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Re: Spoilers: Unhappy About Megan and Megatron

Postby dinogeist » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:40 pm

Megatron had a starring role in the 2007 movie & had a glorious death.

Hasbro chose to cheapen movie verses megatron's deathy by bringing megatron back in ROTF & DOTM. because Hasbro views megatron & optimus Prime as their flag ship captains on each faction side in the media/toys/comics/cartoons.

the main reasons why megatron wasn't the main bad guy in both ROTF & Dotm. was because he wasn't suspose to be their,he was suspose to be dead. hasbro forced him back in.

most action movies that have heroes fighting a bunch of villians. kills of one main bad guy in a movie. then moves on to the next bad guy in the next movie & so forth. examples: the various different batman movies,spiderman movies,etc...
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Re: Spoilers: Unhappy About Megan and Megatron

Postby Capt.Failure » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:42 pm

deathy wrote:Megatron had a starring role in the 2007 movie & had a glorious death.

Hasbro chose to cheapen movie verses megatron's deathy by bringing megatron back in ROTF & DOTM. because Hasbro views megatron & optimus Prime as their flag ship captains on each faction side in the media/toys/comics/cartoons.

the main reasons why megatron wasn't the main bad guy in both ROTF & Dotm. was because he wasn't suspose to be their,he was suspose to be dead. hasbro forced him back in.

most action movies that have heroes fighting a bunch of villians. kills of one main bad guy in a movie. then moves on to the next bad guy in the next movie & so forth. examples: the various different batman movies,spiderman movies,etc...


Hasbro has a bad habit of doing that. Just look at the '85 film, where characters only died to facilitate the debut of new toys.
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Re: Spoilers: Unhappy About Megan and Megatron

Postby dinogeist » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:55 pm

Autobot032 wrote:
Cheesinator wrote:Going only by the novel (which we can assume to have been the original story), Megs does hold true to his word, and leaves Earth with the remaining Decepticons.
And even if you choose to ignore the novel, the point still stands that Megatron went out of his way to save Optimus; something he would not have done if he genuinely wanted to keep slaughtering humans.


Ah, no we can't assume it. It says it's based off of the screenplay, written by Ehren Kruger. That doesn't mean the author of the novel didn't make creative changes. The screenplay/script that Bay keeps on his person, is and always has been THE official story. It's not a matter of ignoring the novel, it's a matter of fact. The novel is based on, but not verbatim.

Even you can't argue that.

Megatron only saved Optimus for a reason. A reason that would further his agenda, not out of mercy. And he would've ended up slaughtering humans. Where would he get the resources to rebuild, other than Earth? I mean, Cybertron's sitting in our orbit (although, considering it's size, technically we were orbiting it...), what's to stop him from killing humans at that point? Can you honestly tell me, or anyone that? I don't think so.

Cheesinator wrote:Like I said, the whole thing with him saving Optimus doesn't really make sense in any context (if he's still evil, it's downright stupid, and if he's genuinely 'good' now...it's a bit sudden and groundless).


Of course it makes sense.

On the one hand, he and Optimus could team up to take out Sentinel, which they pretty much did.
On the other hand, he could use Optimus to help rebuild and then once he's outlived his usefulness, BAM, Autobots go bye bye.

Plus, if Prime had been stupid enough to take the offer, Megatron would be leader once more. His way, his rule, no questions. He would be a God among mortals, basically. Prime wants peace, so if his enemy offers a truce, he must be willing to take it, right? Problem is, Megatron was wrong. Prime wants peace, but not through tyranny.

Cheesinator wrote:The fact that Optimus is a big fan of freedom and peace should be enough for him to...oh, I don't know, NOT decapitate someone who'd saved his life and was trying to peacefully end a war. That's the precise kind of ruthless, bloodthirsty attitude that the Deceptions generally possess, and that the Autobots are supposed to be fighting against.


Megatron didn't save his life for a good reason. It could even be argued that he was so blinded by his rage after the humiliation that Sentinel publicly gave him, that he temporarily lost his sense.

