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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

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Va'al wrote:I think a lot of people expected Gwendoline Christie to play that character - glad it's confirmed! :D

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I like the new snow troopers. The new guy, he uh, he looks like a ****.


He looks like Marilyn Manson.

Jared Leto as the joker looks more intimidating.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Mon May 04, 2015 7:22 pm

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SW's SilverHammer wrote:
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Va'al wrote:I think a lot of people expected Gwendoline Christie to play that character - glad it's confirmed! :D

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I like the new snow troopers. The new guy, he uh, he looks like a ****.


He looks like Marilyn Manson.

Jared Leto as the joker looks more intimidating.


Yup.

And just to clarify, I do agree with you. He does look like a ****, just like Marilyn Manson.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue May 05, 2015 2:46 am

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Looks like Boba Fett is getting his own movie:

ComingSoon wrote:Just days after word broke confirming that Chronicle and Fantastic Four helmer Josh Trank will not be directing the upcoming second Star Wars Anthology film comes word, via TheWrap, that the project will be a Boba Fett movie, centering on the fan-favorite intergalactic bounty hunter. Although the outlet uses the term “origin story,” we already saw the origins of young Boba Fett and how he lost his “father,” Jango Fett, in 2002’s Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the Clones. Assuming this new report is accurate, it’s likely that the new film will update us on early Boba Fett adventures taking place somewhere between Attack of the Clones and The Empire Strikes Back.

Boba Fett’s first appearance was in an animated segment of the non-canonical “Star Wars Holiday Special.” Beyond his role in four of the six current “Saga” films (including a Special Edition appearance in the original Star Wars), Fett’s story has been expanded on in several episodes of the canonical animated series, “Star Wars: The Clone Wars.”

The new Anthology film is expected to hit theaters in 2018, following J.J. Abrams’ Star Wars: The Force Awakens this December 18, Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One on December 16, 2016, and Rian Johnson’s Star Wars: Episode VIII on May 26, 2017.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Tue May 05, 2015 3:03 am

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A Fett movie? Not sure how I feel about this one. Lots of potential if properly done, but it'll have to be really good to avoid the cliches of a typical "lone-assassin" action story.

...better than a movie about Ewoks at any rate. :lol:
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue May 05, 2015 5:59 am

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:it'll have to be really good to avoid the cliches of a typical "lone-assassin" action story.
But that's what he was. A bounty hunter, not an assassin, but he was a loner nonetheless. He barely even spoke. A movie about Jango? That might be more exciting. I wonder if Lucas wrote him as an homage to the original Django?
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Tue May 05, 2015 6:29 am

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:it'll have to be really good to avoid the cliches of a typical "lone-assassin" action story.
But that's what he was. A bounty hunter, not an assassin, but he was a loner nonetheless. He barely even spoke. A movie about Jango? That might be more exciting. I wonder if Lucas wrote him as an homage to the original Django?


You have a point about him being a lone bounty hunter and all, but what I'm trying to say is that I hope they won't make up a predictable plot that most scriptwriters use for action movies of this genre.

You know, like "lone mercenary/bounty hunter gets framed for a crime he didn't commit and has to find the true perp". I mean, it's fine to start a story in that direction, but it takes a lot of creativity and effort to make it its own thing.

As for Jango, I totally agree. There's quite a bit of Django in, well, Jango. I wonder if Spielberg's homage went as far as having Jango carry his dead wife/lover in Slave-1, frozen in carbonite? 8)
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue May 05, 2015 8:41 am

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:You have a point about him being a lone bounty hunter and all, but what I'm trying to say is that I hope they won't make up a predictable plot that most scriptwriters use for action movies of this genre.

