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Postby Psychout » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:22 pm

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There have been countless business models suggested to the MPAAs members, but to implement them costs money, which means that they won't be able to pay themselves so much so those ideas wil never get anywhere. Under usual circumstances, a business with an outdated model would just go under, but when you have an ex-congressman in charge of he MPAA who I knows how to play the system, why go under when you can just move the goalposts to suit you?

Noideaforaname wrote:And this is without SOPA and the like passing? So there were already laws allowing sites to be blocked from the US?.


SOPA/PIPA themselves were an effort for the MPAA to bypass due-process. Megauploads killing was as the result of months/weeks of the Feds going through the courts to get international warrants etc. to arrest those responsible. Had SOPA passed, that process wouldn't have been needed, they could have just acted on an accusation from a 'trusted' source. Notice how it always refers to 'Foreign' websites stealing 'American' jobs? Sites like Megaupload and Piratebay were always the primary target and this was just to make the process quicker.

Besides, the ACTA vote is what, 2 days away now? That's actually worse, of that is even possible... Any of you outside America REALLY need to read up on that.
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Postby Burn » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:05 pm

Vicalliose wrote:Yeah it makes sense. Just another case where going after the uploader would be fruitless so they simply go after the site's owner. Allot of sites provide revenue to people through ads and such, youtube for instance, but it really does not work unless heavily moderated.


Which is another area Megaupload failed as they rarely complied with DMCA requests. A lot of other file hosts complied.

Psychout wrote:Might wanna add fileserve to that list too.


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Postby Psychout » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:05 pm

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Burn wrote:
Vicalliose wrote:Yeah it makes sense. Just another case where going after the uploader would be fruitless so they simply go after the site's owner. Allot of sites provide revenue to people through ads and such, youtube for instance, but it really does not work unless heavily moderated.


Which is another area Megaupload failed as they rarely complied with DMCA requests. A lot of other file hosts complied.
Im not so sure, from what I had heard Megaupload were nothing short of incredible in the speed they turned around their DCMAs, they were most likely targeted becuase they were the bigget target out there in the ultimate in cock-waving exercises by the Sherman authorities - "We got the big guy, what are you little'uns gonna do about it" (although it probably had a yeehaw and a couple of gunshots in there somewhere too).

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Psychout wrote:Might wanna add fileserve to that list too.


Well there goes my subscription.
I highly recommend you make offline copies of EVERYTHING you have in online storage for a while, until the Internet calms down file hosting companies are to be regarded as incredibly unstable. Until the Rest of the world knows exactly where Team America (**** YEAH!)'s limits are then no one who relys on hosts like this can be sure how secure their valuables are.
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Postby Vicalliose » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:35 pm

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Vicalliose wrote:What's more, the fact that art forms have become an industry is just downright wrong to begin with. Art is something you're meant to create because your passionate about it and you want to share it with the world, it's not something people should have to spend money to see or hear, people are meant to give you money because they are also passionate about what you do and want to support you so you can keep doing it.

That's ridiculous. Art isn't cheap or quick to produce, so why should artists have to rely on meager tips from a handful of charitable people while hundreds/thousands/millions of people are enjoying their work?

Oh my God you did not get the point at all. I was pressing the fact that what you said is exactly the mentality that is what's wrong with the modern day. You cannot understand because you were raised in a society where this is the norm. MOST people can't.

And frankly the fact that you are calling a persons imagination "expensive" is ridiculous, what's more they do not even have to produce CDs, DVDs or cassettes anymore. It's also ridiculous that a person who writes songs and spends the majority of their time partying makes more money than any working class person. When talking about the movie industry most the money involved goes to paying off the actor's and director's inflated egos, as well as the companies which invest in the creators and which make the majority of the money, ultimately holding control over everything the creator does and limiting whatever vision they may have for something because of their contracts.

I'm not saying they shouldn't charge admission to see their work, the people who want to pay and can pay will continue do so. I'm saying that it's wrong to also keep people from seeing or hearing the art and sharing it with those around them. Money is not what art is about.

