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Postby Psychout » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:37 am

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Finally, an explanation that makes sense!!

Burn wrote:
Psychout wrote:Lets hope someone else can pick up the ball and run with it as I'd use the hell out of that service, what about you guys?


My only dislike is it being cloud based, and this may be simply my misunderstanding of things, but I like a copy on my drive(s), and not have to download it each time.

Depends on the reliability of your network I guess. I've never been much of a music collector so not having it actually stored anywhere isn't really important for me, and anything that cuts record labels out of the process and gives straight to the artist wins for me.

Burn wrote:But at the end of the day, we're now at a point where change needs to happen, and not just on HOW people get their tv, movies, music etc, but also how things are classified. There needs to be a global classification system, to bring down these "virtual" borders that stop those of us outside of one country or another from seeing different videos.
Amen. Although this falls under the 'taking money away from the poor impoverished MPAA etc. shareholders' clause so sadly will never happen.

Burn wrote:I can see it coming in before a R rating for video games in Australia.
Which still amazes me. That alone has to be responsible for many forms of piracy simply so people can get access to them.



Edit: The petition to investigate Chris Dodd for bribery I mentioned above got the required votes. AFTER FOUR DAYS. Awesome. Don't let this stop you signing if you haven't already, the more names on there the better. Now to sit back and see what happens next...
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Yes, thank God someone is using brute force and threats to take care of problems, instead of acting like civilized people.


Because clearly politicians actually listen to anything else besides that, money, and reelection chances...
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Postby Psychout » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:47 am

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Heh, I'm not even touching that one.


Meanwhile in more 'Enjoying the misery of the MPAA' news,
Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales: MPAA chairman Christopher Dodd should be fired wrote:10 million people contacted Congress, Wales said. “That’s not an abuse of power, that’s democracy," he said. "[Dodd] had best get used to it."

Wales is right though, all parties need to get around a table and discuss this wihtout the MPAA trying to force their opinion on others, which means without cretins like Dodd and flunkeys like Lamar Smith. Assuming the above petition does get discussed in Congress, I think we can hope that Dodd's tenure at the helm of MPAA will be short though.

Heh, even the Sundance film festival is wailing on them currently, and they were in favour of the bills.
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Postby Burn » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:17 pm

Psychout wrote:Depends on the reliability of your network I guess. I've never been much of a music collector so not having it actually stored anywhere isn't really important for me, and anything that cuts record labels out of the process and gives straight to the artist wins for me.


Not sure if we'll ever cut a record label out completely.

Last year Triple J (national radio station) launched their first digital radio station, JJJ Unearthed. For years Unearthed had simply been a annual competition for artists to send their music in, get airplay, win, and get a recording contract. Lot of big name Australian talent came out of it.

Now it has it's own station, a lot of artists across the country are getting airplay, but they're all still holding out for that contract.

Find a way for them to get some money for what they do and the world will change. Of course the cost has to be reasonable too. How much money am I saving downloading a full album from iTunes as opposed to buying an actual CD? Not bloody much!

Burn wrote:But at the end of the day, we're now at a point where change needs to happen, and not just on HOW people get their tv, movies, music etc, but also how things are classified. There needs to be a global classification system, to bring down these "virtual" borders that stop those of us outside of one country or another from seeing different videos.
Psychout wrote:Amen. Although this falls under the 'taking money away from the poor impoverished MPAA etc. shareholders' clause so sadly will never happen.


Can't remember where I read it, but it was a while back, i'm fairly certain it was some US Senator who came out against online piracy and said "if people can't afford it, they shouldn't be entitled to it".

So yes, greed rules.

Burn wrote:I can see it coming in before a R rating for video games in Australia.
Psychout wrote:Which still amazes me. That alone has to be responsible for many forms of piracy simply so people can get access to them.


This is just it. How many Australians resort to "piracy" because we're forced to wait for things to be released here, or can't even get them here?

I download TV shows. I watch them, I delete them, then I eventually buy the dvd's. Why do I download? Because I don't want to wait two months to watch something (which may not be at a convenient time for me and I don't, nor can I really afford a PVR) and then have the network change it's time slot, without notice, or remove it completely, simply because it wasn't getting the ratings.

They've proven things can be fast tracked. The recent Dr Who Christmas Special aired about 12 hours after it aired in the UK. Ratings were SOLID. I chose not to download it and instead supported the ABC because they fast tracked it.

