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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby MINDVVIPE » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:33 pm

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Wait..so... this is supposed to be a reboot... but theres going to be Cullen, so prime will be there. Its using the last 3 movies as the history... does he even know what a reboot is? Sounds like ass already due to his attitude on the whole thing. He makes it very clear in the start that its about money (I don't buy this whole "someone else will screw it up" bs). More like, someone else will make all that money. Whata phoney.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby BeastProwl » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:41 pm

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What I gathered from that is, "My last 3 made alot of cash, and this next one will too, and I might stop after the fourth one. I might."

Wow. And he wants it to basically be a sequel too. What the hell. He killed off everyone that could be a threat, so how's this even going to work?
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby TulioDude » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:48 pm

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I'm so glad, i feared that Optimus would not return.But he is :DANCE:


And for the first time we know a little about the setting of the next film.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby LiKwid » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:28 pm

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And someone could come in here and screw it up, you know?


Yeah!!, Because He did it all right.!!!
How much can someone else screw it up?


All im gonna say is..At least Uwe Boll didn't direct the first 3...
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby Chandler Prime 1 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:26 pm

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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:26 pm

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So...no reboot, but a new cast of (human and TF) characters, but Prime stays due to his iconic status, and because Peter Cullen rulz! 8)

So long as they keep the storytelling at least on par with or hopefully above DOTM, I've got no complaints. The action's been consistently good/decent in all three films.

Oh, and keep the military involvement down to DOTM levels, and no more almighty bombing raids.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby Megatron Wolf » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:47 pm

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what i took out of this is prime is going to continue to be a shelf warmer, bay is a greedy little kid, everything to do with these movies is made as they go with no planing at all about the future, & the franchise is still screwed.


Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Bubbah wrote:As for who to have the problem with, the general public doesn't realize what he's doing to the franchise, hell they think it's all based off a cartoon from the 80's. I would absolutely blame him for the mocking, not the people who go see it, because frankly they don't know better, which is sad.

Mr. Bay, I apologize, you're not an idiot ... You're a giant douche.

What exactly is he doing that's a problem? Making Transformers more popular than it's ever been? In what twisted universe is that a bad thing?


Apparently you havent realized yet that 9 times out of 10 going mainstream either kills or slowly kills franchises & genres. More people on board isnt always a good thing. Before the movies was there ever a time where people complained about overpricing, low quality, not being able to find something or having to deal with scalpers every time something comes out? No and why is that, because it wasnt mainstream and only fans and people who stumbled upon it knew about it. It wasnt until the movies that the franchise was thrown into disarray & hasbros greed was flamed to new heights. The franchise as a whole was way better off before bay got his grubby little hands on it and the mainstream morons were mad aware of our beloved franchise. Now if Transformes were to go through cycles like Star Wars & the various comic book properties do then it would be golden but forcing it to stay mainstream is slowly killing it. Like ive been saying Transformers needs a break and needs to take a year or two off and then be started up again from scratch. Thats the only way this franchise is going to be put back on track, either that or fire every one whos involved with it right now. Either way something needs to be done anew.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby Trikeboy » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:58 pm

Ok, I'll say it. I quite like the first and third movies. The second one sucked but that is what happens when you start shooting a movie without a script then get someone to write one really quick. The final battle in Chicago was awesome. I really enjoyed it.

That being said, Fall of Cybertron was a much better movie than all three MB movies combined. It was also interactive. I would love to see the Ark battle from that game on the big screen. That was epic. Paramount should reach out to the writers of that game for the Transformers 4 script, then hire Joss Whedon to direct it.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby DevastaTTor » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:00 pm

Super, more movie Primes and Bumblebees on the way. More money for third party offerings I suppose.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby Mkall » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:12 pm

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Meh.

Haters will hate. Fans will be fans. Cullen is Prime. I'm going to wait and see.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby Ultra Markus » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:18 pm

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And someone could come in here and screw it up, you know?

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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:39 pm

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Megatron Wolf wrote:what i took out of this is prime is going to continue to be a shelf warmer, bay is a greedy little kid, everything to do with these movies is made as they go with no planing at all about the future, & the franchise is still screwed.


Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Bubbah wrote:As for who to have the problem with, the general public doesn't realize what he's doing to the franchise, hell they think it's all based off a cartoon from the 80's. I would absolutely blame him for the mocking, not the people who go see it, because frankly they don't know better, which is sad.

Mr. Bay, I apologize, you're not an idiot ... You're a giant douche.

