, so that's faint praise indeed.

Putting Spider man 3 with the liek of X-men 3 is just mean.

Tekka wrote:
I don't want to focus on the very simplest level of the plot. "Stop them or we die." That may be enough for you, but it's not what I would have imagined coming from a decidely more adult movie. I can't break it down any further for you than I already have.

If Prime doesn't care about one of his comrades dying, I want to know why.

If he doesn't care about his planet being doomed, I want to know why.

If he has to go against everything he believes in and takes a life from enemy that can no longer fight back, I want to know what changed him into that person.

That's all. It's about telling the story of the characters, not defeating the monster of the day.

I agree altho I didn't expect we'd get that. And I don't mean I want no explosions But I do think there is room in a summer blockbuster for characterizations. Or at least that's what I would have liked to see. I'm sure I'll enjoy the CGI and all that (even more so if I didn't have to wear 3D glasses over my glasses) but I would have liked to enjoy the story and characters as well.

lame movies

I seriously think the ending was changed to save time. I guess the conversation between megatron and Optimus at the end would've taken too long and obviously having the humans roll around a collapsing building for three minute longer than was needed was more important.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:Personally, the first film was a C- at best, the second was so mind numbingly awful, it's one of the worst movies ever created. This one my be an improvement on the second one, but that's not saying much. X-men 3, The Phantom Menace, Green Lantern and Spider-Man 3 were all better than the last Transformers movie, so that's faint praise indeed.

Putting Spider man 3 with the liek of X-men 3 is just mean.

They actually share some of the same problems. Rushed production, forced to incorporate characters and concepts that there wasn't room for and not paying good enough attention to the source material. The difference is that Spidey 3 is padded to be like two hours and 20 minutes long with horrible afternoon soap opera scenes involving omelets, lost memories, crying, singing, jazz dancing ... X3 was at least quick and to the point and over in 90 minutes or so the suffering wasn't prolonged.

ROTF makes both look like The Godfather.

So the kill count is as following;

Autobots

*Ironhide (why?! He was so cool in the movies! But he was cooler in the original show though)

*Sentinel Prime (maybe should be in either Decepticons or just neutral)

*"Q" (Wheeljack)

Decepticons

*Megatron (is this for real, or was Seibertron just saying that Prime was doing what he does best?)

*Starscream

*Shockwave

*Barricade ( )

So let's get to the point; Utterly disappointed how not only do some of these beloved characters die out, but the fact Sentinel ends up betraying, killing Ironhide, and gets killed by Optimus. I also hate how Shockwave doesn't speak at all, including the game.

Counterpunch wrote:RE: Prime's war strategy and "brutishness"

Deal with this hypothetical scenario in a manner you find to be appropriate. Here is what you need to know:

- You and I are enemies. We have irreconcilable differences.
- I plan to destroy you and everything you love and cherish.
- I will not relent, ever.
- If you defeat me and show me mercy, I promise that I will smite you for it at the earliest opportunity.
- If I can not defeat you outright, I will prey upon people and things you care about without pause, without mercy, and without thought for consequence.
- If you imprison me, I will work the system until everyone believe I am reformed and when I am freed I will kill you and everything you care about. I will NEVER EVER stop.

Please tell me your scenario for victory with the understanding of who your opponent now is.

CP, I totally see your point. In fact, exactly what Cheesinator's issue (and mine, in part) is with the Bay Autobots is a pretty good mirror of, oh god Imma go there, American foreign policy. You can either:

FIGHT TO WIN which means every tactic is on the table no matter how morally...dubious or destructive

or

FIGHT AND STILL TRY TO BE THE NICE GUY which means things like the Geneva Convention, pissing ourselves about collateral damage, and try to be all friendly.

America tries to do option 2. It...doesn't work so hot. I remember an Army Captain got in some series poop for firing a pistol near a blindfolded interrogatee's head. He was firing into a clearing barrel, it was just a scare tactic, but people went BERSERK about 'we're Americans, we don't DO that!!!!'

So I guess what I'm trying to say is I kinda want to see the Autobots pull off Option 2 so maybe I'd have hope it could be done in real life? I dunno. It's silly and jingoistic as hell, but I want my Autobots to be...better than humans.

HK, living in fakerealityland since 1984

does mirage/dino, bumblebee and soundwave die and if so how?