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Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Venomous Prime » Sun May 03, 2009 8:01 pm

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I'm not sure if Luke has ever done it, but Starkiller was able to use the force to bring down a Star Destroyer. They both defeated Vader. Starkiller was closer to defeating the Emperor then Luke.

Starkiller started the rebellion, Luke helped the rebellion win. Alpha vs Omega.

Who takes it?
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Tristar » Sun May 03, 2009 9:01 pm

At what point are we talking post Vong invasion luke or just post Death star II? Post Vong look could win post Death star II well it'd be close but, I'd say Starkiller because he's willing to use the Dark side.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Bloodlust » Sun May 03, 2009 11:28 pm

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I'd have to agree.

Post Vong Luke takes it

Death Star II Luke loses because of Starkillers ability to use the dark side and he's actually stronger in the force, unless Luke manages to reveal the good in him and turns him to the light side.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Shadowman » Mon May 04, 2009 10:36 pm

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Starkiller wins. He's not necessarily light or dark, so he doesn't have a Jedi's moral restrictions or a Sith's power-hungry maliciousness. He's the poster-boy for the Potentium.

While Luke was undoubtedly powerful, I don't think he was anywhere near as powerful as Galen. I don't see Luke dropping Star Destroyers out of the sky, and that would have really helped in a lot of places.

Also, Luke was just there as the Emperor died; Starkiller would have done it himself had Rahm Kota not interfered. That scene still confuses me; why do people keep defending Palpatine's right to life? When you tell someone to back off from killing him, they usually die right after.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Senor Hugo » Thu May 07, 2009 7:41 am

Well there is also the prophecy to look at. Anakin is the one who is supposed to bring balance to the force.

Kota knew of his destiny to help Starkiller, and Starkiller's destiny to create the rebellion.

So he probably also knew of Anakin's destiny.

Though I think Kota also knew that in Starkiller's current state at the end of TFU, had he killed the Emperor he would have been lost to the darkside. But, if Starkiller was calm, a nice Jedi apathetic calm, he probably wouldn't have stopped Starkiller.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Shadowman » Thu May 07, 2009 9:35 am

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Senor Hugo wrote:Well there is also the prophecy to look at. Anakin is the one who is supposed to bring balance to the force.

Kota knew of his destiny to help Starkiller, and Starkiller's destiny to create the rebellion.

So he probably also knew of Anakin's destiny.

Though I think Kota also knew that in Starkiller's current state at the end of TFU, had he killed the Emperor he would have been lost to the darkside. But, if Starkiller was calm, a nice Jedi apathetic calm, he probably wouldn't have stopped Starkiller.


I'm not sure how many people were still on board with the Prophecy after Order 66. Some weren't even on board before Order 66. (Mace Windu in parrticular)

That said, putting the alignment of Starkiller above the fate of the entire Galaxy is an extremely bad move on Kota's part.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Armorock » Thu May 07, 2009 7:27 pm

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Starkiller was one of the most powerful force users ever to exists. He beat Vader and Palpatine, and they were the best. But I'd have to say Skywalker wins. Starkiller died in the end (sorry if you didn't already know that) so he never got anymore powerful. Skywalker continued to grow in the force rapidly during the Yuuzhan Vong wars and beyond. He even got Dark Side training from one of Palpatine's clones. When the Jedi attacked the Yuuzhan Vong homeworld, Luke's saber might as well have been a thousand. Jaina and Jacen Solo couldn't even see him moving. Starkiller is stinkin awesome but Jedi Master Luke Skywalker is untouchable.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby That1smartdude » Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:15 pm

