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Autobot032 wrote:They should've been left in. I'm so sick and tired of too many people getting their way. The majority shouldn't lose out to the minority. It just defies logic.

Yet, they won. They got what they wanted, and all I wanted was to scream at the top of my lungs.

Fandoms: Not. Even. Once.

what a rather strange and peculiar belief to possess

shamone wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:They should've been left in. I'm so sick and tired of too many people getting their way. The majority shouldn't lose out to the minority. It just defies logic.

Yet, they won. They got what they wanted, and all I wanted was to scream at the top of my lungs.

Fandoms: Not. Even. Once.

what a rather strange and peculiar belief to possess

Belief in majority rule is strange now? I find that a rather strange belief myself. A common saying is "the idiot who screams loudest is the one who gets all the attention." I've seen more people who perfered the Twins stay, personally. However, these people aren't (for the most part) screaming idiots.

Noideaforaname wrote:I think one Autobot death was enough for the traitor scene. Plus, what makes that scene so powerful is that Ironhide just risked his life for Sentinel, who promptly stabs him in the back.

Having the Twins die just seems like racking up the kill number. Plus, to redeem themselves, they have to do something heroic (jumping into what just killed Ironhide isn't heroic, it's just stupid). Not to mention painting such controversial characters black and killing them off would not at all shrug off all the cries of racism.


Incidentally, it'd have been the 5th & 6th black bot death in a row.

Yeah, I think it would have taken some of the weight from Ironhide's death. Skids and Mudflap dying alongside Ironhide would have just hurt it.

Think about it: whether you hate the twins or not, they're a very divisive couple of characters. Ironhide is not. By having them die in the same scene, you take away the impact of Ironhide's death by making half the audience just happy to see the twins bite it. All of a sudden, a scene that was shocking and kind of messed up is now tainted.

I wouldn't have minded having them written out in some other way, though. Like Megan Fox.

Lastjustice wrote:

Optimus1138 wrote:I think they should definitely have at least had their death scene. If they had been in it, people who liked the twins would have been pleased that they were in the movie, and that they died heroically; people who didn't like them would be glad to see them die, and they might have been at least partially redeemed in their eyes due to having heroic deaths. Their deaths would have also helped Sentinel seem more evil.

I fully agree with this. Everyone wins if they were brought in and killed.

Agreed in full. This is my main point in this argument. they would have been awesome in that scene! I mean, they would have contributed to the movie's "Mature" Theme very nicely, if they had gone down the same way they did in the books anyway...

Marcdachamp wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I think one Autobot death was enough for the traitor scene. Plus, what makes that scene so powerful is that Ironhide just risked his life for Sentinel, who promptly stabs him in the back.

Having the Twins die just seems like racking up the kill number. Plus, to redeem themselves, they have to do something heroic (jumping into what just killed Ironhide isn't heroic, it's just stupid). Not to mention painting such controversial characters black and killing them off would not at all shrug off all the cries of racism.


Incidentally, it'd have been the 5th & 6th black bot death in a row.

Yeah, I think it would have taken some of the weight from Ironhide's death. Skids and Mudflap dying alongside Ironhide would have just hurt it.

Think about it: whether you hate the twins or not, they're a very divisive couple of characters. Ironhide is not. By having them die in the same scene, you take away the impact of Ironhide's death by making half the audience just happy to see the twins bite it. All of a sudden, a scene that was shocking and kind of messed up is now tainted.

I wouldn't have minded having them written out in some other way, though. Like Megan Fox.

Now that I think about it, I think I would've liked to have seen them written out like they did for her, too. I'd never really thought about it before...

Capt.Failure wrote:

shamone wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:They should've been left in. I'm so sick and tired of too many people getting their way. The majority shouldn't lose out to the minority. It just defies logic.

Yet, they won. They got what they wanted, and all I wanted was to scream at the top of my lungs.

Fandoms: Not. Even. Once.

what a rather strange and peculiar belief to possess

Belief in majority rule is strange now? I find that a rather strange belief myself. A common saying is "the idiot who screams loudest is the one who gets all the attention." I've seen more people who perfered the Twins stay, personally. However, these people aren't (for the most part) screaming idiots.

you never hear about the tyranny of the majority. The kind of thing that givesthe green light for slavery and persecution

Well most broadsheet journalists and film scholars must be screaming idiots then

I love SKIDS and mudflap so much!! Even if they were just going to die at Sentinel's hands, at least I would've seen them at least (and going down like heroes too)

shamone wrote: Well most broadsheet journalists and film scholars must be screaming idiots then

Yes... Yes they are.

If you think about it, the majority of movies that critic hold in high regards are either office failures, or their opinions are vastly different than the general public.
not only that, but in most cases their opinions don't affect the over all outcome or succes of said movie.

I wanted the Twins to be in the DOTM movie because they were in the DOTM book. Just for consistency between the two.

I would have wanted a death scene for them, but at a different time. Maybe Shockwave could've ACTUALLY killed some bots. Maybe put them in the "No prisoners, only trophies" scene.