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Postby dragons » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:43 pm

i signed 1 oe 2 others need home adress i wasnt doing that or web site
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Postby Megatron Wolf » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:46 pm

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Good move posting this and getting it on the front page, every one here needs to know about this cause this will pretty much destroy the internet for us all. I wont go into another long winded rant as to why i think these bills are bullshit but i will say this pretty much goes against the constitution and the rights we're suppose to have as americans. Last time i checked this is the USA the land of the free not Soviet Russia or North Korea. I support seibertron.com and any other website blacking themselves out to protest. I just hope theres enough sites and people protesting to make sure this does not happen.
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Postby Alex Jones » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:55 pm

If any members on this board is of voting age, I would highly recommend asking potential politicians about their stance on this bill and register to vote.

Also I would also if you are eligible to vote in any of the Republican primaries in your state, recommend supporting Ron Paul for the Republican nominee since he clearly against the SOPA act and stand by our constitutional right for free speech.
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Postby Court Jester » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:23 pm

There's only one thing left to do then...

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Postby Godzillabot Primal » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:39 pm

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Postby Insidious » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:39 pm

What a cringe-inducing piece of legislation.
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Postby Psychout » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:46 pm

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Spread the word on this guys, our Internet is under threat.

There is a speck of good news though, even some of the bills own sponsors are having second thoughts, and will be asking to delay its cloture vote (a vote to skip any extended discussion and rush it through).
The battle is still far from over though, please be sure you do all you can to make your representatives aware of your opposition to this bill.

As far as the blackout on the 18th is concerned, Reddit.com are spearheading the drive and many other websites have already signed up to it in various forms including blacking out their websites completely, altering their layout and taking down their YouTube channels and Facebook pages for the day. Even Wikipedia are hoping to join the blackout as long as the vote for it gets through on the commons (we'll find out Monday or Tuesday)

Va'al wrote:I was wondering.. how would this affect resources which are not U.S. based?
Would it mostly lie within the area of copyright depositing, or is it on the actual broadcasting/hosting/whathaveyou side of things?
Firstly, to clarify, I'm British and live in that most blessed part of England, Manchester. I wrote this article as I don't have a representative to contact so this is me doing my part - if even just a handful if US members contact their politicians and say "what the hell do you think you are doing?!" who wouldn't have done otherwise, then I'll have done my bit.

As I understand it, this Bill effects the UK and Australia and Europe and everywhere else primarily as the Internet is comprised of .com websites, all of which are owned/operated by the US and therefore come under US jurisdiction regardless of the country the servers are based in. If its a .com, .org, .net then its an 'American' site, regardless of who owns it.

Also, think about the knock-on effect: Seibertron.com gets shut-down an d the American posters can no longer access it. Lets just assume the site stays up, it would be like a ghost town here. At a guess I'd say a good 75% of this sites membership is from the US so that leaves the 25% of us non-Americans with a very large but empty site. No traffic, no HMW opponents, no one to talk to.

Now apply that to Facebook. Wikipedia. YouTube. Twitter.
It isn't just America that will suffer from this.
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Postby Vicalliose » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:52 pm

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Is S.978 still floating around? It's essentially the exact same thing as SOPA. Except I also remember that in S.978 they would tap your lines for viewing the content, then arrest you if they found you guilty of uploading anything or any other crimes.

Va'al wrote:I was wondering.. how would this affect resources which are not U.S. based?
Would it mostly lie within the area of copyright depositing, or is it on the actual broadcasting/hosting/whathaveyou side of things?

Almost seems like it will take a world police stance. Canadians are afraid anyway. :-?

Ron Paul is really the only candidate who cares about civil rights issues like these. To bad he's behind Romney. Paul is the only reason I'm registered as Republican and not still independent. In fact most of the house is comprised of republicans right now. Most of them old and stereotypically ignorant to the effects of the bill. They're only for it because it the Democrats are voting against it.

On a side note this would also apparently shut down ebay and similar resale sites.
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Postby dinogeist » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:57 pm

Seibertron wrote:Thanks for putting this article together, Psychout. I really appreciate it. Hopefully our efforts will help make people aware of these scary bills and that we can do our part to make a difference.