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It really depends. Luke from anywhere before ESB would definitely not stand a chance, since he has had very little formal training. However, after training with Yoda, Luke's skills were far greater, and by the end of ESB, I believe he would definitely at least stand a chance, though likely wouldn't be able to score the victory. Luke from RotJ or later would almost certainly be able to defeat Starkiller. I came to this conclusion using several obvious and widely accepted facts. First, Starkiller's duels with Vader were always immensely difficult, and he barely pulled through both times. During Galen Marek's duel against Vader in TFU, even with Marek's best use of form III, he sustained constant injuries from Vader's assaults, only managing to defeat the Dark Lord by goading him with various taunts until Vader lost his cool and got sloppy. In Starkiller's duel at the end of TFU II, the novel states that Starkiller was actually unable to best Vader in single combat, and had to deceive him instead. By RotJ, Luke had greatly surpassed Vader. Go ahead and rewatch Luke's duel against Vader (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A). Vader held nothing back (As evidenced by his repeated attempts to kill Luke whenever Luke dropped his guard, slashing straight for Luke's head when Luke deactivated his lightsaber). And yet, in the first 8 seconds, Luke was able to completely overwhelm Vader with relative ease. The only time Vader ever had Luke on the defensive is when Luke simply calmed his nerves and lost the will to fight. For the rest of the battle, Luke was completely, 100% in control. And even when Luke had lost his will to fight, Vader still couldn't come close to landing a single successful strike. This means Luke definitely has the edge on Starkiller as far as lightsaber combat goes. Luke is insanely adaptable, and is definitely not easy to intimidate (He took down a f***ing Rancor. I doubt Starkiller's aggressive attacks or dual blades would spook him much). Also, thanks to journals left in Ben Kenobi's hut, along with his instinctive knowledge from the duel on Bespin, Luke has a vast knowledge of lightsaber forms, including knowledge of forms II, III, V, and VII. And to top it all off, Luke's learning curve is out of this world! Watch his first fight with Vader on Bespin. For the first few moments, Luke is totally outclassed. But as soon as he gets his second wind, he's completely adapted to Vader's style, and is then able to overcome the Dark Lord of the Sith himself! Vader had to resort to Force-based assaults and a complete change in his fighting style (Shifting from a heavily form II and form V influenced style to pure form VII, giving up all sense of defense for an absurdly overwhelming offense) in order to defeat Luke in ESB. And even after using everything he had against Luke, the completely inexperience duelist actually managed to land a successful strike on Vader's shoulder. Luke managed to land a blow on the most deadly Jedi hunter of all time, in their first encounter, with little experience! Had that been any other duelist, that strike would have literally disarmed them, if not killed them instantly. It was only Vader's durable armor that saved the Dark Lord. Starkiller, for all his skill, simply would not be able to match that level of instinctive natural talent. Any new trick he could throw at Luke, Skywalker would quickly adapt to and counter in some way. Then we come to the Force based aspect of their duel. Luke's skills in the force by RotJ have been greatly underestimated, even by many Luke fanboys. In ESB, during his training with Yoda, we see Luke has extreme talent with telekinesis, able to lift several different objects and balance various rocks with perfect precision. Sure, at that point, it took quite a bit of concentration to pull it off. But by RotJ, I'm fairly certain that level of precision would be a simple matter for Luke, requiring no real thought or effort. In the beginning of RotJ, Luke yanks a blaster from a man's holster in the blink of an eye using the Force. This is the fastest they've ever shown an object move as a result of the Force, discounting Sidious' duel with Yoda. In every other instance in the Star Wars movies, whenever an object is telekinetically moved, it rumbles for a second in its place before accelerating toward it's target. In this case, there was no brief moment where the blaster started to get tugged. It simply flew from its holster into Luke's hand, without Luke having to give the blaster a moment of concentration beforehand. At first, I just ignored this little incident, but after seeing the way he effortlessly hovered C-3PO in the Ewok village, showing no signs of effort or fatigue on his face, and with barely a split second of concentration, I realized it was entirely possible that Luke's Force talent had already reached a level in RotJ that surpassed any established Force user other than perhaps Sidious himself, as far as the movies were concerned. With that in mind, I'm completely certain RotJ Luke could withstand any telekinetic assault Starkiller threw at him. After all, Starkiller's telekinetic assaults weren't exactly that powerful, even in the extremely exaggerated games. Vader and Sidious were both able to shrug off Starkiller's telekinetic assaults as if they were nothing. (For the record, any idiot who tries to say "Starkiller pulled down a Star Destroyer," let me just tell you... That is total BS! According to the novel, the Star Destroyer was already falling, and Starkiller just BARELY managed to redirect it so the ship wouldn't land on his head. And after redirecting it, Starkiller was so drained that he collapsed from exhaustion, and it nearly cost him his life. Another fact worth noting is that Starkiller did not truly defeat Sidious. After all of Starkiller's attacks, Sidious is the one who walked away unharmed, while Starkiller's corpse lay smoldering on the floor. Meanwhile, post-RotJ Luke managed to defeat a clone of Sidious, which was in its physical prime, and was stronger in the Force than ever before.) Leaving Starkiller with only one weapon, Force Lightning. And as the games' bosses proved, Starkiller's lightning, while immensely powerful and destructive, can be blocked by a lightsaber. Given Luke's immense talent with a lightsaber, it would be a simple matter for him to defend against said lightning. I can therefore say, with complete certainty, that RotJ Luke would definitely stand a fighting chance against Starkiller, and could conceivably pull off a win with little effort. Any version of Luke after that would just be overkill. Please, if you disagree in any way with a single thing I just said, try to come up with a logical argument. I'll admit, Starkiller is powerful, and if I'm overlooking anything, it'd be nice to know. Though I am fairly certain with my analysis.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Blast Cannon » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:34 pm

