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I also saw the DOTM movie.

Lets get one fact straight. Megatron Didn't beat/defeat Sentinel prime in a fair fight.

Megatron attacked sentinel prime from the back when he was looking/expecting it. to make matters worse sentinel prime was a bit exausted due to him fighting optimus prime.

this is called cheating or/and a dis-honable defeat of one's opponent.

had megatron taken on sentinel prime face to face,he would have lost the fight. because DOTM megatron was in a weakened/battle damaged state. due to his injuries he substained in the ROTF movie.

deathy wrote:I also saw the DOTM movie.

Lets get one fact straight. Megatron Didn't beat/defeat Sentinel prime in a fair fight.

Megatron attacked sentinel prime from the back when he was looking/expecting it. to make matters worse sentinel prime was a bit exausted due to him fighting optimus prime.

this is called cheating or/and a dis-honable defeat of one's opponent.

had megatron taken on sentinel prime face to face,he would have lost the fight. because DOTM megatron was in a weakened/battle damaged state. due to his injuries he substained in the ROTF movie.

Lets also take another point into concideration...

For the most part, all the decepticon generals (by generals i mean main characters) such as shockwave, Starscream, Soundwave etc;.. Basicly anyone worth a damn capable of defeating the remaining surviving autobots) were dead. Most of the autobots were still alive. If Megatron lets Sentinel kill Optimus, then he offs Sentinel, the remaining Autobots are going to do everything they can to stop Megatron. Megatron needed Optimus so the remaining Autobots would go along with the plan, as well as the to call off the remaing human attack.

And becides, bottom line is it really doesn't matter if Megs was sencere about his truce. He killed Optimus in the past, slaughtered thousands of humans, and is responsible for Autobot deaths. These actions can not go un-punished. You can not just turn a blind shoulder at the past because your enemy all of a sudden offers it. Especialy when that truce comes with conditions.
For the life of me, i just don't see why people are getting upset atthe way Optimus terminated his life! I mean it

5150 Cruiser wrote:

deathy wrote:I also saw the DOTM movie.

Lets get one fact straight. Megatron Didn't beat/defeat Sentinel prime in a fair fight.

Megatron attacked sentinel prime from the back when he was looking/expecting it. to make matters worse sentinel prime was a bit exausted due to him fighting optimus prime.

this is called cheating or/and a dis-honable defeat of one's opponent.

had megatron taken on sentinel prime face to face,he would have lost the fight. because DOTM megatron was in a weakened/battle damaged state. due to his injuries he substained in the ROTF movie.

Lets also take another point into concideration...

For the most part, all the decepticon generals (by generals i mean main characters) such as shockwave, Starscream, Soundwave etc;.. Basicly anyone worth a damn capable of defeating the remaining surviving autobots) were dead. Most of the autobots were still alive. If Megatron lets Sentinel kill Optimus, then he offs Sentinel, the remaining Autobots are going to do everything they can to stop Megatron. Megatron needed Optimus so the remaining Autobots would go along with the plan, as well as the to call off the remaing human attack.

And becides, bottom line is it really doesn't matter if Megs was sencere about his truce. He killed Optimus in the past, slaughtered thousands of humans, and is responsible for Autobot deaths. These actions can not go un-punished. You can not just turn a blind shoulder at the past because your enemy all of a sudden offers it. Especialy when that truce comes with conditions.
For the life of me, i just don't see why people are getting upset atthe way Optimus terminated his life! I mean it

I do believe it's people still unwilling to realize that these are movies, not kids shows, and thus are gonna have more room to show just how violent a war is going to be. Quite simply the black and white morality of the cartoons will not fit in a theatrical film. Mature storytellers realize that sometimes the heroes are gonna need to do ugly things to ensure the safety of those they hold dear. You know, like killing the mass murdering psychopath who's responsible for three attempts at destroying all life on a planet.

I really don't know how I feel about Prime killing Megatron that fast. But if you think about it
TF 1 prequel: Megatron ripped out BB's voicebox
TF 1 Megatron ripped, Jazz his 1st lieutenant, in two
ROTF: Megatron killed Optimus
DOTM:Optimus was betrayed, Sentinel killed Ironhide with cosmic rust which IMO is worse than murder and also, Sentinel took his arm offSo if I was Optimus I would be a little bitter too.

I think i need to watch again, or maybe because i havent read the novel i looked at it differently, i saw it as Carly infuriating megs to the point he saw red and wanted to rip sentinal to pieces no matter what, then with sentinal dead, optimus slaughted a weakened and now calmed down megs. Its also how everyone else i went with looked at it.

I also think Mikela wouldve done that lil chat 100% better.

I thought megatron only attacked sentinel because he saw him as a threat to his leadership, which he was. I don't think he intended to save prime, only attack sentinel. also i thought the "truce" megatron was offering was for the autobots to join with the decepticons, with megatron in command, i might have misunderstood, but that's what i got from it. seems like megatron deserved what he got, a truce seems much less likely, and to me would have been less likely of an ending.

moritron wrote:I thought megatron only attacked sentinel because he saw him as a threat to his leadership, which he was. I don't think he intended to save prime, only attack sentinel. also i thought the "truce" megatron was offering was for the autobots to join with the decepticons, with megatron in command, i might have misunderstood, but that's what i got from it. seems like megatron deserved what he got, a truce seems much less likely, and to me would have been less likely of an ending.

As i stated above, thats pretty much what i got from it

Capt.Failure wrote:I do believe it's people still unwilling to realize that these are movies, not kids shows, and thus are gonna have more room to show just how violent a war is going to be. Quite simply the black and white morality of the cartoons will not fit in a theatrical film. Mature storytellers realize that sometimes the heroes are gonna need to do ugly things to ensure the safety of those they hold dear. You know, like killing the mass murdering psychopath who's responsible for three attempts at destroying all life on a planet.

Amusing you say that, given how most of Optimus' lines seem to be lifted straight out of a Saturday morning cartoon (with his occasional quips about killing things being the exceptions), and display the black and white morality of the cartoons.

Optimus is constantly preaching freedom, peace and the value of life, yet the choices he makes and actions he takes are as harsh and cruel as any of Megatron's (such as deeming the extinction of one race and planet acceptable in order to secure the survival of another race and planet that he finds acceptable).

Of course, that's only if you read into it. The way Optimus takes out his enemies isn't to show how ugly war is, it's to make him look awesome and provide cool looking scenes for a mindless action movie. I sincerely doubt that Bay or any of the production team read into these actions like we are doing.

It seems to me that Linkin Park's song Iridescent fits more with the truce ending...

Do you feel cold and lost in desperation
you build up hope, but failure's all you've known
remember all the sadness and frustration
and let it go.

The song appears to be telling Megatron and Optimus Prime to forget the war and be friends.
I'm not sure if this is a useful point for this topic but I thought I would mention it all the same.

I just saw the movie last night. The whole thing about Megan Fox was kind of a low blow, but she brought it on herself. But atleast she was mentioned and not just brought up. We found out what happened to a point and that was it. Couples breakup and I don't see why it can't be any different in a movie.

Megatron was definitely toned down this movie. I'm figuring this was due to his injuries from ROTF. Him turning on Sentinel was a classic Megatron move. He had no intention on starting a truce with Optimus. He wanted Cybertron there and he wanted Sentinel out of the way. In his shape, he wouldn't have been able to beat him. So he took him out, only to have Optimus take him out. It makes sense to me.