You know, like "lone mercenary/bounty hunter gets framed for a crime he didn't commit and has to find the true perp". I mean, it's fine to start a story in that direction, but it takes a lot of creativity and effort to make it its own thing.
I don't think we'll have to worry about that. I'm fairly certain Boba made up his mind to be a ruthless loner a**hole the moment Mace Windu chopped off Jango's head. Or right after, when he picked up the helmet with said head still inside.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Tue May 05, 2015 6:21 pm

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:You have a point about him being a lone bounty hunter and all, but what I'm trying to say is that I hope they won't make up a predictable plot that most scriptwriters use for action movies of this genre.

You know, like "lone mercenary/bounty hunter gets framed for a crime he didn't commit and has to find the true perp". I mean, it's fine to start a story in that direction, but it takes a lot of creativity and effort to make it its own thing.
I don't think we'll have to worry about that. I'm fairly certain Boba made up his mind to be a ruthless loner a**hole the moment Mace Windu chopped off Jango's head. Or right after, when he picked up the helmet with said head still inside.


Very true. Seeing his "old man's" head lopped off in front of him by a supposed enforcer of all things good would have easily turned him toward the path to thuggery. Besides, an orphan needs to fight to survive in the cruel streets.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby RAR » Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:19 am

I think with reluctance I am going to have to call it and say the best we can hope for is "Star Trek Into Darkness" with Lightsabers.

The more I see the more I shudder in horror - I think that come December people will be in shocked denial and you will hear "At least it's not as bad as Phantom Menace" said a lot.

I'll see about lowing my expectation to absolute rock bottom between now and December so I can try to squeeze some tiny joy from it - but boy am I doubting the whole idea of the Disneyverse now.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby Ironhidensh » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:31 am

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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:22 am

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I won't lie, I won't say everything looks amazing, and I'm not a fan of J.J Abram's work personally. Honestly it seems like there are enough people on the creative staff the rein in the lens flares and the sleek iPod era look to things for example; as well as keep things cohesive after essentially picking up 32 years later. It seems like disney, kinda like with the marvel movies, is staying out of the creative process and handling the marketing and distribution of the film and merchandise.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby RAR » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:29 am

The puppets they were showing off the other day filled me with horror !!

I'm disliking the casting more and more as I see more of them.

Some of the art design is good some looks a bit to fan fiction like due to being based so much on abandoned 1970's designs - which would only make sense for Rogue 1 not for Force Awakens.

Speaking of which I anticipate that Rogue 1 will have some good bit but as a story make little sense as yet another un-needed stealing of the Death Star plans story.

I tend to blow a bit hot and cold on Rebels too though - usually when they start referencing the Clone Wars a bit to much is when the eye-rolling usually starts.

Anyway I will dig a big hole and jump in it so my expectations are a low as it's possible to get in the hope I see some small glimmer of light from the bottom of my well.

Perhaps I just feel a little put out as I have the horrible feeling that Disney is going to finish off what little Star Wars fandom I had left in me after the retention of the prequels and the murdering of the entire Expanded Universe.

I suspect I feel like that about Star Wars and yet not like that about Star Trek as Star Trek or even Terminator Geneysis as they didn't so much destroy their predecessors as branch from them.

Force Awakens feels to me at times like I am standing in horror watching a mad man run riot in a puppy farm with a fire axe.

I really really hope I can hand wave over the changes though and not be spending so much time face palming I render myself semi-concious when watching it.

But if it is below expectations at least some good irate internet videos will come from it I suppose.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:17 am

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RAR wrote:The puppets they were showing off the other day filled me with horror !!


I like them alright. They remind me of something the jim henson design house would make for like, dark crystal. Obviously they won't have the classic star wars feel, as these aren't being made with the budget of a ham sandwich. Or being kitbashed. Or being made from unpaintable plastic; like most if not all of the stormtroopers.

RAR wrote:I'm disliking the casting more and more as I see more of them.


Eh, I can't agree or disagree really, it depends on the actual acting. Though the new sith dudes looks like a bitch.

RAR wrote:Some of the art design is good some looks a bit to fan fiction like due to being based so much on abandoned 1970's designs - which would only make sense for Rogue 1 not for Force Awakens.


