Cheesinator wrote:2. In this one scene, Megatron actively saves Optimus' life (he could have let Sentinel kill him, and then shoot Sentinel, or could have killed the weakened Optimus himself, but chose to do neither), and then offers peace. Optimus responds by immediately murdering him. I can't be the only one who thought there was something wrong with this.
Bonecrusher27 wrote:I've heard people keep saying this! I have to watch it again later. I didn't pick up that Megatron offered peace. I thought he killed Sentinel first so he could finish of Prime himself.
Starscream GaGa wrote:Bonecrusher27 wrote:I've heard people keep saying this! I have to watch it again later. I didn't pick up that Megatron offered peace. I thought he killed Sentinel first so he could finish of Prime himself.
"What we need is a truce, all that I ask is that I keep my command. Besides, where would you be without me?"
Bonecrusher27 wrote:Sh!7 You memorized this from one watching??? Damn if this is true it would really sour the entire movie and my opinion of Optimus Prime for this franchise. WTF was going on in their heads when they wrapped up the movie?
Starscream GaGa wrote:
I was watching the scene very carefully, lol. I was really hoping the rumours about the changed ending were false.
"What we need is a truce, all that I ask is that I keep my command. Besides, where would you be without me?"
zenosaurus_x wrote:I didn't read the Megatron part, wanted to remain spoiler free on that.
But on Fox...they really just wrote her out?
Honestly, I figured they would kill her off. I have nothing against her, but that seemed the only logical way to go, doesn't make sense that after the TransFormery stuff they went through she just....leaves.
Didn't fit the character.
Capt.Failure wrote:Three attempts to destroy Earth. Uncountable human casualties. Betrayed the Cybertronians before and convinced Sentinel to betray the Autobots.
And letting him live really seems like a good idea? If you ask me, he had it coming. That entire scene came off as Megatron saying, "I just shot the guy I promised to work with because I wanna be in charge! Wanna work together, despite all the crap I've pulled across three films and the countless human and Autobot deaths I've inflicted?"
I don't question Optimus' judgement there for a second. He had to die.
Bonecrusher27 wrote:Please educate me. What changed ending, what rumours?
Starscream GaGa wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Three attempts to destroy Earth. Uncountable human casualties. Betrayed the Cybertronians before and convinced Sentinel to betray the Autobots.
And letting him live really seems like a good idea? If you ask me, he had it coming. That entire scene came off as Megatron saying, "I just shot the guy I promised to work with because I wanna be in charge! Wanna work together, despite all the crap I've pulled across three films and the countless human and Autobot deaths I've inflicted?"
I don't question Optimus' judgement there for a second. He had to die.
Are you denying the scene felt forced and all previous foreshadowing suggested it was going to end in the same way as the comic and novel?Bonecrusher27 wrote:Please educate me. What changed ending, what rumours?
The novel and comic ended with Optimus agreeing to a truce and Megatron taking the Decepticons back to Cybertron to rebuild, promising to send for the Autobots when it was habitable again. Of course, it seems really obvious that this was originally intended to be the ending.
Capt.Failure wrote:Three attempts to destroy Earth. Uncountable human casualties. Betrayed the Cybertronians before and convinced Sentinel to betray the Autobots.
And letting him live really seems like a good idea? If you ask me, he had it coming. That entire scene came off as Megatron saying, "I just shot the guy I promised to work with because I wanna be in charge! Wanna work together, despite all the crap I've pulled across three films and the countless human and Autobot deaths I've inflicted?"
I don't question Optimus' judgement there for a second. He had to die.
GodMagnus wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Three attempts to destroy Earth. Uncountable human casualties. Betrayed the Cybertronians before and convinced Sentinel to betray the Autobots.
And letting him live really seems like a good idea? If you ask me, he had it coming. That entire scene came off as Megatron saying, "I just shot the guy I promised to work with because I wanna be in charge! Wanna work together, despite all the crap I've pulled across three films and the countless human and Autobot deaths I've inflicted?"
I don't question Optimus' judgement there for a second. He had to die.
I wouldn't say that he convinced Sentinel Prime to do anything. In the first movie, Ironhide saw the humans as pests. The Fallen, who was a Prime, looked down on the humans. So I don't think it's a stretch for Sentinel Prime to choose to side with Megatron for the greater good for Cybertron. It's not like Megatron pulled his arm. He made his case and SP agreed.
Capt.Failure wrote:What I believe is that the novel ending is forced. There is no reason for Megatron do go back on his motivations to rule Cybertron and destroy Earth (saving Cybertron was just a bonus at this point). To have him totally change goals and personality like that would be the absolute dumbest thing they could have done. I much perfer how the film ended.
Starscream GaGa wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:What I believe is that the novel ending is forced. There is no reason for Megatron do go back on his motivations to rule Cybertron and destroy Earth (saving Cybertron was just a bonus at this point). To have him totally change goals and personality like that would be the absolute dumbest thing they could have done. I much perfer how the film ended.
I disagree. Especially after the scene of Megatron looking up at Cybertron and how relieved he was that it was safe. Destroying Earth was never Megatron's goal, there hasn't really been anything in the movies to suggest that.
Capt.Failure wrote:Really?
- Use the AllSpark to make an army out of Earth's machines, and act that would wipe out humanity directly or indirectly.
- Activate the Sun Harvester, causing the sun to go dark. Ever see what that does to an in habited planet? It's not pretty.
- Reduce the Earth to slag in order to rebuild Cybertron, enslaving humanity to do all the work. Not to mention we'd be living on an atmosphere free world made of metal. Extinction for humans wouldn't be long coming.
Even if he was happy to see home after so long, it was a selfish happiness. It didn't change his goals or motivations, or his contempt for humans.
Starscream GaGa wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Really?
- Use the AllSpark to make an army out of Earth's machines, and act that would wipe out humanity directly or indirectly.
- Activate the Sun Harvester, causing the sun to go dark. Ever see what that does to an in habited planet? It's not pretty.
- Reduce the Earth to slag in order to rebuild Cybertron, enslaving humanity to do all the work. Not to mention we'd be living on an atmosphere free world made of metal. Extinction for humans wouldn't be long coming.
Even if he was happy to see home after so long, it was a selfish happiness. It didn't change his goals or motivations, or his contempt for humans.
Yes, but the ultimate goal was always the restoration of Cybertron, destroying Earth was just a consequence.
Why would his contempt for humans change?
anDarty wrote:It sort of reminded me of a person holding thier hand out to an animal and getting mauled for it that scene lol...
In retrospect Megatron definately had it coming, but I can't help but feel like Prime could've found another way to deal with him, whatever his motivations (purely selfish no doubt as usual) he did save Primes life. If they wanted Prime to kill him, have Megs say something like 'I wanted to be the one to kill you!' And then Prime, reluctantly has to kill him... seems less messy...
Not to mention, now that all the main 'con leaders have bit the dust, who better to pull the rogues back in line than Megatron?
Seemed like Prime was all too ready to obliterate Megatron, the same charecter he lamented losing 'as a brother' in the first one.
My two cents...
anDarty wrote:But he had been putting up with Megatrons crap for a lot longer than that... I mean, wouldn't instigating a war that destroyed your home planet have been a final straw long before they even got to earth? lol
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