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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:48 pm

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shamone wrote:i was simply pointing out that bay doesnt do explanations,



Ahh, but I provided possible explanations for your oringal concerns. Instead of debating those, your response was a one lined insult to Bay.


shamone wrote:for example

- how come soundwave wasnt detected in the atmospehere,


Undetectable by earth radar... He took the place of an MTV satalite... He jamed their dections of him (he is a cominications specialists) There could be several different reasons, but lets be completely honest. How does this impact the plot in any way?


shamone wrote:- no explanation for grinder. Most would have thought that it was blackout, but he died in first movie,


Now this a agree with 100%. I do believe reusing his alt mode and renaming it was a poor choice. It would have been much better to use a completely new alt mode.


shamone wrote:- - Where was the fallen hiding out,


Space! Duh! 8-}

shamone wrote:- - the multiple models of the same decepticons.,


Drones. Even my 60yr old dad got that. Becides, this isn't the first time drones have been used without any formal introduction.



shamone wrote:- Bay almost makes it confusing.,


In G1 where does optimus Primes trailer go ever time he transforms? How does it appear when he goes back to vehicle mode?
Why does Megatron keep around Starscream and not kill him knowing he will betray him at a moments notice to take his place a ruler of the decepticons?
Why in Robot mode on Cybertron before the pick an earth mode, does every bot look exactly like they do when they appear on earth?


Just like the rest of the TF franshise the movie isn't my any means perfect. It certainly has its flaws. But i do feel that many are digging to find those misperfections, and then letting those simple ones ruin the movie for them.


shamone wrote:- You replied with an insult !


Now see what we just did now? We debated. You brought up points, and i brought a rebutle. Thats how things should work. Should i have insulted you? no. I admit that wasn't the best of moves on my part. I apoligise. But when you give a one liner response that you did, don't expect smiley face as a response. :P
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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby shamone » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:48 am

5150 Cruiser wrote:
shamone wrote:i was simply pointing out that bay doesnt do explanations,



Ahh, but I provided possible explanations for your oringal concerns. Instead of debating those, your response was a one lined insult to Bay.


shamone wrote:for example

- how come soundwave wasnt detected in the atmospehere,


Undetectable by earth radar... He took the place of an MTV satalite... He jamed their dections of him (he is a cominications specialists) There could be several different reasons, but lets be completely honest. How does this impact the plot in any way?


shamone wrote:- no explanation for grinder. Most would have thought that it was blackout, but he died in first movie,


Now this a agree with 100%. I do believe reusing his alt mode and renaming it was a poor choice. It would have been much better to use a completely new alt mode.


shamone wrote:- - Where was the fallen hiding out,


Space! Duh! 8-}

shamone wrote:- - the multiple models of the same decepticons.,


Drones. Even my 60yr old dad got that. Becides, this isn't the first time drones have been used without any formal introduction.



shamone wrote:- Bay almost makes it confusing.,


In G1 where does optimus Primes trailer go ever time he transforms? How does it appear when he goes back to vehicle mode?
Why does Megatron keep around Starscream and not kill him knowing he will betray him at a moments notice to take his place a ruler of the decepticons?
Why in Robot mode on Cybertron before the pick an earth mode, does every bot look exactly like they do when they appear on earth?


Just like the rest of the TF franshise the movie isn't my any means perfect. It certainly has its flaws. But i do feel that many are digging to find those misperfections, and then letting those simple ones ruin the movie for them.


shamone wrote:- You replied with an insult !


Now see what we just did now? We debated. You brought up points, and i brought a rebutle. Thats how things should work. Should i have insulted you? no. I admit that wasn't the best of moves on my part. I apoligise. But when you give a one liner response that you did, don't expect smiley face as a response. :P


the points i make dont affect the storyline, but they managed to take me out of the movie having to work out the logistics of it myself, thus distracting me from the movie. Thats a fatal flaw for any movie.

As for the space answer. But where, what was that cloud thing he lived in. Was it on a planet, a warship, etc. Why didnt the autobots trace them to there, in the years that they have been on earth ?

The drones were not explained. Why no autobot drones.

Now im not looking for you to answer these questions, just highlighting, and there are other examples, of how bay throws things at the screen, and creates a frustration as one wonders what is happening. So thats why i believe silverbolt as shuttle would not be answered just thrown on screen.

as for your last paragraph. i accept you were wrong, fair enough.