Again, I can't agree or disagree, it depends on how the writers use these concepts. But it is interesting to see how these abandoned ideas will or won't work with 40 years of retrospect.

RAR wrote:Speaking of which I anticipate that Rogue 1 will have some good bit but as a story make little sense as yet another un-needed stealing of the Death Star plans story.


Yes like the other movies revolving around the concept like.................... and. I honestly hope we get some bothan spies as the main protagonists.


RAR wrote:Perhaps I just feel a little put out as I have the horrible feeling that Disney is going to finish off what little Star Wars fandom I had left in me after the retention of the prequels and the murdering of the entire Expanded Universe.


I really doubt disney will try and kill the star wars fan base seeing as their smart and insidious. I feel like they'll treat it like the marvel movies. The mouse will stay out of the creative process and focus on the marketing and the merchandise. As for the expanded universe, there were allot of great stories and concepts that i loved. But there were also a lot of inconsistencies and continuity errors between the works. I doubt that all of the expanded universe is off the table, we already have female storm troopers in the movie, and that was a concept introduced in the expanded univeres. I just doubt we'll see the Thrawn Trilogy, or the darksabre arc. Both of which would be totally metal, but I digress.

RAR wrote:I suspect I feel like that about Star Wars and yet not like that about Star Trek as Star Trek or even Terminator Geneysis as they didn't so much destroy their predecessors as branch from them.

Force Awakens feels to me at times like I am standing in horror watching a mad man run riot in a puppy farm with a fire axe.



Wow, those movies you listed were waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more insulting to the previous movies and fanbases. If anything force awakens is majorly fanwanky.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby Va'al » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:33 am

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RAR wrote:Some of the art design is good some looks a bit to fan fiction like due to being based so much on abandoned 1970's designs - which would only make sense for Rogue 1 not for Force Awakens.


Again, I can't agree or disagree, it depends on how the writers use these concepts. But it is interesting to see how these abandoned ideas will or won't work with 40 years of retrospect.


One of the concept artists is amazing, and if you haven't seen his work, I really recommend it.
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SW's Silverhammer wrote:Wow, those movies you listed were waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more insulting to the previous movies and fanbases. If anything force awakens is majorly fanwanky.


Yes. That last part is currently my biggest fear, not the other stuff that we've been shown. If anything though, Abrams is not trying to say that's not what he's doing, like he tried with Star Trek Into Darkness.

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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:44 am

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Va'al wrote:
SW's SilverHammer wrote:
RAR wrote:Some of the art design is good some looks a bit to fan fiction like due to being based so much on abandoned 1970's designs - which would only make sense for Rogue 1 not for Force Awakens.


Again, I can't agree or disagree, it depends on how the writers use these concepts. But it is interesting to see how these abandoned ideas will or won't work with 40 years of retrospect.


One of the concept artists is amazing, and if you haven't seen his work, I really recommend it.
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SW's Silverhammer wrote:Wow, those movies you listed were waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more insulting to the previous movies and fanbases. If anything force awakens is majorly fanwanky.


Yes. That last part is currently my biggest fear, not the other stuff that we've been shown. If anything though, Abrams is not trying to say that's not what he's doing, like he tried with Star Trek Into Darkness.

'We swear, it's not Wrath of Khan, no for real, it isn't, really, guys, believe me, guyyyssss...'


Ugh, into darkness pushed all the wrong buttons for me. Especially Benedict Cumberbuch*. I don't like anything about him or his acting.

(That was intentional)
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby RAR » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:02 am

I noticed a deteriation in quality of the Expanded Universe Material after the Prequels started to influence it more and more - before then you would get stories that were not just about the Skywalker's extended family. after then that seems like almost all you got.

I will be interested to see what way they decide to jump with the portrayal of Dark Force Users will they reinforce the "Rule of Two" or go back to the idea of Multiple Sith instead even at the risk of the 'Rule of inverse Ninja' coming into force because of that ?

If Rogue One takes some notes from the Rogue & Wraith Squadron material that would likely help it.