Looking forward to hearing comments and seeing discussions from within our community here on Seibertron.com.


Personally from my perspective all these laws & regulations exist to control/degrade the lower & middle class.

WHAT UPSETS ME THE MOST,when these laws & regulations are created. The rich & powerful are exempt from following them.

if your gonna create new laws & new regulations then EVERYONE should follow them not just some.

I think with the downward spiral economy getting worser & worser every year. the big corporations are getting more greedy & trying to steal every penny away from the hard working people they can.

instead of the big corporations trying to help out the working man. their doing the oppossite & making it worse for them during this extremly bad downward spiral economy.

From my persective capitalism is worse than communism.
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Postby Twitchythe3rd » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:09 pm

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I believe it's already been stalled to the point it isn't going to happen.

Still, better to spread the word amongst the people and let them know the Apocalypse is coming early.
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Postby Vicalliose » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:18 pm

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Tidalwavex wrote:Personally from my perspective all these laws & regulations exist to control/degrade the lower & middle class.

WHAT UPSETS ME THE MOST,when these laws & regulations are created. The rich & powerful are exempt from following them.

if your gonna create new laws & new regulations then EVERYONE should follow them not just some.

I think with the downward spiral economy getting worser & worser every year. the big corporations are getting more greedy & trying to steal every penny away from the hard working people they can.

instead of the big corporations trying to help out the working man. their doing the oppossite & making it worse for them during this extremly bad downward spiral economy.

From my persective capitalism is worse than communism.

From my perspective, all things can easily be corrupted.

Our government has played a big part in destroying capitalism as well as the young college educated fools who's minds are not set in reality and only know how to make money the wrong way. The biggest problem today? Lawyers. As time goes on they have to come up with new ways to put money in their pockets, as more and more people want to become lawyers every year.

Certain corporations have dropped out of backing this these bills. It's mostly backed by Hollywood as a whole. And in my opinion, I've always considered Hollywood one of the greatest evils on the face of the Earth. It's like they exist purely to generate hate and animosity among everyone.
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Postby Joetx » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:57 pm

Vicalliose wrote:From my perspective, all things can easily be corrupted.

Our government has played a big part in destroying capitalism as well as the young college educated fools who's minds are not set in reality and only know how to make money the wrong way. The biggest problem today? Lawyers. As time goes on they have to come up with new ways to put money in their pockets, as more and more people want to become lawyers every year.

Certain corporations have dropped out of backing this these bills. It's mostly backed by Hollywood as a whole. And in my opinion, I've always considered Hollywood one of the greatest evils on the face of the Earth. It's like they exist purely to generate hate and animosity among everyone.


This is easily the most ignorant post I've read on a TFs fan site, placing the blame on the wrong people. Lawyers? Hollywood? What, did you just get out of a tea party meeting?

Basically, our political system is corrupt b/c we've allowed, through our collective ignorance, the wealthy & "people" such as corporations (especially the financial, petroleum, & health care-related industries) to, in effect, bribe the politicians of both parties into drafting & passing laws that benefit the wealthy & corporations, but are a detriment to the vast majority of us.

And Ron Paul would give them even greater freedom to do whatever the hell they wanted.
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Postby Psychout » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:14 pm

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Discuss your semantics elsewhere.

The reasons behind, and who supports, this bill are completely irellevant unless it's regarding how to stop it, which is far more important.
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Postby Rated X » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:18 pm

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I think enacting this law could bankrupt the court systems. Everytime some moron tries to press charges for some petty s**t, somebody has to foot the bill to prosecute you and take all the steps to lock you up or fine you. If this law presents such a "grey area" that anyone can be held accountable for almost anything, the waiting list for a case could be years. That is if enough people with no lives come foward to try to "cash in" or "punish" people for using their stuff on the internet. The whole concept only works in theory, not in reality. Like I said before, somebodys gotta foot the bill to enforce all this, or it's just rubbish. Kind of like wasting man-power enforcing jay-walking laws in a city overan with gangs and drug dealers.
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Postby Shadowman » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:22 pm

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Vicalliose wrote:Our government has played a big part in destroying capitalism


I'm assuming you don't live in America, then? For all this straw-man talk about "corporations" no one has ever once said "corporations" hate people spending money on them. And spending money is the main point of capitalism.