Movies ... we waited TWO MONTHS for The Muppets to be released out here. In those TWO MONTHS, how many copies of it were floating around on the internet?

Comics ... i'm not sure what things are like in a comic shop (because I don't have one nearby) but in a general newsagent, they're about two months behind, and what costs $2.99US, costs $7.99AUD! Double the amount when the Australian dollar is equal, or above the US dollar!

So they can harp on and on and on about "how much internet piracy is costing the industry", but they don't look at how their stagnation and greed are the major causes of the internet piracy.

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Postby SirSoundwaveIV » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:29 pm

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Yeah, let's hope Dodd and Smith (and Reid) all vanish because of this debacle. So, here's another question for my fellow Seibertronians- what do you feel about OPEN? I feel it's flawed, but I think it can be fixed enough to a point that it can pass and kill incredibly stupid bills like SOPA/PIPA/ACTA before they get off the ground just by passing. It's not perfect, but I feel like it'd be an acceptable alternative with being fixed up a great deal.

Also go Sundance Film Festival, keep hammering on MPAA for this garbage.
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SOPA and PIPA Fully Alive - And a New Bill Joins Them - Blacklistednews.com wrote:Actually, SOPA is set to be reformulated in February. PIPA will be revisited with possible amendments in the coming weeks. Case in point, all is still open and possible - nothing is dead, pulled, or cancelled. If that wasn’t enough to keep us on our toes, a new, similar bill has surfaced.


Is this Smith guy a complete **** idiot or what?
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Postby Burn » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:26 pm

How exactly would OPEN work?

From what I read, it's aimed at non-US websites ... but ahh ... what gives the US jurisdiction over them?
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Burn wrote:How exactly would OPEN work?

From what I read, it's aimed at non-US websites ... but ahh ... what gives the US jurisdiction over them?


That's a good question...more and more it seems America is becoming the new Korea or the new china (restriction of what you can and cannot see/do)

Hang on..isn't that a direct violation of one of the amendments???


On a different note, someone said that direct forceful action was applauded, but countered by another.....

...let me just say, that if reasoning doesn't work, or there is no room for negotiation, then blunt direct, and sometimes disruptive tactics are the only route possible.

I don't condone the ha kings or direct attacks on sites, but if its how you get the job done then you take that route and worry later...
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I don't know about you, but [as an Australian] I'm still chuckling over how the American Government has the audacity to believe it can legislate on a global scale...!
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Re: SOPA and PIPA: the bills which could end Seibertron.com, your favorite websites, and the Internet!

Postby Psychout » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:30 am

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Burn wrote:How exactly would OPEN work?

From what I read, it's aimed at non-US websites ... but ahh ... what gives the US jurisdiction over them?
The US jurisdiction thing is that these sites, and 99% of the internet, has a .com address. ALL of these are, at the very least, routed through American based servers, regardless of where the site content/ownership is held. That why the Yanks can get involved.

As for OPEN, in essence its similar to SOPA and PIPA, but - and I must admit to being surprised about this myself - this one may not be quite so terrible...
Close SOPA and PIPA; OPEN the internet - The Manitoban wrote:What makes OPEN Act different is its approach and presentation. Unlike SOPA and PIPA, The OPEN Act movement has a home on the Internet, where all the information regarding the bill is easily accessible. What is more, visitors to the website are encouraged to comment and edit – yes, edit – the bill.
Most interestingly, it has the support of Google, Facebook, Twitter and the Management of Reddit, who were arguably the driving force behind last weeks internet-wide blackout. (No mention of support/opposition from Wikipedia though)

You can read/edit the bill in fill here and so far, this is actually looking pretty good.
This infographic is a bit simplistic, and I'm still not 100% convinced their definition of 'Foreign rogue websites' wont still be too broad, but it sure is pretty...


To those who are completely against the whole idea of 'net control' then this will still be doubleplusbad, and Ill reserve judgement on it for now as I simply don't trust creeps like Smith and Dodd not to remove bits they/the MPAAetc. don't like at the last minute, but it looks like this may do the job.

Sounds to good to be true? We just gotta keep watching...





Watcher wrote:I don't know about you, but [as an Australian] I'm still chuckling over how the American Government has the audacity to believe it can legislate on a global scale...!
I will always <3 the Aussies for this. Oh, wait - I actually meant this ;) Seriously, good work lads.
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yeah I have hopes for OPEN, like I've stated, I'm concerned for the main reasons you are though Psych. Hopefully it gets patched up a bit and they block out Smith and his MPAA/RIAA cronies from adding restrictive crap onto this.
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Postby Burn » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:20 pm

Psychout wrote:I actually meant this ;) Seriously, good work lads.