There was no peaceful resolution to the war. When someone who's just killed nearly a million human beings offers you a truce in which HE rules all of you, while holding a shotgun, that ain't peace. That's just a way to win, and he wasn't expecting Optimus to say "Screw it, and screw you."

Optimus was fighting a war. He was defending us. If it wasn't for Megatron screwing around, the Autobots may have never found Sentinel Prime. If he hadn't been revived, Ironhide and the twins wouldn't have been murdered in cold blood. They might've bit the bullet in the war at some point, but they wouldn't have been murdered. They didn't really get a chance to fight, it was a sneak attack. And it's all Megatron's doing.

Prime's response was reasonable. To both Megatron and Sentinel.

This ain't G1. No one's going to be holding hands, singing songs, and figuring out who's the next Brony Of The Year. This was war and someone had to win. Win, the Autobots did.


I agree with Autobot032 in this reply he wrote.

The same exact scenario happened with the DBZ/DBGT fans. when various fans was wondering why the main hero GOKU was so cruel in killing the villians in DBZ/DBGT. And why did he not show them mercy & let them live like GOKU did in the DB series.

My answer & various other Fans answer is as follows. Sometimes the main villian isn't worth showing mercy nor saving. due to him being overly obsessed with his evil plans & dark heart he possess. sometimes letting someone live would do more harm than good. as the main villian would still kill lives,still plot evil schemes. theirs also the chance the main villian becomes stronger than the main hero as time goes on. if their is no hope for good in the main bad guy,then he might as well die when the hero has a chance to kill him. why delay in inevitable & let the bad guy keep repeating his evil cycle over & over.
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Re: Spoilers: Unhappy About Megan and Megatron

Postby alternator77 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:58 pm

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after millions of years of war no one knows megatrons mind like optimus and he knew the only reason he helpped prime is because sentinel wouldnt hesitate to wipe the floor with him.
sentinel was ordering around the ships while megatron was slumped next to a building on the ground.HE was running the show and megs as well as prime knew it.

and megan seriously? has anyone been in a relationship here (sarcasm) who gives a damn :roll: i mean seriously they dated they broke up he moved on end of story i dont go see a TRANSFORMERS movie to hear about how he and some chick he dated in the first 2 movies broke up. i want to see action not 20 minutes devoted to explaining what happens in real life all the time.

ok rant over :D
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Re: Spoilers: Unhappy About Megan and Megatron

Postby Cheesinator » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:07 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:
Cheesinator wrote:Going only by the novel (which we can assume to have been the original story), Megs does hold true to his word, and leaves Earth with the remaining Decepticons.
And even if you choose to ignore the novel, the point still stands that Megatron went out of his way to save Optimus; something he would not have done if he genuinely wanted to keep slaughtering humans.


Ah, no we can't assume it. It says it's based off of the screenplay, written by Ehren Kruger. That doesn't mean the author of the novel didn't make creative changes. The screenplay/script that Bay keeps on his person, is and always has been THE official story. It's not a matter of ignoring the novel, it's a matter of fact. The novel is based on, but not verbatim.

Even you can't argue that.

Megatron only saved Optimus for a reason. A reason that would further his agenda, not out of mercy. And he would've ended up slaughtering humans. Where would he get the resources to rebuild, other than Earth? I mean, Cybertron's sitting in our orbit (although, considering it's size, technically we were orbiting it...), what's to stop him from killing humans at that point? Can you honestly tell me, or anyone that? I don't think so.


True. Novels are ignored then. By your own logic though, we can make no assumptions at all regarding Megatron’s motives and what he would have done post-DOTM.

And if you’d seen the movie, you’d know that Cybertron is now destroyed. He has no reason to enslave the humans. Even if he did want to enslave humans, it would make even less sense that he actively prevented Optimus’ death. Optimus is his biggest obstacle in that regard, so why save him?

Autobot032 wrote:
Cheesinator wrote:Like I said, the whole thing with him saving Optimus doesn't really make sense in any context (if he's still evil, it's downright stupid, and if he's genuinely 'good' now...it's a bit sudden and groundless).