Frankly our society has become over reliant on media as an industry and every country would be better off if they could either be self sufficient or capable of producing physical products which other countries need. America and many other countries have completely failed in this regard and things need to change DRASTICALLY.
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Postby Psychout » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:14 pm

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Vicalliose wrote:
Noideaforaname wrote:
Vicalliose wrote:What's more, the fact that art forms have become an industry is just downright wrong to begin with. Art is something you're meant to create because your passionate about it and you want to share it with the world, it's not something people should have to spend money to see or hear, people are meant to give you money because they are also passionate about what you do and want to support you so you can keep doing it.

That's ridiculous. Art isn't cheap or quick to produce, so why should artists have to rely on meager tips from a handful of charitable people while hundreds/thousands/millions of people are enjoying their work?

Oh my God you did not get the point at all. I was pressing the fact that what you said is exactly the mentality that is what's wrong with the modern day. You cannot understand because you were raised in a society where this is the norm. MOST people can't.

This is a very philosophical argument; define art? Some use art as expression or window into their soul, these are usually the sort who keep their works to themselves or sell only what they have created as opposed of creating to order. And then there some who are lucky enough to have a talent they can utilise when and however they wish, and therefore commercial gain seems logical. Does this cheapen that talent? That's not for us to decide, arguably, if money is being made then it isn't.
There isn't a wrong and a right in a situation such as this, its only when exploitation is used that it becomes truly negative (please refer to anything Simon Cowell creates for examples.)


I do personally take issue with intellectual property being 'copyrightable' though. How can any individual possibly claim that they are the only person who has ever had that thought, and keep a straight face? How can anyone be so presumptuous as to assume that, throughout civilisation - both past and present - the thought that they have had has not, or cannot be, duplicated without access to your thoughts? What utter nonsense.
You are not the first to have that idea, you are the first to try and keep it to yourself.


Vicalliose wrote:Frankly our society has become over reliant on media as an industry and every country would be better off if they could either be self sufficient or capable of producing physical products which other countries need. America and many other countries have completely failed in this regard and things need to change DRASTICALLY.
On that point I agree 100%, but realism dictates that the thoughtful minority will always be held hostage to the mass-payment of the corporate common denominator.




Anyway, back on topic, another one bites the dust. :-(. It's not ability to use them that we are losing, its ability to share them with friends/colleagues that we are losing here because of one countries trigger-happy attirude. So sad. Some possible good news: a challenger appears!. Might be a while before I'd recommend anyone actually tried using it though... :lol:



Edit: Jesus, its worse than we thought. :shock:
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/23 ... t-attacks/

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Postby Shadowman » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:49 am

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Vicalliose wrote:
Noideaforaname wrote:
Vicalliose wrote:What's more, the fact that art forms have become an industry is just downright wrong to begin with. Art is something you're meant to create because your passionate about it and you want to share it with the world, it's not something people should have to spend money to see or hear, people are meant to give you money because they are also passionate about what you do and want to support you so you can keep doing it.

That's ridiculous. Art isn't cheap or quick to produce, so why should artists have to rely on meager tips from a handful of charitable people while hundreds/thousands/millions of people are enjoying their work?

Oh my God you did not get the point at all. I was pressing the fact that what you said is exactly the mentality that is what's wrong with the modern day. You cannot understand because you were raised in a society where this is the norm. MOST people can't.


Artists need to eat too, and food costs money. Thus, they put their talents to use to make money. There has never been a time when this wasn't true; do you really think the Renaissance involved everyone getting free houses, and art supplies? They worked for money. If you've ever produced art simply for art's sake, you had some other means to pay the bills.

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Thank god for Anonymous. That is all.


Yes, thank God someone is using brute force and threats to take care of problems, instead of acting like civilized people.
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Postby Vicalliose » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:00 am

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Vicalliose wrote:Oh my God you did not get the point at all. I was pressing the fact that what you said is exactly the mentality that is what's wrong with the modern day. You cannot understand because you were raised in a society where this is the norm. MOST people can't.