However your patronising and condescending tone may be a reason why i may be reluctant to "debate" with you. And "thats how things should work" . I dont know if you are a moderator here, but if you are not then do you think you should really dictate how people communicate here, and if they do so in a manner which you dont approve of then you can insult them.
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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:37 pm

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As for the space answer. But where, what was that cloud thing he lived in. Was it on a planet, a warship, etc.


Umm..its obvious it was an other planet or some type of moon or space body.

The only question is where in the universe its located.

Why didnt the autobots trace them to there, in the years that they have been on earth ?


its a very big universe
The drones were not explained. Why no autobot drones.


maybe the Autobots dont use drones as forced labor.
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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:17 pm

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shamone wrote: the points i make dont affect the storyline, but they managed to take me out of the movie having to work out the logistics of it myself, thus distracting me from the movie. Thats a fatal flaw for any movie.

This makes no sense as you just contradicted yourself. You admit these points have nothing to do, nor affect the storyline in any way, but you say they are a fatal flaw. Which is it?
shamone wrote: As for the space answer. But where, what was that cloud thing he lived in. Was it on a planet, a warship, etc. Why didn't the autobots trace them to there, in the years that they have been on earth ?

See the following...
sto_vo_kor_2000] Umm..its obvious it was an other planet or some type of moon or space body.
The only question is where in the universe its located. [/quote]
See? He sto_vo_kor2000 was able to draw a simple conclusion on his own, as many others have,
Not every point is going to be explained. At some point you need to figure out the obvious on your own. Again, if answer like this bug you so much, then why are you a TF fan? The entire TF universe is filled with them.
[quote="sto_vo_kor_2000] Now im not looking for you to answer these questions,.[/quote] Why? Are you afraid that there might have been an explanation you overlooked? [quote="shamone wrote:
just highlighting, and there are other examples, of how bay throws things at the screen, and creates a frustration as one wonders what is happening. So thats why i believe silverbolt as shuttle would not be answered just thrown on screen.
Now do you think maybe, just maybe had you responded with this explanation in stead of..
"I don't expect an explanation provided its bay"
I might no have responded to your smart ass comment with one of my own? You see how someone might not want to take you seriously?
Anyhow, since your convinced that their will be no explanation as to why silverbolt possible alt mode is a space shuttle, then why even bring it up? And as far as alt mode explanations go, 95% of the time, there has never been any explanations as to why any TF takes on the Alt mode they do. So why is it such a concern for you now?
shamone wrote:However your patronizing and condescending tone may be a reason why i may be reluctant to "debate" with you. And "thats how things should work" . I don't know if you are a moderator here, but if you are not then do you think you should really dictate how people communicate here, and if they do so in a manner which you don't approve of then you can insult them.


Go re-read my original post quoting your questions regarding silver bolt as a shuttle. Please point out were my tone was "patronizing and condescending" as you put it. This started by your inability to respond to an explanation other than another knock at Bay. Again, what kind of response do you expect to receive? And its not my way of communicating. Its common knowledge that if you give a smart ass response, then your going to get one in return.
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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby shamone » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:42 am

5150 Cruiser wrote:
shamone wrote: the points i make dont affect the storyline, but they managed to take me out of the movie having to work out the logistics of it myself, thus distracting me from the movie. Thats a fatal flaw for any movie.

This makes no sense as you just contradicted yourself. You admit these points have nothing to do, nor affect the storyline in any way, but you say they are a fatal flaw. Which is it?
shamone wrote: As for the space answer. But where, what was that cloud thing he lived in. Was it on a planet, a warship, etc. Why didn't the autobots trace them to there, in the years that they have been on earth ?

See the following...
sto_vo_kor_2000] Umm..its obvious it was an other planet or some type of moon or space body.
The only question is where in the universe its located. [/quote]
See? He sto_vo_kor2000 was able to draw a simple conclusion on his own, as many others have,
Not every point is going to be explained. At some point you need to figure out the obvious on your own. Again, if answer like this bug you so much, then why are you a TF fan? The entire TF universe is filled with them.
[quote="sto_vo_kor_2000] Now im not looking for you to answer these questions,.[/quote] Why? Are you afraid that there might have been an explanation you overlooked? [quote="shamone wrote:
just highlighting, and there are other examples, of how bay throws things at the screen, and creates a frustration as one wonders what is happening. So thats why i believe silverbolt as shuttle would not be answered just thrown on screen.
Now do you think maybe, just maybe had you responded with this explanation in stead of..
"I don't expect an explanation provided its bay"
I might no have responded to your smart ass comment with one of my own? You see how someone might not want to take you seriously?
Anyhow, since your convinced that their will be no explanation as to why silverbolt possible alt mode is a space shuttle, then why even bring it up? And as far as alt mode explanations go, 95% of the time, there has never been any explanations as to why any TF takes on the Alt mode they do. So why is it such a concern for you now?
shamone wrote:However your patronizing and condescending tone may be a reason why i may be reluctant to "debate" with you. And "thats how things should work" . I don't know if you are a moderator here, but if you are not then do you think you should really dictate how people communicate here, and if they do so in a manner which you don't approve of then you can insult them.