Of course it makes sense.

On the one hand, he and Optimus could team up to take out Sentinel, which they pretty much did.
On the other hand, he could use Optimus to help rebuild and then once he's outlived his usefulness, BAM, Autobots go bye bye.

Plus, if Prime had been stupid enough to take the offer, Megatron would be leader once more. His way, his rule, no questions. He would be a God among mortals, basically. Prime wants peace, so if his enemy offers a truce, he must be willing to take it, right? Problem is, Megatron was wrong. Prime wants peace, but not through tyranny.


Megatron beat Sentinel with no assistance from Optimus whatsoever. Again, if you’d seen the movie you’d know that. And if he wants to keep making evil schemes, Optimus would obviously keep opposing him, so there’s no reason to keep him alive unless Megatron was being sincere. The only real motivation he gives in-canon is that he wants to be in charge. If he wanted to be tyrannical and in charge, he'd have let Optimus die and then kill Sentinel. The fact that he saved Optimus means he is clearly willing to make compromises on pretty much everything else (given that “rule everything” and “kill Optimus” have been his two biggest key goals for the entire series so far).

Autobot032 wrote:
Cheesinator wrote:The fact that Optimus is a big fan of freedom and peace should be enough for him to...oh, I don't know, NOT decapitate someone who'd saved his life and was trying to peacefully end a war. That's the precise kind of ruthless, bloodthirsty attitude that the Deceptions generally possess, and that the Autobots are supposed to be fighting against.


Megatron didn't save his life for a good reason. It could even be argued that he was so blinded by his rage after the humiliation that Sentinel publicly gave him, that he temporarily lost his sense.

There was no peaceful resolution to the war. When someone who's just killed nearly a million human beings offers you a truce in which HE rules all of you, while holding a shotgun, that ain't peace. That's just a way to win, and he wasn't expecting Optimus to say "Screw it, and screw you."

Optimus was fighting a war. He was defending us. If it wasn't for Megatron screwing around, the Autobots may have never found Sentinel Prime. If he hadn't been revived, Ironhide and the twins wouldn't have been murdered in cold blood. They might've bit the bullet in the war at some point, but they wouldn't have been murdered. They didn't really get a chance to fight, it was a sneak attack. And it's all Megatron's doing.

Prime's response was reasonable. To both Megatron and Sentinel.

This ain't G1. No one's going to be holding hands, singing songs, and figuring out who's the next Brony Of The Year. This was war and someone had to win. Win, the Autobots did.


You’re contradicting yourself. You just said Megatron had reason to save Optimus, and now you’re saying he doesn’t. You also said the novel is to be ignored, and the Twins’ death is a novel-only occurrence. They’re not in the movie.

Anyway, the movie ends almost immediately after Optimus kills Sentinel. Evidently, the war is won, regardless of the status of Megatron. He should CERTAINLY be held accountable for his actions, but in light of his recent turn, his execution at Optimus’ hand seemed a little excessive.
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Re: Spoilers: Unhappy About Megan and Megatron

Postby Starscream GaGa » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:13 pm

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I don't think the novels can be ignored because it seems, based on how rushed the scene was and considering the previous scene with Carly, the original intent was to go with the novel's ending. It think Optimus killing Megatron was a last minute change in order to save time.
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Re: Spoilers: Unhappy About Megan and Megatron

Postby Cheesinator » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:21 pm

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I only referred to the novel in regards to the 'what if' scenario of Optimus accepting Megatron's truce. The point being that, people are saying with certainty that Megatron would have just kept killing if Optimus had agreed in the movie, but the only official media exploring that scenario depicts him sticking to his word and leaving peacefully (hell, one could even say he's leaving on friendly terms with Optimus; promising to send for the Autobots when Cybertron is habitable).