Artists need to eat too, and food costs money. Thus, they put their talents to use to make money. There has never been a time when this wasn't true; do you really think the Renaissance involved everyone getting free houses, and art supplies? They worked for money. If you've ever produced art simply for art's sake, you had some other means to pay the bills.
Many believe that art should be viewed more as a hobby than an actual job or industry, that's what's wrong with it. That aside. One of the things I pointed out that none of you quoted.
Vicalliose wrote:It's also ridiculous that a person who writes songs and spends the majority of their time partying makes more money than any working class person.
The people in Hollywood, the people whom are the only ones who benefit from copyright laws at all, make way too much money as it is.

Besides I don't think that copyright law is all bad honestly, it just helps all the wrong people. I Also don't believe the FBI should be a bunch of corporate lap dogs either. If they want to spend some of their hilarious amounts of money on private investigators and take people to court themselves that's fine by me.
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Thank god for Anonymous. That is all.
On the other hand, it will may only make the American government's stance more zealous. I'm sure our FBI is looking at Anonymous like they're a bunch of "terrorists" right now. :\
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Here's yet another interesting twist in the Megaupload tale.

Why was MegaUpload really shut down? wrote:In December of 2011, just weeks before the takedown, Digital Music News reported on something new that the creators of #Megaupload were about to unroll. Something that would rock the music industry to its core. (http://goo.gl/A7wUZ)

I present to you... MegaBox. MegaBox was going to be an alternative music store that was entirely cloud-based and offered artists a better money-making opportunity than they would get with any record label.


So, anyone else wondering if it was a timed takedown or a coincidence? Had other file-sharers got on-board with this, UMG, the RIAA and related would be looking at a mass exodus of talent, which may be why the take downs haven't stopped with Megaupload.

It had been tried and tested and proved to work...
Digital Music News wrote:In other words, another entry into the very crowded DIY space. But there's a lot more to this story. Instead of charging artists, Schmitz wants to pay artists - even for free downloads. "We have a solution called the Megakey that will allow artists to earn income from users who download music for free," Dotcom outlined. "Yes that's right, we will pay artists even for free downloads. The Megakey business model has been tested with over a million users and it works."


Lets hope someone else can pick up the ball and run with it as I'd use the hell out of that service, what about you guys?
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Postby Burn » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:59 am

Psychout wrote:Lets hope someone else can pick up the ball and run with it as I'd use the hell out of that service, what about you guys?


My only dislike is it being cloud based, and this may be simply my misunderstanding of things, but I like a copy on my drive(s), and not have to download it each time.

But at the end of the day, we're now at a point where change needs to happen, and not just on HOW people get their tv, movies, music etc, but also how things are classified. There needs to be a global classification system, to bring down these "virtual" borders that stop those of us outside of one country or another from seeing different videos.

I can see it coming in before a R rating for video games in Australia.
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Finally, an explanation that makes sense!!

Burn wrote:
Psychout wrote:Lets hope someone else can pick up the ball and run with it as I'd use the hell out of that service, what about you guys?


My only dislike is it being cloud based, and this may be simply my misunderstanding of things, but I like a copy on my drive(s), and not have to download it each time.

Depends on the reliability of your network I guess. I've never been much of a music collector so not having it actually stored anywhere isn't really important for me, and anything that cuts record labels out of the process and gives straight to the artist wins for me.

Burn wrote:But at the end of the day, we're now at a point where change needs to happen, and not just on HOW people get their tv, movies, music etc, but also how things are classified. There needs to be a global classification system, to bring down these "virtual" borders that stop those of us outside of one country or another from seeing different videos.
Amen. Although this falls under the 'taking money away from the poor impoverished MPAA etc. shareholders' clause so sadly will never happen.

