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Re: Simon Furman Talks Transformers Regeneration One

Postby Marcdachamp » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:34 am

Starscream GaGa wrote:When I say first place, I mean FIRST place. Wildman's art was trash back then to. Nostalgia or not, I don't think anyone with eyes can say he's a good artist.


I must be blind then, because my two framed pieces of original Wildman art look pretty gorgeous to me.
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Re: Simon Furman Talks Transformers Regeneration One

Postby Clayface » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:13 am

Darth Bombshell wrote:I get the feeling you're comparing his art style to the style of the artists of today. And I ask you...why? Of course he isn't going to look good if you compare his work to the artists of today.


Yeah, it doesn't look good compared to the artists of today, it looks better. I'm sorry, but Wildman's designs and level of detail blows away a lot of what we've gotten from the ongoing for the past couple year (blank backgrounds, hideous robot designs, etc).
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Re: Simon Furman Talks Transformers Regeneration One

Postby Windsweeper » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:08 pm

I can't wait for this. I grew up on Marvel Uk but I do have reservations about Wildman's art, especially since we've been spoiled over the years by the likes of Figuera (I know, i can't remember how his name is spelt), Milne, Raiz and Roche. However, I can understand the nostalgia, I'm getting it just looking at the sample art.

As for who cares about the Headmasters? Scorponok was one of my favourite characters so if there's a sensible way to bring him back, then I'm all for it. Highbrow and Hardhead too. Hosehead would intrigue me because he never had his Headmaster origin shown.

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Re: Simon Furman Talks Transformers Regeneration One

Postby Windsweeper » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:10 pm

Slag it, double post.
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Re: Simon Furman Talks Transformers Regeneration One

Postby Mat001 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:53 pm

michael alex kawa wrote:There is so many problems and holes in what Simon Furman has said i don't know where to begin :BANG_HEAD: .As anyone who knows me i hate the 21 years in the future already ,and Optimus having his (very familiar ) G1 body ,not his "Action Master " ( in appearance ) body he had in issue #80 .


The twenty one years allows for Generation 2 and for Optimus to be back to his old self. We know that if the original series had continued, the Action Master process would've been reversed to allow for the Generation 2 designs.

If Prime and Megatron has any type of confrontation ,then there is NO POSSIBLE (No matter your opinions on when the two series took place ) WAY TO CONNECT RG1 to G2 ,don't believe me ,then read G2 (not scan READ ) and tell me this is not one big hole .


You'll have to wait and see how Furman addresses it.

Now about the art ,i am a big fan BIG FAN of Wildman/Baskerville ,but the art so far looks like some amateur copied there style ,there is none of that detail i came to love from the team .I guess Rumble :CON: (Frenzy ? :CON:) decided to grow in the 21 years .Andrew claimed on his blog that IDW sent him some "More Then Meets the Eye" -Profile books from Dreamwave to give him some reference material ,and it shows .I don't know what he used back in the day (i tried to ask on his blog but you know artist) ,but i wish he would go back to his old ways .I feel he has become very lazy ,his other works coming out this year like "Horizon" look awesome ,but i feel his heart is not in to RG1 .


Doesn't read that way in his interviews.

I really hate to say this but maybe we (fans that signed the petition ,like me ) should of just let it be ,cause signing it was a big mistake .That Rumble :CON: (Frenzy :CON: ) is really bugging me ,so is the whole Headmaster thing ,i kind of see what he is getting at (IE - What about the original heads of the Headmasters, still on Nebulos? ) ,yes unanswered ,but yes resolved by The UK Annual from 1988 , -From the TFwiki -"Although it is explained that the Nebulans turn into heads that only resemble the original heads of the Headmaster Autobots, and that the original heads maintain radio contact with their Nebulan partners, the original miniseries never mentions what becomes of the original heads. However, "The Final Conflict" in the 1988 UK annual showed that Fortress Maximus, at least, stored his original head in a chest compartment" -http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Broken_Glass%21 ,plus does anyone care ,and does Fort Max still have his head while Spike (not Galen) is in control .Which brings up one more issue ,i believe that humans will age in the book by what Simon says ,and the character Circuit Smasher (look at one of the pics from the article ) seems to be Circuit Breakers son (does Marvel know ) or did she get a sex change ??? sneaky way to use an other company's character .Well so much for my rant ,i know a lot of people ( included me ) that could of done the continuation better ,we may have the skill ,but we don't have the name SIMON FURMAN .