Not saying that the novel ending is any more realistic, or has any bearing on the movie ending. It's just a good counterpoint for those calling bullsh*t on Megatron's truce in the movie.
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Re: Spoilers: Unhappy About Megan and Megatron

Postby dinogeist » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:49 pm

Cheesinator wrote:I only referred to the novel in regards to the 'what if' scenario of Optimus accepting Megatron's truce. The point being that, people are saying with certainty that Megatron would have just kept killing if Optimus had agreed in the movie, but the only official media exploring that scenario depicts him sticking to his word and leaving peacefully (hell, one could even say he's leaving on friendly terms with Optimus; promising to send for the Autobots when Cybertron is habitable).

Not saying that the novel ending is any more realistic, or has any bearing on the movie ending. It's just a good counterpoint for those calling bullsh*t on Megatron's truce in the movie.


My personal take on this is. I view the TF movies & TF cartoons as the ultimate canon that is more canon that the novels/comics/books.

This is how I personally view this situation mentioned in this reply,I don't care if it's wrong or right.

my reasons are as follows: (1) the TF Movies/Cartoon make more money/profit. than the TF Comics/books/novels can ever dream of making money/profit. (2) The TF movies/Cartoons get a much bigger audience & are more out their to see by more people.

Hardly anyone reads comics like they use to 26+years ago. not that many read nor buy movie/cartoon adaption novels/books.
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Re: Spoilers: Unhappy About Megan and Megatron

Postby FortMacs » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:24 pm

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i was very unhappy with megatron, i was hoping for an epic battle and i get some bs where for some reason he and prime switch roles. megatron wouldnt offer a peace, and prime wouldnt respond with ripping his head off. other way around and it woulda made sense. then on top of that prime has to be near death, where megatron hasnt been touched and still does it. just didnt make sense to me.

I was disapointed with most of the deaths in the movie. shockwave went down without much of a fight, especially considering the way everyone seemed to fear him. starscreams death was the worse for me though, sam?? really?? and because he grabbed one eye with a claw.... seemed silly to me. i oculd go on with the other deaths...
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Re: Spoilers: Unhappy About Megan and Megatron

Postby Autobot032 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:37 pm

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Cheesinator wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
Cheesinator wrote:Going only by the novel (which we can assume to have been the original story), Megs does hold true to his word, and leaves Earth with the remaining Decepticons.
And even if you choose to ignore the novel, the point still stands that Megatron went out of his way to save Optimus; something he would not have done if he genuinely wanted to keep slaughtering humans.


Ah, no we can't assume it. It says it's based off of the screenplay, written by Ehren Kruger. That doesn't mean the author of the novel didn't make creative changes. The screenplay/script that Bay keeps on his person, is and always has been THE official story. It's not a matter of ignoring the novel, it's a matter of fact. The novel is based on, but not verbatim.

Even you can't argue that.

Megatron only saved Optimus for a reason. A reason that would further his agenda, not out of mercy. And he would've ended up slaughtering humans. Where would he get the resources to rebuild, other than Earth? I mean, Cybertron's sitting in our orbit (although, considering it's size, technically we were orbiting it...), what's to stop him from killing humans at that point? Can you honestly tell me, or anyone that? I don't think so.


True. Novels are ignored then. By your own logic though, we can make no assumptions at all regarding Megatron’s motives and what he would have done post-DOTM.

And if you’d seen the movie, you’d know that Cybertron is now destroyed. He has no reason to enslave the humans. Even if he did want to enslave humans, it would make even less sense that he actively prevented Optimus’ death. Optimus is his biggest obstacle in that regard, so why save him?


I did see the movie. Opening day. Why would I discuss a movie in great detail, details I couldn't possibly know, if I haven't seen the film? What on Earth ever gave you the idea that I hadn't? *shakes head*

I never said Cybertron survived... I used present tense in terms of Cybertron when talking about the scene. I didn't say it was still there. I was addressing the scene in the moment.

And no, my logic isn't flawed. After seeing all three movies, after seeing what Megatron is capable of, we have every reason to make assumptions about his motives and what he would've done. He himself even said a truce where he remains leader.

Cheesinator wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
Cheesinator wrote:Like I said, the whole thing with him saving Optimus doesn't really make sense in any context (if he's still evil, it's downright stupid, and if he's genuinely 'good' now...it's a bit sudden and groundless).