What exactly is he doing that's a problem? Making Transformers more popular than it's ever been? In what twisted universe is that a bad thing?


Apparently you havent realized yet that 9 times out of 10 going mainstream either kills or slowly kills franchises & genres. More people on board isnt always a good thing. Before the movies was there ever a time where people complained about overpricing, low quality, not being able to find something or having to deal with scalpers every time something comes out? No and why is that, because it wasnt mainstream and only fans and people who stumbled upon it knew about it. It wasnt until the movies that the franchise was thrown into disarray & hasbros greed was flamed to new heights. The franchise as a whole was way better off before bay got his grubby little hands on it and the mainstream morons were mad aware of our beloved franchise. Now if Transformes were to go through cycles like Star Wars & the various comic book properties do then it would be golden but forcing it to stay mainstream is slowly killing it. Like ive been saying Transformers needs a break and needs to take a year or two off and then be started up again from scratch. Thats the only way this franchise is going to be put back on track, either that or fire every one whos involved with it right now. Either way something needs to be done anew.

You're right. Batman, Spider-Man, X-men, Superman, TMNT, and Resident Evil all faded away into obscurity after they had movies released. Those franchises are dead and gone.

The only problems with the franchise now are due to the global economic situation and Hasbro's mind boggling incompetence. You can't find a Vehicon? Then ask Hasbro why they put an awesome figure that also happens to be an army builder 1 per case. The deluxe figures are getting smaller and more expensive? So is everything else.

I know what you're going to say next, so I'll go ahead respond to that. "Bay made Bumblebee popular and we're stuck with unnecessary Bumblebee figures everywhere." True, Bumblebee became popular because of the movies. However it's Hasbro's fault again for overestimating his popularity. 1 Bumblebee per series is fine, we don't need 2 or 3 different molds and several repaint every year.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby OptiMagnus » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:40 pm

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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby T-Macksimus » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:05 pm

Well, what I get out of this is that there are a lot of a**holes in the fan community that think they know what's going on and think they are any less of a douchebag than Bay is and are totally f'ing wrong.
Seriously, some of you guys are complete dicks, you read way more into one clip than anyone has any right or ability to be able to do and you should be ashamed of yourselves because people like you are the reason that the rest of society thinks that TF fans are bigger pricks than Trek and Star Wars fans COMBINED! The sad part is, they're right.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby MINDVVIPE » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:24 pm

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T-Macksimus wrote:Well, what I get out of this is that there are a lot of a**holes in the fan community that think they know what's going on and think they are any less of a douchebag than Bay is and are totally f'ing wrong.
Seriously, some of you guys are complete dicks, you read way more into one clip than anyone has any right or ability to be able to do and you should be ashamed of yourselves because people like you are the reason that the rest of society thinks that TF fans are bigger pricks than Trek and Star Wars fans COMBINED! The sad part is, they're right.


Yet, you're the first person to attack the fans (and fellow posters) rather than just state your own view on the subject at hand.... Now who's the prick?

Take your hurt feeling elsewhere.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:33 pm

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MINDVVIPE wrote:
T-Macksimus wrote:Well, what I get out of this is that there are a lot of a**holes in the fan community that think they know what's going on and think they are any less of a douchebag than Bay is and are totally f'ing wrong.
Seriously, some of you guys are complete dicks, you read way more into one clip than anyone has any right or ability to be able to do and you should be ashamed of yourselves because people like you are the reason that the rest of society thinks that TF fans are bigger pricks than Trek and Star Wars fans COMBINED! The sad part is, they're right.


Yet, you're the first person to attack the fans (and fellow posters) rather than just state your own view on the subject at hand.... Now who's the prick?

Take your hurt feeling elsewhere.

He's got a point though. Some people in this fandom get their panties in a wad over the most trivial stuff and start running off at the keyboard without any thought or reason behind it.

Seriously, death threats because Optimus has flames says it all.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby MINDVVIPE » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:39 pm

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Evil_the_Nub wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:
T-Macksimus wrote:Well, what I get out of this is that there are a lot of a**holes in the fan community that think they know what's going on and think they are any less of a douchebag than Bay is and are totally f'ing wrong.
Seriously, some of you guys are complete dicks, you read way more into one clip than anyone has any right or ability to be able to do and you should be ashamed of yourselves because people like you are the reason that the rest of society thinks that TF fans are bigger pricks than Trek and Star Wars fans COMBINED! The sad part is, they're right.