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Re: Simon Furman Talks Transformers Regeneration One

Postby Marcdachamp » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:55 pm

michael alex kawa wrote:There is so many problems and holes in what Simon Furman has said i don't know where to begin :BANG_HEAD: .As anyone who knows me i hate the 21 years in the future already ,and Optimus having his (very familiar ) G1 body ,not his "Action Master " ( in appearance ) body he had in issue #80 .If Prime and Megatron has any type of confrontation ,then there is NO POSSIBLE (No matter your opinions on when the two series took place ) WAY TO CONNECT RG1 to G2 ,don't believe me ,then read G2 (not scan READ ) and tell me this is not one big hole .Now about the art ,i am a big fan BIG FAN of Wildman/Baskerville ,but the art so far looks like some amateur copied there style ,there is none of that detail i came to love from the team .I guess Rumble :CON: (Frenzy ? :CON:) decided to grow in the 21 years .Andrew claimed on his blog that IDW sent him some "More Then Meets the Eye" -Profile books from Dreamwave to give him some reference material ,and it shows .I don't know what he used back in the day (i tried to ask on his blog but you know artist) ,but i wish he would go back to his old ways .I feel he has become very lazy ,his other works coming out this year like "Horizon" look awesome ,but i feel his heart is not in to RG1 .I really hate to say this but maybe we (fans that signed the petition ,like me ) should of just let it be ,cause signing it was a big mistake .That Rumble :CON: (Frenzy :CON: ) is really bugging me ,so is the whole Headmaster thing ,i kind of see what he is getting at (IE - What about the original heads of the Headmasters, still on Nebulos? ) ,yes unanswered ,but yes resolved by The UK Annual from 1988 , -From the TFwiki -"Although it is explained that the Nebulans turn into heads that only resemble the original heads of the Headmaster Autobots, and that the original heads maintain radio contact with their Nebulan partners, the original miniseries never mentions what becomes of the original heads. However, "The Final Conflict" in the 1988 UK annual showed that Fortress Maximus, at least, stored his original head in a chest compartment" -http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Broken_Glass%21 ,plus does anyone care ,and does Fort Max still have his head while Spike (not Galen) is in control .Which brings up one more issue ,i believe that humans will age in the book by what Simon says ,and the character Circuit Smasher (look at one of the pics from the article ) seems to be Circuit Breakers son (does Marvel know ) or did she get a sex change ??? sneaky way to use an other company's character .Well so much for my rant ,i know a lot of people ( included me ) that could of done the continuation better ,we may have the skill ,but we don't have the name SIMON FURMAN .


Well, I don't work for IDW, but let's say we have two people looking for a job writing this comic. We'll call them Person A and Person B. Person A is the original series writer. Additionally, Person A has a lot of experience writing for the brand, and has a history with the company.

Now, let's take a look at Person B. Person B has never worked for IDW, never had any published Transformers work, and displays a tenuous grasp on the use of grammar.

Who would you hire?
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Re: Simon Furman Talks Transformers Regeneration One

Postby Mat001 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:20 pm

That and the fact is that Furman and Budinsky (sp) were the two main writers for the Marvel series. The latter has no desire to continue, while the former does. And since the whole point of "Regeneration One" is to finish the storyline of that continiuity, who better than the guy who was writing the book?
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Re: Simon Furman Talks Transformers Regeneration One

Postby wordmongerer » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:15 pm

michael alex kawa wrote:If Prime and Megatron has any type of confrontation ,then there is NO POSSIBLE (No matter your opinions on when the two series took place ) WAY TO CONNECT RG1 to G2 ,don't believe me ,then read G2 (not scan READ ) and tell me this is not one big hole.


Furman has stated in many places that this is a continuation of G1 and so the events of G2 did not take place in this continuation (or perhaps not yet), however that does not mean that the themes and characters of G2 can't be used, and obviously Jhiaxus is shown in the preview as well as the TF's emerging from Cybertron, so that's already 2 G2 nods. I love G2 and I can understand that the decision to bypass G2 will disappoint some but the petition was for G1 issue 81 not G2 issue 13. Plugging the gaps between the two wouldn't make very interesting reading either as the conclusions would all be forgone. Also G2 was far less widely read than G1, the toys less widely available. The G2 story will always be on my bookshelf and I'll always be able to enjoy it though.