Of course it makes sense.

On the one hand, he and Optimus could team up to take out Sentinel, which they pretty much did.
On the other hand, he could use Optimus to help rebuild and then once he's outlived his usefulness, BAM, Autobots go bye bye.

Plus, if Prime had been stupid enough to take the offer, Megatron would be leader once more. His way, his rule, no questions. He would be a God among mortals, basically. Prime wants peace, so if his enemy offers a truce, he must be willing to take it, right? Problem is, Megatron was wrong. Prime wants peace, but not through tyranny.


Megatron beat Sentinel with no assistance from Optimus whatsoever. Again, if you’d seen the movie you’d know that. And if he wants to keep making evil schemes, Optimus would obviously keep opposing him, so there’s no reason to keep him alive unless Megatron was being sincere. The only real motivation he gives in-canon is that he wants to be in charge. If he wanted to be tyrannical and in charge, he'd have let Optimus die and then kill Sentinel. The fact that he saved Optimus means he is clearly willing to make compromises on pretty much everything else (given that “rule everything” and “kill Optimus” have been his two biggest key goals for the entire series so far).


Again, I DID SEE THE FILM! You certainly do like to condescend, don't you? You're surely getting riled up over this and it's all for a piece of fiction.

Cheesinator wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
Cheesinator wrote:The fact that Optimus is a big fan of freedom and peace should be enough for him to...oh, I don't know, NOT decapitate someone who'd saved his life and was trying to peacefully end a war. That's the precise kind of ruthless, bloodthirsty attitude that the Deceptions generally possess, and that the Autobots are supposed to be fighting against.


Megatron didn't save his life for a good reason. It could even be argued that he was so blinded by his rage after the humiliation that Sentinel publicly gave him, that he temporarily lost his sense.

There was no peaceful resolution to the war. When someone who's just killed nearly a million human beings offers you a truce in which HE rules all of you, while holding a shotgun, that ain't peace. That's just a way to win, and he wasn't expecting Optimus to say "Screw it, and screw you."

Optimus was fighting a war. He was defending us. If it wasn't for Megatron screwing around, the Autobots may have never found Sentinel Prime. If he hadn't been revived, Ironhide and the twins wouldn't have been murdered in cold blood. They might've bit the bullet in the war at some point, but they wouldn't have been murdered. They didn't really get a chance to fight, it was a sneak attack. And it's all Megatron's doing.

Prime's response was reasonable. To both Megatron and Sentinel.

This ain't G1. No one's going to be holding hands, singing songs, and figuring out who's the next Brony Of The Year. This was war and someone had to win. Win, the Autobots did.


You’re contradicting yourself. You just said Megatron had reason to save Optimus, and now you’re saying he doesn’t. You also said the novel is to be ignored, and the Twins’ death is a novel-only occurrence. They’re not in the movie.


I'm not contradicting myself. I'm trying to cover all the bases with reasons for and against. In the end, this is all moot, because it ended how it ended and we have no way to change it. Prime offed Megatron and Sentinel, whether or not you agree with it, that's how it is.

As for the twins, they are in the film. In vehicle mode, and you can see a piece of one of their limbs while Bumblebee is jumping around trying to avoid Sentinel's weapon fire. They were cut out at the last minute, and the rough editing is the end result.

Cheesinator wrote:Anyway, the movie ends almost immediately after Optimus kills Sentinel. Evidently, the war is won, regardless of the status of Megatron. He should CERTAINLY be held accountable for his actions, but in light of his recent turn, his execution at Optimus’ hand seemed a little excessive.


.....AGAIN, I DID SEE THE FILM! I HAVE THE TICKET STUB TO PROVE IT!

I know how it ends, I watched the whole thing. The entire thing. His execution was well deserved.

*sighs* Movie discussion is just insanity inducing, it really is. I definitely see why people are starting to avoid the topic where and when necessary. It's a movie, it's a toyline, nothing more, nothing less. It just isn't worth this kind of frustration, it really isn't. >_<
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