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That1smartdude wrote:Please, if you disagree in any way with a single thing I just said, try to come up with a logical argument. I'll admit, Starkiller is powerful, and if I'm overlooking anything, it'd be nice to know. Though I am fairly certain with my analysis.


You're overlooking the fact that they are both fictional characters and so it doesn't really matter.

You're also overlooking the fact that the real world is full of joy, up to and including sex, and I urge you to seek it in all its glories.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Shadowman » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:54 pm

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That1smartdude wrote:Watch his first fight with Vader on Bespin. For the first few moments, Luke is totally outclassed. But as soon as he gets his second wind, he's completely adapted to Vader's style, and is then able to overcome the Dark Lord of the Sith himself!


If by "overcome" you mean "Lost his hand then fell into a bottomless pit" then yeah, that's what happened.

That1smartdude wrote:Luke is insanely adaptable, and is definitely not easy to intimidate (He took down a f***ing Rancor. I doubt Starkiller's aggressive attacks or dual blades would spook him much).


Starkiller fought and killed several of those.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby That1smartdude » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:21 am

Shadowman wrote:
That1smartdude wrote:Watch his first fight with Vader on Bespin. For the first few moments, Luke is totally outclassed. But as soon as he gets his second wind, he's completely adapted to Vader's style, and is then able to overcome the Dark Lord of the Sith himself!


If by "overcome" you mean "Lost his hand then fell into a bottomless pit" then yeah, that's what happened.

That1smartdude wrote:Luke is insanely adaptable, and is definitely not easy to intimidate (He took down a f***ing Rancor. I doubt Starkiller's aggressive attacks or dual blades would spook him much).


Starkiller fought and killed several of those.


When was the last time you watched the Bespin duel? Luke gains the upper hand on Vader, toppling the Dark Lord down to a lower level, then leaps down with him. Luke did temporarily overcome Vader, forcing Vader to rely on telekinesis and a massive overhaul of his fighting style. I actually mentioned this in my summary. If you had paid attention and read a bit farther, you would've realized that moment is what I was referring to.
As for the Rancor issue, Starkiller being able to bring a few down was totally irrelevant to my point. The point was that Luke does not get intimidated. If you paid any attention to the context, you would have realized that.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby That1smartdude » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:24 am

Blast Cannon wrote:
That1smartdude wrote:Please, if you disagree in any way with a single thing I just said, try to come up with a logical argument. I'll admit, Starkiller is powerful, and if I'm overlooking anything, it'd be nice to know. Though I am fairly certain with my analysis.


You're overlooking the fact that they are both fictional characters and so it doesn't really matter.

