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The House Judiciary Committee will postpone consideration of the legislation until there is wider agreement on a solution.

And by that, they mean they'll try to slip it in 6-12 months later when everybody forgets and the SOPA buzz has died down.

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Jesterhead wrote:And by that, they mean they'll try to slip it in 6-12 months later when everybody forgets and the SOPA buzz has died down.

From what I read they may just try to slip it in with the anti-child porn bill that's coming up.

And no one's going to oppose an anti-child porn bill.

Burn wrote:

Jesterhead wrote:And by that, they mean they'll try to slip it in 6-12 months later when everybody forgets and the SOPA buzz has died down.

From what I read they may just try to slip it in with the anti-child porn bill that's coming up.

And no one's going to oppose an anti-child porn bill.

People are already serving hard time for child porn, what's a new bill going to do?

EDIT: Good Lord, "Hard Time" was the worst possible choice of words. Serving time in prison.

A relevant, and killer track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyOw6bWy8X8

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:

Jesterhead wrote:And by that, they mean they'll try to slip it in 6-12 months later when everybody forgets and the SOPA buzz has died down.

From what I read they may just try to slip it in with the anti-child porn bill that's coming up.

And no one's going to oppose an anti-child porn bill.

People are already serving hard time for child porn, what's a new bill going to do?

EDIT: Good Lord, "Hard Time" was the worst possible choice of words. Serving time in prison.

Edit: Actually I looked it up. H.R.1981? It's supposed to keep kids who have... well you know, from having their information on the internet. Child and witness protection stuff for the most part. Also fighting money laundering. If this is the one mentioned, I'll do a little research and keep watching to see if they try shit.

Don't forget SOPA can slipped in with something else or they can overrule the president. THIS IS NOT A VICTORY! And also do not forget about PIPA and S.978 which are still out there.

Also what with MegaUpload down it means no more TV Nihon for my brother. He's kinda infuriated.

Vicalliose wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:

Jesterhead wrote:And by that, they mean they'll try to slip it in 6-12 months later when everybody forgets and the SOPA buzz has died down.

From what I read they may just try to slip it in with the anti-child porn bill that's coming up.

And no one's going to oppose an anti-child porn bill.

People are already serving hard time for child porn, what's a new bill going to do?

EDIT: Good Lord, "Hard Time" was the worst possible choice of words. Serving time in prison.

Edit: Actually I looked it up. H.R.1981? It's supposed to keep kids who have... well you know, from having their information on the internet. Child and witness protection stuff for the most part. Also fighting money laundering. If this is the one mentioned, I'll do a little research and keep watching to see if they try shit.

Don't forget SOPA can slipped in with something else or they can overrule the president. THIS IS NOT A VICTORY! And also do not forget about PIPA and S.978 which are still out there.

Also what with MegaUpload down it means no more TV Nihon for my brother. He's kinda infuriated.

SOPA could be slipped in with pretty much any other legislation, but its not over yet. The awareness of this bill is now to the point where its being covered in the mainstream media worldwide (BBC even had an article about it in yesterdays lunchtime news) and this will make it much harder to get to slipped through under the radar, even if crowbarred into an unrelated anti- child-porn bill, with the likes of Google, Reddit and Wikipedia watching.

The other thing that the Americans can do is work remove those responsible for this bill from Congress such as Lamar Smith (Also the bill sponsor for H.R.1981). Why would you want someone that's so easily bought by Hollywood representing you, especially when you know that he is only representing whoever pays him the most?

Short of massive political upheaval or an upper limit to amounts that can be 'donated' through bill sponsorship that's really the only long term solution, but its something Amnerica as a whole needs to change, the netizens alone may not be enough.

Vicalliose wrote:Don't forget SOPA can slipped in with something else or they can overrule the president. THIS IS NOT A VICTORY! And also do not forget about PIPA and S.978 which are still out there.

First off, SOPA hasn't even gotten to the point where it would need to be signed by the president; you can't overrule someone who hasn't even done anything yet. Second, PIPA is exactly as dead as SOPA is.

And S.978 is an amendment to an already-existing bill, about people making money off of streaming copyrighted content.

Vicalliose wrote:Also what with MegaUpload down it means no more TV Nihon for my brother. He's kinda infuriated.

You know they have their own site, right? He never needed to go through Megaupload for that.

In other news, the 'net is starting to strike back in slightly more constructive ways.

Investment Firm Y Combinator Goes on Offensive Against Hollywood wrote:After the Stop Online Piracy Act and Protect Intellectual Property Act were shelved on Friday, some Web sites and venture capitalists went on the offensive against the people and companies behind the controversial piracy bills.

No idea how effective this will be, when Hollywood began there weren't any copyrighting laws so it was far easier, so isn't a resource these guys have available to them, but I wish them well and will support them any way I can.

This also amused me,

We the people wrote:Investigate Chris Dodd and the MPAA for bribery after he publicly admited to bribing politicans to pass legislation

Needs a few more names on it...


And finally,
Maddox, in probably one of the best SOPA blackout pages on the ney, makes a pseudo-anarchic but very relevant point. (NSFW language, because Maddox)

Shadowman wrote:First off, SOPA hasn't even gotten to the point where it would need to be signed by the president; you can't overrule someone who hasn't even done anything yet. Second, PIPA is exactly as dead as SOPA is.

I had gotten the impression he'd already vetoed it, but I've been out of the loop for a while so I'm assuming that was just Bull***t being spread around that I should not have listened to. But yeah SOPA has been dragged through the mud. Though considering what Happened to MegaUpload it shows there's already something seriously wrong with how our government views and enforces copyright infringement. Also I wouldn't exactly call SOPA "dead", it's currently lying dormant until a "consensus" can be made and will be brought up for debate later on. No amendments have been made and only three people have pulled from backing the bill.

Shadowman wrote:You know they have their own site, right? He never needed to go through Megaupload for that.

They hosted most of their content there according to him. I wouldn't know since I've never been there anyway.

Shadowman wrote:And S.978 is an amendment to an already-existing bill, about people making money off of streaming copyrighted content.

Define "profit." Edit: So I read the "amendment" on the Library of Congress and yes it really does not amount to much of anything. Yet people talk about it like it's the bill itself... This line here is what bugs me.

Library_of_Congress wrote: `(B)(i) the total retail value of the performances, or the total economic value of such public performances to the infringer or to the copyright owner, would exceed $2,500; or

`(ii) the total fair market value of licenses to offer performances of those works would exceed $5,000;';

Maybe I'm not reading this right, but it seems as though it does not matter whether or not the person is directly making profit off of the streamed content or not.