Burn wrote:I can see it coming in before a R rating for video games in Australia.
Which still amazes me. That alone has to be responsible for many forms of piracy simply so people can get access to them.



Edit: The petition to investigate Chris Dodd for bribery I mentioned above got the required votes. AFTER FOUR DAYS. Awesome. Don't let this stop you signing if you haven't already, the more names on there the better. Now to sit back and see what happens next...
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Yes, thank God someone is using brute force and threats to take care of problems, instead of acting like civilized people.


Because clearly politicians actually listen to anything else besides that, money, and reelection chances...
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Postby Psychout » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:47 am

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Heh, I'm not even touching that one.


Meanwhile in more 'Enjoying the misery of the MPAA' news,
Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales: MPAA chairman Christopher Dodd should be fired wrote:10 million people contacted Congress, Wales said. “That’s not an abuse of power, that’s democracy," he said. "[Dodd] had best get used to it."

Wales is right though, all parties need to get around a table and discuss this wihtout the MPAA trying to force their opinion on others, which means without cretins like Dodd and flunkeys like Lamar Smith. Assuming the above petition does get discussed in Congress, I think we can hope that Dodd's tenure at the helm of MPAA will be short though.

Heh, even the Sundance film festival is wailing on them currently, and they were in favour of the bills.
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Postby Burn » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:17 pm

Psychout wrote:Depends on the reliability of your network I guess. I've never been much of a music collector so not having it actually stored anywhere isn't really important for me, and anything that cuts record labels out of the process and gives straight to the artist wins for me.


Not sure if we'll ever cut a record label out completely.

Last year Triple J (national radio station) launched their first digital radio station, JJJ Unearthed. For years Unearthed had simply been a annual competition for artists to send their music in, get airplay, win, and get a recording contract. Lot of big name Australian talent came out of it.

Now it has it's own station, a lot of artists across the country are getting airplay, but they're all still holding out for that contract.

Find a way for them to get some money for what they do and the world will change. Of course the cost has to be reasonable too. How much money am I saving downloading a full album from iTunes as opposed to buying an actual CD? Not bloody much!

Burn wrote:But at the end of the day, we're now at a point where change needs to happen, and not just on HOW people get their tv, movies, music etc, but also how things are classified. There needs to be a global classification system, to bring down these "virtual" borders that stop those of us outside of one country or another from seeing different videos.
Psychout wrote:Amen. Although this falls under the 'taking money away from the poor impoverished MPAA etc. shareholders' clause so sadly will never happen.


Can't remember where I read it, but it was a while back, i'm fairly certain it was some US Senator who came out against online piracy and said "if people can't afford it, they shouldn't be entitled to it".

So yes, greed rules.

Burn wrote:I can see it coming in before a R rating for video games in Australia.
Psychout wrote:Which still amazes me. That alone has to be responsible for many forms of piracy simply so people can get access to them.


This is just it. How many Australians resort to "piracy" because we're forced to wait for things to be released here, or can't even get them here?

I download TV shows. I watch them, I delete them, then I eventually buy the dvd's. Why do I download? Because I don't want to wait two months to watch something (which may not be at a convenient time for me and I don't, nor can I really afford a PVR) and then have the network change it's time slot, without notice, or remove it completely, simply because it wasn't getting the ratings.

They've proven things can be fast tracked. The recent Dr Who Christmas Special aired about 12 hours after it aired in the UK. Ratings were SOLID. I chose not to download it and instead supported the ABC because they fast tracked it.

Movies ... we waited TWO MONTHS for The Muppets to be released out here. In those TWO MONTHS, how many copies of it were floating around on the internet?

Comics ... i'm not sure what things are like in a comic shop (because I don't have one nearby) but in a general newsagent, they're about two months behind, and what costs $2.99US, costs $7.99AUD! Double the amount when the Australian dollar is equal, or above the US dollar!

So they can harp on and on and on about "how much internet piracy is costing the industry", but they don't look at how their stagnation and greed are the major causes of the internet piracy.