You're also overlooking the fact that the real world is full of joy, up to and including sex, and I urge you to seek it in all its glories.


I would like to assure you that I have not overlooked either of the things you pointed out. Believe it or not, I do quite enjoy the real world, and all of its pleasures, sex included. Discussing topics like this one is simply a hobby of mine. As for whether or not fictional characters matter, that's something you should probably bring up at the next Comic-Con.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Shadowman » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:47 pm

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That1smartdude wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
That1smartdude wrote:Watch his first fight with Vader on Bespin. For the first few moments, Luke is totally outclassed. But as soon as he gets his second wind, he's completely adapted to Vader's style, and is then able to overcome the Dark Lord of the Sith himself!


If by "overcome" you mean "Lost his hand then fell into a bottomless pit" then yeah, that's what happened.

That1smartdude wrote:Luke is insanely adaptable, and is definitely not easy to intimidate (He took down a f***ing Rancor. I doubt Starkiller's aggressive attacks or dual blades would spook him much).


Starkiller fought and killed several of those.


When was the last time you watched the Bespin duel? Luke gains the upper hand on Vader, toppling the Dark Lord down to a lower level, then leaps down with him. Luke did temporarily overcome Vader, forcing Vader to rely on telekinesis and a massive overhaul of his fighting style. I actually mentioned this in my summary. If you had paid attention and read a bit farther, you would've realized that moment is what I was referring to.


And yet he still lost that fight. You can say he's so super-adaptable and he totally had Vader on his toes, but that fight still ended with Luke getting his hand cut off then jumping down a pit.

That1smartdude wrote:As for the Rancor issue, Starkiller being able to bring a few down was totally irrelevant to my point. The point was that Luke does not get intimidated. If you paid any attention to the context, you would have realized that.


Starkiller isn't about intimidation, anyway.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby That1smartdude » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:34 pm

Shadowman wrote:
That1smartdude wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
That1smartdude wrote:Watch his first fight with Vader on Bespin. For the first few moments, Luke is totally outclassed. But as soon as he gets his second wind, he's completely adapted to Vader's style, and is then able to overcome the Dark Lord of the Sith himself!


If by "overcome" you mean "Lost his hand then fell into a bottomless pit" then yeah, that's what happened.

That1smartdude wrote:Luke is insanely adaptable, and is definitely not easy to intimidate (He took down a f***ing Rancor. I doubt Starkiller's aggressive attacks or dual blades would spook him much).


Starkiller fought and killed several of those.


When was the last time you watched the Bespin duel? Luke gains the upper hand on Vader, toppling the Dark Lord down to a lower level, then leaps down with him. Luke did temporarily overcome Vader, forcing Vader to rely on telekinesis and a massive overhaul of his fighting style. I actually mentioned this in my summary. If you had paid attention and read a bit farther, you would've realized that moment is what I was referring to.


And yet he still lost that fight. You can say he's so super-adaptable and he totally had Vader on his toes, but that fight still ended with Luke getting his hand cut off then jumping down a pit.

That1smartdude wrote:As for the Rancor issue, Starkiller being able to bring a few down was totally irrelevant to my point. The point was that Luke does not get intimidated. If you paid any attention to the context, you would have realized that.


Starkiller isn't about intimidation, anyway.


Once again, you're distracting yourself from the main points. First, Luke managed to keep a level head and battle on equal terms with Darth Vader, even though Luke was a complete novice, proving his adaptability and natural talent. Second, the reason I brought up intimidation is because I've seen many people over the years try to say Luke would be intimidated by Starkiller's dual lightsabers. It doesn't matter if intimidation is Starkiller's main tactic or not. The point was simply that Luke would not be intimidated. And third, nothing you've said has in any way proven that Starkiller would have the slightest edge on Luke whatsoever. So, by all the evidence thus far, Luke is still the winner.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Shadowman » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:53 pm

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That1smartdude wrote:First, Luke managed to keep a level head and battle on equal terms with Darth Vader, even though Luke was a complete novice, proving his adaptability and natural talent.