Go re-read my original post quoting your questions regarding silver bolt as a shuttle. Please point out were my tone was "patronizing and condescending" as you put it. This started by your inability to respond to an explanation other than another knock at Bay. Again, what kind of response do you expect to receive? And its not my way of communicating. Its common knowledge that if you give a smart ass response, then your going to get one in return.


1. its not contradicting myself. yes they are not related to the main plot, however they succeeded in removing the immersiveness one has when watching a movie, thus they are negative aspects.

2. those answers are pure speculation. For what is meant to be a simple movie why have such thrown together elements. hell the fallen himself wasnt even mentioned in the first movie, and suddenly he is the big bad !

3. again you seem to believe that there is a standardised posting here, and if people dont comply with your vision then they are wrong. It is not for you to ask why someone posted this or posted that, its not your concern, so ease up on those who dont meet your posting requirements.

And i quote
"Thats how things should work"

really, really, really


4. Now see what we just did now? We debated. You brought up points, and i brought a rebutle.

I'm sorry but this smacks of patronisation and condescension ! Talking to people as if they are children, or intellectual lightweights is not likely to endear is it. Im not saying you shouldnt do it, but be aware that is patronising if you are not aware of it
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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby PrymeStriker » Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:56 pm

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dirk2243 wrote:could be. Has anyone seen anything on Silverbolt? I haven't seen anything. I'm starting to wonder if it was part of his mis-leading campaing? I would have thought Megatron and Shockwave would have been kept a better secret than Silverbolt?


All I want to see of Silverbolt is how bad*** he's gonna look as a toy and in the movie :grin:
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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby dirk2243 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:09 am

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dirk2243 wrote:could be. Has anyone seen anything on Silverbolt? I haven't seen anything. I'm starting to wonder if it was part of his mis-leading campaing? I would have thought Megatron and Shockwave would have been kept a better secret than Silverbolt?


All I want to see of Silverbolt is how bad*** he's gonna look as a toy and in the movie :grin:


Lets just say, for the sake of a silverbolt toy. ( I personally think Silverbolt is code for Sentinal Prime, but I could be wrong) His toy (if a space shuttle) would be cool, however as a toy his scale would be way off. Even if given a leader class it would be more in scale with the Legends TF's.
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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:23 am

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Gyrotron wrote:
dirk2243 wrote:could be. Has anyone seen anything on Silverbolt? I haven't seen anything. I'm starting to wonder if it was part of his mis-leading campaing? I would have thought Megatron and Shockwave would have been kept a better secret than Silverbolt?


All I want to see of Silverbolt is how bad*** he's gonna look as a toy and in the movie :grin:


Lets just say, for the sake of a silverbolt toy. ( I personally think Silverbolt is code for Sentinal Prime, but I could be wrong) His toy (if a space shuttle) would be cool, however as a toy his scale would be way off. Even if given a leader class it would be more in scale with the Legends TF's.


I'm thinkin' more G1 alt mode but we'll see.
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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby Takanuva » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:07 pm

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Not to be a kill-joy but I think Silverbolt's not going to be in the movie...
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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby Starscream GaGa » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:14 pm

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Silverbolt is not in the movie. This was fact ages ago. Now the movie is out and many of us have seen it (including me), Silverbolt speculation needs to die.
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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby Starscream GaGa » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:17 pm

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Silverbolt is, of course, not in the movie.
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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby Red 50 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:52 pm

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Starscream GaGa wrote:Silverbolt is, of course, not in the movie.


He wasn't, was he?

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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby Autobot Megatron » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:34 pm

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If he isn't in the movie, could it have been a slight mistake, and could he actually appear in Prime? I'm probably really over thinking this, but still...
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Re: Silverbolt: A Seeker?

Postby Spleenzorio » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:34 pm

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He is in the DOTM game, in the level where you play as Starscream and you are flying after Stratusphere. You end up killing him along with Breakaway and Air Raid.
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