Yet, you're the first person to attack the fans (and fellow posters) rather than just state your own view on the subject at hand.... Now who's the prick?

Take your hurt feeling elsewhere.

He's got a point though. Some people in this fandom get their panties in a wad over the most trivial stuff and start running off at the keyboard without any thought or reason behind it.

Seriously, death threats because Optimus has flames says it all.


Who gives a ****, its not like anyone is going to even leave their basement to find a weapon and track down michael bay. Retaliating to an angry poster is beyond pointless. It just seems like a power trip and nothing else. (Don't bother pointing it out, my reply is different; A hope to slow the derailment of the thread)

As someone mentioned, they need a Transformers CGI movie that spawned from the story writers from HIGH MOON, and maybe the author of the books, as I've heard good things about them.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby reluctantyouth » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:28 pm

:michaelbay: Bay will make a lot of dough regardless. Being compared to the likes of Jackson and Cameron in the interview is a complete joke...could you boost the guys ego anymore than it already has been? :michaelbay: When it comes to all fandoms there are pricks in every set...bashing each other solves nothing. I have as much respect for the Trekers and Star Wars fans as the TF fans. If Bay wants to do this movie right...then the inevitable has to happen...kill Bumblebee in the opening sequence! :CON: Bring in Hot Shot or add some beasts to the bunch and bring in Cheetor. We need a young new hothead in the group with a lot to learn that is not just comic relief. Optimus needs to age a bit...not falling apart like Jetfire but enough to show he has battle scars. Bring in the rest of the seekers and have a new leader emerge among them. Give the Autobots some damn air support...I want to see Sky Linx. There are so many things that can be done. As far as the :CON: leader goes...well I'd hate to see Galvatron...but Bay doesn't have much of an imagination.

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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby MINDVVIPE » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:42 pm

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reluctantyouth wrote::michaelbay: Bay will make a lot of dough regardless. Being compared to the likes of Jackson and Cameron in the interview is a complete joke...could you boost the guys ego anymore than it already has been? :michaelbay: When it comes to all fandoms there are pricks in every set...bashing each other solves nothing. I have as much respect for the Trekers and Star Wars fans as the TF fans. If Bay wants to do this movie right...then the inevitable has to happen...kill Bumblebee in the opening sequence! :CON: Bring in Hot Shot or add some beasts to the bunch and bring in Cheetor. We need a young new hothead in the group with a lot to learn that is not just comic relief. Optimus needs to age a bit...not falling apart like Jetfire but enough to show he has battle scars. Bring in the rest of the seekers and have a new leader emerge among them. Give the Autobots some damn air support...I want to see Sky Linx. There are so many things that can be done. As far as the :CON: leader goes...well I'd hate to see Galvatron...but Bay doesn't have much of an imagination.

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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby MINDVVIPE » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:43 pm

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reluctantyouth wrote::michaelbay: Bay will make a lot of dough regardless. Being compared to the likes of Jackson and Cameron in the interview is a complete joke...could you boost the guys ego anymore than it already has been? :michaelbay: When it comes to all fandoms there are pricks in every set...bashing each other solves nothing. I have as much respect for the Trekers and Star Wars fans as the TF fans. If Bay wants to do this movie right...then the inevitable has to happen...kill Bumblebee in the opening sequence! :CON: Bring in Hot Shot or add some beasts to the bunch and bring in Cheetor. We need a young new hothead in the group with a lot to learn that is not just comic relief. Optimus needs to age a bit...not falling apart like Jetfire but enough to show he has battle scars. Bring in the rest of the seekers and have a new leader emerge among them. Give the Autobots some damn air support...I want to see Sky Linx. There are so many things that can be done. As far as the :CON: leader goes...well I'd hate to see Galvatron...but Bay doesn't have much of an imagination.


Also would love to see the following:

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Trypticon or Metroplex or Omega Supreme

:APPLAUSE:
I'd like to see Galvatron, but only if he is done right.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby BATTOUSAIXD » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:55 pm

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I'm glad to see Peter Cullen is returning. I do hope they tone down Prime's eagerness for violence a little bit though. I'm fine with him being a warrior and all but I'd rather ripping heads and appendages off be a last resort and not hear him say "Give me your face," "We'll kill them all," and "You die!" So, basically how he was in the first movie.