Until Vader switched things up. Luke didn't adapt to that, he kept getting pushed back until he lost his hand. And then he lost his head after he found out who his dad was.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby That1smartdude » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:39 pm

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That1smartdude wrote:First, Luke managed to keep a level head and battle on equal terms with Darth Vader, even though Luke was a complete novice, proving his adaptability and natural talent.


Until Vader switched things up. Luke didn't adapt to that, he kept getting pushed back until he lost his hand. And then he lost his head after he found out who his dad was.


Actually, he did manage to adapt, as you see in both the movie and my analysis. Luke holds a steady defense for quite a while, and even managed to strike what would've been an incapacitating blow on the Sith Lord, had it not been for Vader's armor. The only reason Luke lost his hand is because of Vader's sudden surge of anger after that injury. Seriously, go watch the movie if you don't believe me.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Shadowman » Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:48 am

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That1smartdude wrote:First, Luke managed to keep a level head and battle on equal terms with Darth Vader, even though Luke was a complete novice, proving his adaptability and natural talent.


Until Vader switched things up. Luke didn't adapt to that, he kept getting pushed back until he lost his hand. And then he lost his head after he found out who his dad was.


Actually, he did manage to adapt, as you see in both the movie and my analysis. Luke holds a steady defense for quite a while, and even managed to strike what would've been an incapacitating blow on the Sith Lord, had it not been for Vader's armor. The only reason Luke lost his hand is because of Vader's sudden surge of anger after that injury. Seriously, go watch the movie if you don't believe me.


I did. Maybe you should too, because you're using a fight that Luke lost as evidence of how powerful he is. You can talk about the fundamentals, the styles, all that as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that Luke lost. Beaten. Finito.

Now compare Luke and Starkiller's fights with Sidious. How'd that go again? Oh yeah, Starkiller had Sidious on the floor, and only died because Sidious pulled a sucker punch while Starkiller was distracted. Luke was just on the floor and needed Vader to save him. Funny how that works out.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

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Blast Cannon wrote:
That1smartdude wrote:Please, if you disagree in any way with a single thing I just said, try to come up with a logical argument. I'll admit, Starkiller is powerful, and if I'm overlooking anything, it'd be nice to know. Though I am fairly certain with my analysis.


You're overlooking the fact that they are both fictional characters and so it doesn't really matter.

You're also overlooking the fact that the real world is full of joy, up to and including sex, and I urge you to seek it in all its glories.


I would like to assure you that I have not overlooked either of the things you pointed out. Believe it or not, I do quite enjoy the real world, and all of its pleasures, sex included. Discussing topics like this one is simply a hobby of mine. As for whether or not fictional characters matter, that's something you should probably bring up at the next Comic-Con.


I don't believe you.

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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby That1smartdude » Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:48 pm

Shadowman wrote:
That1smartdude wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
That1smartdude wrote:First, Luke managed to keep a level head and battle on equal terms with Darth Vader, even though Luke was a complete novice, proving his adaptability and natural talent.


Until Vader switched things up. Luke didn't adapt to that, he kept getting pushed back until he lost his hand. And then he lost his head after he found out who his dad was.


Actually, he did manage to adapt, as you see in both the movie and my analysis. Luke holds a steady defense for quite a while, and even managed to strike what would've been an incapacitating blow on the Sith Lord, had it not been for Vader's armor. The only reason Luke lost his hand is because of Vader's sudden surge of anger after that injury. Seriously, go watch the movie if you don't believe me.


I did. Maybe you should too, because you're using a fight that Luke lost as evidence of how powerful he is. You can talk about the fundamentals, the styles, all that as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that Luke lost. Beaten. Finito.

Now compare Luke and Starkiller's fights with Sidious. How'd that go again? Oh yeah, Starkiller had Sidious on the floor, and only died because Sidious pulled a sucker punch while Starkiller was distracted. Luke was just on the floor and needed Vader to save him. Funny how that works out.