As for the stealing of the Death Star Plans there is a laughable number of alternative versions of how that supposedly happened.
(It rarely involves Bothans) The most obvious version being it's the plot of the old Dark Forces Videogame so central to the identity of Kyle Kataern.

I would have preferred a lighter touch on the E.U's. removal as it is a body of material that when taken as a whole to me feels more like Star Wars than much Prequel era stuff does
If only as ; it wasn't always about Jedi (when it started) and in a pre-prequel mode of thought, we didn't at that time see Jedi as some sort of super-powered beings - or at least not as much of that - Luke at that time seemed like a normal guy who just happened to be learning to do extraordinary things - as time progressed he's actually become less likeable to me though as he was written more and more like a prequel Jedi - I still think they chickened out of making him a villain after he erroneously manipulated Jana into murdering her brother.

I guess I'm sulking a bit as the whole timeline is now screwed up in comparison to where it was going before trying to reach the point it melded into the "Legacy" future.

Now all of that is is just 'gone', and I'm back to wondering will we get more of the Jedi centred brand going forward ?

Rogue One & Even the Han Solo & Boba Fett Movies does give me a tiny tiny bit of hope that someone at least understands that Star Wars doesn't have to "Just" be some guy dancing about often inappropriately dressed in desert garb with a glowy stick to be Star Wars.

I think I can do without a Yoda Movie though unless it's one big Apology for how Yoda is handled in The Attack of the Clones & Revenge of the Sith ; such a Movie is only going to hurt the guy further especially if they follow the idea of him as someone who accidentally causes the genocide of his entire race. I can't see that helping.

I suppose on one level it might actually be impossible to understand Star Wars less than an elderly George Lucas did... I've never trusted that guy since he interfered with the Novels #spoilers#-> and made them turn Jasen Bad and kill off Anakin Solo for no reason that made no sense.

The irony of that was the writers just invented Ben Skywalker and then threw all of Anakin Solo's traits on to him instead.

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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby Madeus Prime » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:00 am

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...Am I the only one who is looking forward to this and actually really likes JJ's work?

Jeez, I understand you're all cynical about this, and that comment about being filled with horror at the animatronic creations cut particularly deep, but this is Star Wars, this isn't Transformers 5! We (meaning I, apparently) can actually believe that this movie is going to be fantastic.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

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Like Republic Commando. Or more than half of Clone Wars. Or KOTOR and its sequels.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

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Like Republic Commando. Or more than half of Clone Wars. Or KOTOR and its sequels.

Wait which half of clone wars? I really liked the "original" animated series from like 2002.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

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Madeus Prime wrote:...Am I the only one who is looking forward to this and actually really likes JJ's work?

Jeez, I understand you're all cynical about this, and that comment about being filled with horror at the animatronic creations cut particularly deep, but this is Star Wars, this isn't Transformers 5! We (meaning I, apparently) can actually believe that this movie is going to be fantastic.

No, you're not the only one - I'm right there with you. I enjoyed his first Star Trek, Into Darkness was okay, and Cloverfield was interesting. I don't have a reason to doubt this Star Wars won't be at least entertaining when it's all said and done. I like his decision to try to take an old-school approach to this movie - that alone will raise it above the prequel trilogy. I'm reserving judgment on one or two aspects of the movie (one of which is Adam Driver's casting), but overall I'm excited & optimistic about Ep. VII and can't wait for December (Merry Christmas, Earth).
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby Ironhidensh » Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:10 pm

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Madeus Prime wrote:...Am I the only one who is looking forward to this and actually really likes JJ's work?

Jeez, I understand you're all cynical about this, and that comment about being filled with horror at the animatronic creations cut particularly deep, but this is Star Wars, this isn't Transformers 5! We (meaning I, apparently) can actually believe that this movie is going to be fantastic.