That one is far from over however. Because of that I stayed away from iiNet when I changed ISP's.

Only to have them buy out my current ISP last month. :lol:
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Psychout wrote:I actually meant this ;) Seriously, good work lads.


That one is far from over however. Because of that I stayed away from iiNet when I changed ISP's.

Only to have them buy out my current ISP last month. :lol:


I do beleive that irony is present??? ~snikker~
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Personally I think there does not need to be copyright reform of any kind, unless it reduces the federal government's right to enforce them. No exceptions. Although as far as I can tell OPEN makes it sound as if it would actually add additional processes to filing claims. And For some reason it would only affect ISPs hosted outside the US that do 'business' in the US... what?

Businesses need to figure out how to deal with people copying digital information on their own. Maybe MegaUploads plans were best. Of course it could take out the middle man so... corporate heads would kinda be f***ed.

Edit: I read Forbes views on OPEN, I never realized he was such a moronic corporate ****. Oh well I guess I'll continue down the path of hating everyone with money. Man I feel like I've been flipped upside down in the course of four years.
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Vicalliose wrote:Maybe MegaUploads plans were best.


Megaupload's plans involved paying people for uploading things, even, perhaps especially pirated content. That's illegal even without SOPA. They weren't just cutting out the middle man, they were cutting out the artist, too.
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Vicalliose wrote:Maybe MegaUploads plans were best.


Megaupload's plans involved paying people for uploading things, even, perhaps especially pirated content. That's illegal even without SOPA. They weren't just cutting out the middle man, they were cutting out the artist, too.

Agh, you make a point. F*** it then I just don't care. Also I hate Japan now, life sucks.

Also my brother noted to me that the reason OPEN only considers foreign sites infringers is because the private sector already has the tools to deal with US hosted sites. I suppose that makes sense.
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Megauploads motives are yet to be proved, but they are somewhat suspect, we must accept that at least.

Their Megabox service would have revolutionised music downloading though and would have killed iTunes, I really hope someone continues with that.


At least those who lost out when Megaupload was binned are trying to get their money/files back
MegaUpload Users Plan to Sue the FBI over Lost Files - Torrentfreak.com wrote:In a response, Pirate Parties worldwide have started to make a list of all the people affected by the raids, and they are planning to file an official complaint against the US authorities.
Whatever you think of Pirates, they aren't taking this laying down.
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Postby Shadowman » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:35 pm

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Psychout wrote:Megauploads motives are yet to be proved, but they are somewhat suspect, we must accept that at least.

Their Megabox service would have revolutionised music downloading though and would have killed iTunes, I really hope someone continues with that.


At least those who lost out when Megaupload was binned are trying to get their money/files back
MegaUpload Users Plan to Sue the FBI over Lost Files - Torrentfreak.com wrote:In a response, Pirate Parties worldwide have started to make a list of all the people affected by the raids, and they are planning to file an official complaint against the US authorities.
Whatever you think of Pirates, they aren't taking this laying down.


Isn't this exactly what hard drives and flash drives are for? Considering the vast number of methods of storing data that aren't Megaupload, they don't really have much of a case.
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Postby Burn » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:53 pm

Shadowman wrote:Isn't this exactly what hard drives and flash drives are for? Considering the vast number of methods of storing data that aren't Megaupload, they don't really have much of a case.


Call me crazy but i'm fairly certain the engineering boys at work, who put something together in Autodesk Inventor which may be a few hundred megabytes in size, wouldn't want to be sending said file to colleagues overseas via snail mail.
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Postby Shadowman » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:18 am

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Shadowman wrote:Isn't this exactly what hard drives and flash drives are for? Considering the vast number of methods of storing data that aren't Megaupload, they don't really have much of a case.


Call me crazy but i'm fairly certain the engineering boys at work, who put something together in Autodesk Inventor which may be a few hundred megabytes in size, wouldn't want to be sending said file to colleagues overseas via snail mail.


That has nothing to do with what's going on. That said, pack it into a .RAR or .ZIP file, upload it to an e-mail, and send it that way. A few hundred megabytes is peanuts anyway.

The problem isn't about not being able to transfer files, it's about files being completely lost because of the shutdown. Files that any sane person would have kept on their hard drive.
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