I'm not using the Bespin fight as an example of how POWERFUL Luke is, I'm using it as an example of how ADAPTABLE he is. And for the record, Luke DID NOT fight Sidious. He tossed his lightsaber away, remember? The whole point of that was Luke saying he was done fighting. Starkiller, on the other hand, did not truly defeat Sidious. According to the novel, which is the true canon, not the games, Starkiller did not even have a duel with Sidious. Sidious simply dropped to his knees, saying that he had lost. Very similar to how Sidious told Luke that he was unarmed, and goaded Luke into striking at him. There was no fight whatsoever. Then when Kota and Starkiller were walking away, Sidious launched lightning at Kota, not Starkiller. Starkiller was not distracted, as you said. He willingly stepped between the lightning and Kota in an attempt to save his friend, and didn't have nearly enough strength to defeat the Emperor. Starkiller took a step toward Sidious and grabbed the Sith Lord by the shoulders in an effort to at least make Sidious share in his pain, channeling the lightning back at the Emperor. When that failed to stop Sidious, Starkiller released himself to the Force and detonated. The Emperor walked away from the explosion without the slightest sign of injury. In the long run, Starkiller didn't fair any better against Sidious than Luke did. Get your facts straight.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Shadowman » Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:28 pm

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Ah, okay, so it only counts if you say it counts, got it.

Starkiller still wins, though, seeing as Luke has never been shown to fight or use the Force on the same level as him.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby That1smartdude » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:45 pm

Shadowman wrote:Ah, okay, so it only counts if you say it counts, got it.

Starkiller still wins, though, seeing as Luke has never been shown to fight or use the Force on the same level as him.


What do you mean, it only counts if I say it does? Everything I've said so far has been backed up by actual facts. Did you not read my analysis? Luke has been shown using telekinesis on an exceptional level, and Luke's dueling skills are every bit as great, if not greater. You have not given a single ounce of evidence to suggest Starkiller can actually defeat Luke. You're nothing but an ignorant fanboy, and until you actually bring some real evidence, I say Luke is equal to, if not greater than Starkiller in both Force abilities and lightsaber skill.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Blast Cannon » Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:16 pm

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Shadowman wrote:Ah, okay, so it only counts if you say it counts, got it.

Starkiller still wins, though, seeing as Luke has never been shown to fight or use the Force on the same level as him.


What do you mean, it only counts if I say it does? Everything I've said so far has been backed up by actual facts. Did you not read my analysis? Luke has been shown using telekinesis on an exceptional level, and Luke's dueling skills are every bit as great, if not greater. You have not given a single ounce of evidence to suggest Starkiller can actually defeat Luke. You're nothing but an ignorant fanboy, and until you actually bring some real evidence, I say Luke is equal to, if not greater than Starkiller in both Force abilities and lightsaber skill.


I've got evidence right here. It's my very own fan fiction, which is every bit as canon and valid as the extended universe shite you're backing your entire flimsy argument on:

"Once, Starkiller blew up an entire planet using the power of his mind alone."

There you go, evidence. You're nothing but a pseudo-intellectual geek with an axe to grind, and until you actually bring some real evidence of some kind of life beyond your parent's basement, I'm afraid the inhabitants of this website will continue to assume that you are a sad, strange little man who puts far too much stock in his ability to argue the toss over what amounts to be two meaningless and fictional characters. Whatever gets you through the day though.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby That1smartdude » Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:44 pm

Blast Cannon wrote:
That1smartdude wrote:
Shadowman wrote:Ah, okay, so it only counts if you say it counts, got it.

Starkiller still wins, though, seeing as Luke has never been shown to fight or use the Force on the same level as him.


What do you mean, it only counts if I say it does? Everything I've said so far has been backed up by actual facts. Did you not read my analysis? Luke has been shown using telekinesis on an exceptional level, and Luke's dueling skills are every bit as great, if not greater. You have not given a single ounce of evidence to suggest Starkiller can actually defeat Luke. You're nothing but an ignorant fanboy, and until you actually bring some real evidence, I say Luke is equal to, if not greater than Starkiller in both Force abilities and lightsaber skill.