I don't know why they haven't just said it is a sequel all along. It's obviously not a reboot and if it picks up from Chicago, then it doesn't seem to be a reinvention or whatever else has been suggested. Anyway I'm all for another movie(s), though I doubt any will be better than the first for me, it got me back interested in Transformers and into collecting in general. And I'm ready to hear some info on the premise and villians of TF 4!
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby Burn » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:01 am

Evil_the_Nub wrote:The only problems with the franchise now are due to the global economic situation and Hasbro's mind boggling incompetence. You can't find a Vehicon? Then ask Hasbro why they put an awesome figure that also happens to be an army builder 1 per case. The deluxe figures are getting smaller and more expensive? So is everything else.


The other thing you need to factor in too is change in buying habits.

A lot of people are moving their shopping online. Shopping for your kid? Do it from home, you don't have to go running from store to store to find a particular toy, or worse, have to drag the kids along and let them see what they're getting.

People seem to forget all this and just scream "BAY IS TEH EVIL!". Get over it people and look at the bigger picture.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby User897 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:32 am

So it's just going to be more of the same old **** with flashy "new" characters to try and distract us into liking it. Again.

I'm so glad I sold off all of my movie toys.

Aside from Masterpiece Optimus Prime, Masterpiece Soundwave, and maybe one or two others, it looks like I'm going to continue saving a lot of money. Between what HasBLO is doing to Star Wars and Transformers, and more Bay crap on the way, I can concentrate on getting good toys.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:50 am

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reluctantyouth wrote::michaelbay: Bay will make a lot of dough regardless. Being compared to the likes of Jackson and Cameron in the interview is a complete joke...could you boost the guys ego anymore than it already has been? :michaelbay: When it comes to all fandoms there are pricks in every set...bashing each other solves nothing. I have as much respect for the Trekers and Star Wars fans as the TF fans. If Bay wants to do this movie right...then the inevitable has to happen...kill Bumblebee in the opening sequence! :CON: Bring in Hot Shot or add some beasts to the bunch and bring in Cheetor. We need a young new hothead in the group with a lot to learn that is not just comic relief. Optimus needs to age a bit...not falling apart like Jetfire but enough to show he has battle scars. Bring in the rest of the seekers and have a new leader emerge among them. Give the Autobots some damn air support...I want to see Sky Linx. There are so many things that can be done. As far as the :CON: leader goes...well I'd hate to see Galvatron...but Bay doesn't have much of an imagination.

:APPLAUSE:
I'd like to see Galvatron, but only if he is done right.
Also would love to see the following:

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Headmasters
Trypticon or Metroplex or Omega Supreme


I agree with the majority of what you guys say, but the "kill Bumblebee" thing might not be feasible.

Hasbro might be reluctant to kill off Bumblebee, who (they think, at least) is a massive cash cow and by now an iconic kid appeal character.

I've like to see and end to Bee, though. As much as I like his updated design in the movie, his radio voice thing is really starting to get old. Especially now that it's starting to influence the other mediums like the Prime series and video games.

MINDVVIPE wrote:As someone mentioned, they need a Transformers CGI movie that spawned from the story writers from HIGH MOON, and maybe the author of the books, as I've heard good things about them.


If only.

Bay loves to do his comedy thing, and the WFC/FOC and novels are pretty somber and serious. His brand of jokes might not blend in too well with the kind of story the games and novels tell.

Just my two cents' worth.
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Re: Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Postby redoutlander » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:54 am

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BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'm glad to see Peter Cullen is returning. I do hope they tone down Prime's eagerness for violence a little bit though. I'm fine with him being a warrior and all but I'd rather ripping heads and appendages off be a last resort and not hear him say "Give me your face," "We'll kill them all," and "You die!" So, basically how he was in the first movie.

I don't know why they haven't just said it is a sequel all along. It's obviously not a reboot and if it picks up from Chicago, then it doesn't seem to be a reinvention or whatever else has been suggested. Anyway I'm all for another movie(s), though I doubt any will be better than the first for me, it got me back interested in Transformers and into collecting in general. And I'm ready to hear some info on the premise and villians of TF 4!


You hit it there! I think that that Prime loosing his boy scout hero to a fault personality hurt me the most. The Prime I know would bend down and give Megatron a hand up after a fight. But i learned that Bayformers isn't the Transformers I grew up with. It's another story that happens to be based on Transformers. It's the same thing Hollywood does with all material. it was the 2007 movie that got me back into Transformers (or at least the initial pre movie buzz) and I think more fans are good. I just feel that there could be wiser choices made if the responsible parties focused on something a little more honorable than the bottom line.
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