I'm actually a huge fan of JJ. Loved his Star Trek movies, lens flare and all.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby RAR » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:08 pm

I'm not really trying to be quite so much as a debbie downer as I may come across - I'm sure the new Star Wars Movie will be "OK" on some level - all I'm saying is I don't anticipating it actually being so fantastic that it can completely justify the removal of the entire Expanded Universe.

I understand Star Wars isn't a single franchise any more it's two franchises the Parent and the child (the Prequel era) I am just curious as to see how much of the Prequels will creep into the tone of Episode 7 and the spin-off movies.

For example will they make adjustments to the spin-offs if people don't like them or will they use George's Excuse that it's designed for a younger Generation and the older fans will just have to take it as it is Good or bad.

I was watching some Videos by the more rabid Star Trek fans who dislike Abrams Star Trek and thought I likely would not have noticed much of what they were complaining about at a 1st viewing I noticed some of what they said after later thought and what they pointed out I'll remember now too - so I wonder if JJ has the care for the detail or if he will compromise the Universe to fit his personal story vision and in the process perhaps harm future spin-offs and sequels made by others.

Basically I just have concern that Star Wars is being trod all over and not treated like a lady.

Oh and no I'm not a fan of the Clone Wars cartoon - it was fine as a short to fill in some gaps but there did really seem to me that they needed to stretch it out as much as they did, and some things they added actively harmed the franchise ; like the whole refusal of the call thing with the "Force Gods" is enough to make any fan of the original films 'flinch' as much as Midiclorians or Yoda with a Lightsaber does.

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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby Va'al » Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:18 am

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The thing about the Expanded Universe, though, is that it hasn't been cancelled!
Unless someone has come to your place, burned the books, smashed the games, and generally had a very stern word about it with you, that section of the media still exists.

Sure, it's not considered 'canon' - but does that remove the enjoyment I get when I see a badly animated Admiral Thrawn scowl at me in Tie Fighter? No! :D
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby Shadowman » Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:25 am

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RAR wrote:I noticed a deteriation in quality of the Expanded Universe Material after the Prequels started to influence it more and more - before then you would get stories that were not just about the Skywalker's extended family. after then that seems like almost all you got.


Like Republic Commando. Or more than half of Clone Wars. Or KOTOR and its sequels.

Wait which half of clone wars? I really liked the "original" animated series from like 2002.
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I meant half of the CGI cartoon. There were more than a few stories that didn't have Anakin in them at all, and just as many where if he did appear, it was in a minor role. Then in Rebels, Vader has only ever shown up sparingly.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Postby Madeus Prime » Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:16 am

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Dragonslayer wrote:No, you're not the only one - I'm right there with you. I enjoyed his first Star Trek, Into Darkness was okay, and Cloverfield was interesting. I don't have a reason to doubt this Star Wars won't be at least entertaining when it's all said and done. I like his decision to try to take an old-school approach to this movie - that alone will raise it above the prequel trilogy. I'm reserving judgment on one or two aspects of the movie (one of which is Adam Driver's casting), but overall I'm excited & optimistic about Ep. VII and can't wait for December (Merry Christmas, Earth).

Ironhidensh wrote:I'm actually a huge fan of JJ. Loved his Star Trek movies, lens flare and all.

Thank you! And I do agree, the only thing I'm worried about is the villain, the fact that he's human and only has a mask to give him a sense of scariness is kind of ruined by the fact that he's not very impressive looking. I mean, for all the faults of the prequel trilogy, I actually liked Darth Maul and Count Dooku (Only really because I love the late Christopher Lee). Anyways, still, going to be interesting to see how they write this villain.

RAR wrote:I'm not a fan of the Clone Wars cartoon - it was fine as a short to fill in some gaps but there did really seem to me that they needed to stretch it out as much as they did, and some things they added actively harmed the franchise ; like the whole refusal of the call thing with the "Force Gods" is enough to make any fan of the original films 'flinch' as much as Midiclorians or Yoda with a Lightsaber does.

For once we do agree on something. Clone wars had its highlights, but overall it was boring and the characters got real stale, real quick.
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