I've got evidence right here. It's my very own fan fiction, which is every bit as canon and valid as the extended universe shite you're backing your entire flimsy argument on:

"Once, Starkiller blew up an entire planet using the power of his mind alone."

There you go, evidence. You're nothing but a pseudo-intellectual geek with an axe to grind, and until you actually bring some real evidence of some kind of life beyond your parent's basement, I'm afraid the inhabitants of this website will continue to assume that you are a sad, strange little man who puts far too much stock in his ability to argue the toss over what amounts to be two meaningless and fictional characters. Whatever gets you through the day though.


The EU novels are part of the official canon. Your fanfiction, however [i]brilliant[i] it might be, is not. And as for my life outside of this site, that's hardly relevant to this issue. I would assure you that I have a life outside of this site, but I can tell there would be little point, since you certainly wouldn't believe me. If you see no point in people discussing which fictional character is superior, then I would like to ask why you bother even commenting on this forum. Surely you can find better uses of your time? I hardly see how degrading strangers on a website can help improve your life in any way. Oh well, each to his own.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

Postby Shadowman » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:54 am

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That1smartdude wrote:What do you mean, it only counts if I say it does?


You literally just said that the games don't count, only the books do. If you're going to try to argue that my points don't count because the games aren't "canon" and the books are, then I'm not going to bother with you anymore.
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Re: Starkiller vs Luke Skywalker

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That1smartdude wrote:
Blast Cannon wrote:
That1smartdude wrote:
Shadowman wrote:Ah, okay, so it only counts if you say it counts, got it.

Starkiller still wins, though, seeing as Luke has never been shown to fight or use the Force on the same level as him.


What do you mean, it only counts if I say it does? Everything I've said so far has been backed up by actual facts. Did you not read my analysis? Luke has been shown using telekinesis on an exceptional level, and Luke's dueling skills are every bit as great, if not greater. You have not given a single ounce of evidence to suggest Starkiller can actually defeat Luke. You're nothing but an ignorant fanboy, and until you actually bring some real evidence, I say Luke is equal to, if not greater than Starkiller in both Force abilities and lightsaber skill.


I've got evidence right here. It's my very own fan fiction, which is every bit as canon and valid as the extended universe shite you're backing your entire flimsy argument on:

"Once, Starkiller blew up an entire planet using the power of his mind alone."

There you go, evidence. You're nothing but a pseudo-intellectual geek with an axe to grind, and until you actually bring some real evidence of some kind of life beyond your parent's basement, I'm afraid the inhabitants of this website will continue to assume that you are a sad, strange little man who puts far too much stock in his ability to argue the toss over what amounts to be two meaningless and fictional characters. Whatever gets you through the day though.


The EU novels are part of the official canon. Your fanfiction, however [i]brilliant[i] it might be, is not. And as for my life outside of this site, that's hardly relevant to this issue. I would assure you that I have a life outside of this site, but I can tell there would be little point, since you certainly wouldn't believe me. If you see no point in people discussing which fictional character is superior, then I would like to ask why you bother even commenting on this forum. Surely you can find better uses of your time? I hardly see how degrading strangers on a website can help improve your life in any way. Oh well, each to his own.


I love that, as Shadowman says, you can decide which version of the story is the 'true' version, as your little tirade about the differences between the novel and the game alludes to. The game is part of the official Star Wars universe and its events are every bit as relevant as your EU nonsense.

No, I wouldn't believe you. I comment on this forum for a little bit of fun and treat it in the light-hearted manner for which it was intended, yet every so often the likes of you arrive and start to actually attempt to talk down to people on a Transformer's message board whilst debating the powers of two fictional characters. Your sentence about attempting to degrade strangers on a website is somewhat ironic considering how snarky you've been with a person who has tried to engage you in an actual debate. But please, do continue to inform us about how wrong we are in a debate somewhat influenced by interpretation, because that doesn't at all matter and you are so very right.
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