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Yeah, let's hope Dodd and Smith (and Reid) all vanish because of this debacle. So, here's another question for my fellow Seibertronians- what do you feel about OPEN? I feel it's flawed, but I think it can be fixed enough to a point that it can pass and kill incredibly stupid bills like SOPA/PIPA/ACTA before they get off the ground just by passing. It's not perfect, but I feel like it'd be an acceptable alternative with being fixed up a great deal.

Also go Sundance Film Festival, keep hammering on MPAA for this garbage.
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SOPA and PIPA Fully Alive - And a New Bill Joins Them - Blacklistednews.com wrote:Actually, SOPA is set to be reformulated in February. PIPA will be revisited with possible amendments in the coming weeks. Case in point, all is still open and possible - nothing is dead, pulled, or cancelled. If that wasn’t enough to keep us on our toes, a new, similar bill has surfaced.


Is this Smith guy a complete **** idiot or what?
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Postby Burn » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:26 pm

How exactly would OPEN work?

From what I read, it's aimed at non-US websites ... but ahh ... what gives the US jurisdiction over them?
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Postby Baneblade » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:24 am

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Burn wrote:How exactly would OPEN work?

From what I read, it's aimed at non-US websites ... but ahh ... what gives the US jurisdiction over them?


That's a good question...more and more it seems America is becoming the new Korea or the new china (restriction of what you can and cannot see/do)

Hang on..isn't that a direct violation of one of the amendments???


On a different note, someone said that direct forceful action was applauded, but countered by another.....

...let me just say, that if reasoning doesn't work, or there is no room for negotiation, then blunt direct, and sometimes disruptive tactics are the only route possible.

I don't condone the ha kings or direct attacks on sites, but if its how you get the job done then you take that route and worry later...
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Postby Watcher » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:52 am

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Burn wrote:How exactly would OPEN work?

From what I read, it's aimed at non-US websites ... but ahh ... what gives the US jurisdiction over them?
The US jurisdiction thing is that these sites, and 99% of the internet, has a .com address. ALL of these are, at the very least, routed through American based servers, regardless of where the site content/ownership is held. That why the Yanks can get involved.

As for OPEN, in essence its similar to SOPA and PIPA, but - and I must admit to being surprised about this myself - this one may not be quite so terrible...
Close SOPA and PIPA; OPEN the internet - The Manitoban wrote:What makes OPEN Act different is its approach and presentation. Unlike SOPA and PIPA, The OPEN Act movement has a home on the Internet, where all the information regarding the bill is easily accessible. What is more, visitors to the website are encouraged to comment and edit – yes, edit – the bill.
Most interestingly, it has the support of Google, Facebook, Twitter and the Management of Reddit, who were arguably the driving force behind last weeks internet-wide blackout. (No mention of support/opposition from Wikipedia though)

You can read/edit the bill in fill here and so far, this is actually looking pretty good.
This infographic is a bit simplistic, and I'm still not 100% convinced their definition of 'Foreign rogue websites' wont still be too broad, but it sure is pretty...


To those who are completely against the whole idea of 'net control' then this will still be doubleplusbad, and Ill reserve judgement on it for now as I simply don't trust creeps like Smith and Dodd not to remove bits they/the MPAAetc. don't like at the last minute, but it looks like this may do the job.

Sounds to good to be true? We just gotta keep watching...





Watcher wrote:I don't know about you, but [as an Australian] I'm still chuckling over how the American Government has the audacity to believe it can legislate on a global scale...!
I will always <3 the Aussies for this. Oh, wait - I actually meant this ;) Seriously, good work lads.
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Postby SirSoundwaveIV » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:15 pm

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yeah I have hopes for OPEN, like I've stated, I'm concerned for the main reasons you are though Psych. Hopefully it gets patched up a bit and they block out Smith and his MPAA/RIAA cronies from adding restrictive crap onto this.
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Well, the World Intellectual Property Organization is part of the UN, so I think that figures into it somehow.
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