Andrew claimed on his blog that IDW sent him some "More Then Meets the Eye" -Profile books from Dreamwave to give him some reference material ,and it shows .


Actually you can see on his blog that his drawing table is covered in the original trade paperbacks and the original Transformers Universe guide. This is very clear in the flashback's shown, even down to things like Prime's head attached to a machine that looks identical to the one Shockwave used in the first few issues. But any characters appearing in present day can look however they need to be interpreted and that will include characters that never appeared in the original comics or G2 so the MTMTE guides would be the only comic book style source material available.

i kind of see what he is getting at (IE - What about the original heads of the Headmasters, still on Nebulos? ) ,yes unanswered ,but yes resolved by The UK Annual from 1988 , -From the TFwiki -"Although it is explained that the Nebulans turn into heads that only resemble the original heads of the Headmaster Autobots, and that the original heads maintain radio contact with their Nebulan partners, the original miniseries never mentions what becomes of the original heads. However, "The Final Conflict" in the 1988 UK annual showed that Fortress Maximus, at least, stored his original head in a chest compartment"


The UK comics while they tried for some time to sync with the UK comic had huge chunks of stuff that didn't agree with the US comic. As this is directly following the US run, if it wasn't established there the same pick and choose from UK G1 continuity would apply. I just went through the 1988 UK annual and I can't see the reference to the original heads. Also after a few years of connection, why would it be assumed that they could easily go back? Prime's powermaster process ended up having a merging effect and unexpected consequences after a few short years after all.

According to the third issue of All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z's entries on Death's Head, the events of the Marvel UK Generation 1 comics take place on Marvel Earth-120185. The universe is named after the publication date of the first Marvel UK-exclusive story, "Man of Iron". According to the Marvel Universe Appendix, the events of the Marvel US comics take place on Marvel Earth-91274. So even Marvel consider these 2 strands as not being dependant on one another.


the character Circuit Smasher (look at one of the pics from the article ) seems to be Circuit Breakers son


He isn't. It wouldn't make any sense for a child to inherit technology that she herself wasn't born with. They aren't the same character either.

Before judging who could have written this better I think its fair to say that you'd actually need to have read the comic. Having read some, I don't think anyone could have written this better
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Re: Simon Furman Talks Transformers Regeneration One

Postby michael alex kawa » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:34 am

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Great points from all (especially on my bad grammar :P ) .But i still feel that the art looks rushed and not up to Wildman standards ,he is my favorite Transformers artist (if you don't count comics from Japan ;) ) ,and i am just not feeling it .I should wait till i read the whole run ,and by the way ,i am not going to buy the first issue ,since it is .....FREE :lol: :lol: :)) :DANCE:
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Re: Simon Furman Talks Transformers Regeneration One

Postby F Prime » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:55 pm

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michael alex kawa wrote:If Prime and Megatron has any type of confrontation ,then there is NO POSSIBLE (No matter your opinions on when the two series took place ) WAY TO CONNECT RG1 to G2 ,don't believe me ,then read G2 (not scan READ ) and tell me this is not one big hole.


Furman has stated in many places that this is a continuation of G1 and so the events of G2 did not take place in this continuation (or perhaps not yet), however that does not mean that the themes and characters of G2 can't be used, and obviously Jhiaxus is shown in the preview as well as the TF's emerging from Cybertron, so that's already 2 G2 nods. I love G2 and I can understand that the decision to bypass G2 will disappoint some but the petition was for G1 issue 81 not G2 issue 13. Plugging the gaps between the two wouldn't make very interesting reading either as the conclusions would all be forgone. Also G2 was far less widely read than G1, the toys less widely available. The G2 story will always be on my bookshelf and I'll always be able to enjoy it though.


Well said.

wordmongerer wrote:It wouldn't make any sense for a child to inherit technology that she herself wasn't born with. They aren't the same character either.


Do we know anything about this character other than the name? I wouldn't assume it's her son, but I wouldn't count it out, either. Couldn't Josie make a suit for her son (or anyone she wants...at least, I don't think you *had* to be paraplegic to use it.)
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