Also this is from a month ago.

Lamar’s amendments also clarify that sites ending in .com, .org, and .net are not covered by the bill. Only foreign sites fall under SOPA’s wrath.


I don't know if the amendment passed or what, but if it did SOPA's threat level dropped like a rock. It still needs to be shot down and shot down hard, though.
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Postby Stormrider » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:31 pm

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I am griefed by the amount of regulations that this government has strangled upon our country in such a short time, and many of them passed quielty behind closed doors. Thank you for bringing these bills to light. Although I find them nearly impossible for the government to regulate, I think their effect will have a huge impact. We are one step away from being a neutered America.
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Thank you so much for publishing this. I was planning to write in and request that such an article be created for precisely the reasons you cite.
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Postby Shadowman » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:48 pm

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Stormrider wrote:Thank you for bringing these bills to light.


metaphorge wrote:Thank you so much for publishing this. I was planning to write in and request that such an article be created for precisely the reasons you cite.


You guys know this news post is actually two months late to the party, right? We've known about these bills since November.
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Postby bionic_radical » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:55 pm

Psychout wrote:Discuss your semantics elsewhere.

The reasons behind, and who supports, this bill are completely irellevant unless it's regarding how to stop it, which is far more important.


And if it's going to be an open forum, let's treat it as such. To censor a post when the topic at hand is essentially, the freedom of exchanging information? One set of standards will do just fine.
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Postby Mindmaster » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:09 pm

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Alright, who's the idiot that proposed this to Congress? :-x Lucky me, I'm taking civics and economics. ;) Personally, I feel like these bills are in violation of the First Amendment. Are there some things on the Internet that may be bad? Sure, but taking the Internet down also eliminates the good things of the Internet too, such as this awesome fan site. :grin:
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Postby Seibertron » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:24 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
Stormrider wrote:Thank you for bringing these bills to light.


metaphorge wrote:Thank you so much for publishing this. I was planning to write in and request that such an article be created for precisely the reasons you cite.


You guys know this news post is actually two months late to the party, right? We've known about these bills since November.


We've known about them as well. We've been discussing internally how to handle this on the site, most of the debate with how and when to handle it resting on my shoulders. I didn't feel posting this in the news section between Thanksgiving and Christmas was necessary and didn't want it to get lost in the news. It was also not necessary because the vote was pushed back from December to January. Had the vote happened in December, you would've seen me do something with this back then. Dead Metal had something written up way back in the middle of November for this, but I wasn't ready to bring Seibertron.com into this mess yet because I wanted to research it more and read about how the big sites/companies like Facebook, Google, and Wikipedia were going to handle this situation.

With things currently quiet on the Transformers front, now is a perfect time to do this leading up to the most important and influential period of the life of these bills. Now is crunch time -- there's a pending blackout date on the 18th, hearings on the same date in DC, and a vote on the 24th, I decided now was the time to add more fuel to the fire.

The next 7 to 10 days are extremely critical in making sure SOPA and PIPA do not get passed. Please spread the word on Facebook and Twitter and contact your local representatives to let them know how you feel about this.
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Postby Godzillabot Primal » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:36 pm

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Not trying to sound dumb, but who qualifies for that?
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Postby Seibertron » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:39 pm

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godzillabot wrote:
contact your local representatives to let them know how you feel about this.


Not trying to sound dumb, but who qualifies for that?


Any American citizen has the right to contact their local representative(s) to let your voice be heard. There are a variety of ways to contact them via phone or email. The original story provides some of the links that will help empower you to do just that. Please let us know if you need further help. We need every one to step up to the plate on this one. This is serious. This is scary. WE collectively can make a difference.
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Postby Godzillabot Primal » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:44 pm

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godzillabot wrote:
contact your local representatives to let them know how you feel about this.


Not trying to sound dumb, but who qualifies for that?


Any American citizen has the right to contact their local representative(s) to let your voice be heard. There are a variety of ways to contact them via phone or email. The original story provides some of the links that will help empower you to do just that. Please let us know if you need further help. We need every one to step up to the plate on this one. This is serious. This is scary. WE collectively can make a difference.

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