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Re: Still complaining about Movieverse Optimus Prime?

Postby Slashercon » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:28 pm

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Chupacabra Convoy wrote:While Megatron did call for a truce at the end, I'm not sure how it would work exactly. I mean would Megatron still call for the human race to be slaves to fix Cybertron? Also, considering how vastly out numbered the Autobots are, wouldn't any truce be more like a formal surrender than actual truce? It goes against Prime's main goal which was to work with humanity to protect them from the Decepticons, which was the idea from the first movie.

Further more, if Prime had accepted, it doesn't mean that the rest of the planet would've followed suit. The relationship with the humans was all ready tenuous at best. If Optimus had accepted a truce with Megatron leading both forces, then the Autobots as a whole, would've been lumped in with the cons. At that point, if I was POTUS, my finger would've been the button (IE: Launching Nukes at Chicago[I would be more triggerhappy, than Triggerhappy]). So that's one reason for killing Megatron and Sentinel Prime.

The other? They started the war. A war which caused them to cripple Cybertron. In most cases, any Megatrons' post civil war plans always involve turing Cybertron into a mobile planetary fortress to be the heart of his intergalactic empire. I am going out on a limb and assume Movie Megatron's plans were the same. Also, Sentinel and Megatron share the view that all Transformers are gods compared to anything else. So even if a truce was made, I don't think either of them would've tolerated taking orders from humanity. Prime doesn't share that view at all. Even if Humanity hates his race, he still views it as a personal responsibility to protect them. Their (Megatron's and Prime's )ideologies are just too opposite from each other to be in a peacefully coexistence for anything longer than a short amount of time. Much like Magneto and Xavier.

On a personal level, Prime (I think) was too disgusted with them to even consider a truce. He just had to destroy his home world because of them, and their ambitions. There might've been a chance to someday work towards fixing Cybertron, but now thanks to them, not only are the Transformers nearly extinct, but any hope of restoring Cybertron looks to be over, finished. In Prime's mind, if Sentinel choose to reward the Autobots' faith in Sentinel, they might've been able to win the war with the space bridge tech, but he choose to betray them. Also Megatron's mad ambition had finally went too far. Everything Prime had ever believed in or cherished was destroyed by them. After millions of years of that, I would hate them more than anything for turning me into a warmonger by default and for damn near killing everyone I ever knew. He knows what happens when two Hitlers are allowed to live. Did they show remorse? Yes, but no amount remorse shown by them justifies their continued existence.

Also, after 27 years, it is great to see Prime end it.




I think you said everything that needed to be said about the ending to DOTM. I'm still dissapointed in the ending. But i have a better perspective on the matter now.
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Re: Still complaining about Movieverse Optimus Prime?

Postby Slashercon » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:33 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:No no no...

Sentinel got hit like, 3 times and had his hat knocked off. He shot friends in the back.

Megatron just 10 seconds earlier betrayed his greatest partnership.

In a good dojo, students are taught that "Dead tigers are the ones that kill you." Meaning that it's the battles you assume you've won that are easily lost. Good for Prime to finish what had to be done.


I'm not debating whether they deserved to die (they did). I'm saying that when Optimus them, they were no longer threats: Megatron was definitely not going to kill Optimus. He had the opportunity to let Optimus die, and he chose to save him. He then had the opportunity to kill an injured Optimus, and chose not to. Plus, his army was utterly defeated and the grand scheme had failed.

Similarly, Sentinel was beaten to the point he couldn't even get up. Optimus had time to have a ridiculous conversation with Megatron, kill him, get Megatron's gun and then exchange a few words with Sentinel...by which point Sentinel could still barely prop himself up with his arms. He was not a threat.

The point is, this was a movie; it's generally fine to kill the villains, but very rarely are they in a situation like Megatron or Sentinel. I can't think of another scenario where the bad guy saves the hero, offers a truce and is brutally killed anyway (by the 'hero' supposedly being a through-and-through good guy).




Megatron's tone of voice sure didn't sound like he was serious about that truce (unlike in the comic where he is very saddened and serious).
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Re: Still complaining about Movieverse Optimus Prime?

Postby cotss2012 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:40 pm

Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.
I do not blame Michael Bay for crapping all over a huge part of my childhood. He just directed the scripts that were given to him. I blame Orci, Kurtzman, and Krueger, who seem completely incapable of concocting a story that even halfway makes sense.

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Re: Still complaining about Movieverse Optimus Prime?

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:56 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.

I don't think Transformers can cry. The way I see it is Optimus accepted that Cybertron is gone centuries ago. He would like to see it restored, but not if it's going to cost another race.
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Re: Still complaining about Movieverse Optimus Prime?

Postby SlyTF1 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:03 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.

I don't think Transformers can cry. The way I see it is Optimus accepted that Cybertron is gone centuries ago. He would like to see it restored, but not if it's going to cost another race.



Bumblebee cried in ROTF. Optimus also gave a pause in ROTF when he was talking to Sam in the graveyard.
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Re: Still complaining about Movieverse Optimus Prime?

Postby cotss2012 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:41 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.

I don't think Transformers can cry. The way I see it is Optimus accepted that Cybertron is gone centuries ago. He would like to see it restored, but not if it's going to cost another race.



Bumblebee cried in ROTF. Optimus also gave a pause in ROTF when he was talking to Sam in the graveyard.


Not counting all the times we've seen them piss, spit, fart...
I do not blame Michael Bay for crapping all over a huge part of my childhood. He just directed the scripts that were given to him. I blame Orci, Kurtzman, and Krueger, who seem completely incapable of concocting a story that even halfway makes sense.

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Re: Still complaining about Movieverse Optimus Prime?

Postby SlyTF1 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:52 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.

I don't think Transformers can cry. The way I see it is Optimus accepted that Cybertron is gone centuries ago. He would like to see it restored, but not if it's going to cost another race.



Bumblebee cried in ROTF. Optimus also gave a pause in ROTF when he was talking to Sam in the graveyard.


Not counting all the times we've seen them piss, spit, fart...


So, aliens have similar body functions to humans? Your point?
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Re: Still complaining about Movieverse Optimus Prime?

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:09 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.

I don't think Transformers can cry. The way I see it is Optimus accepted that Cybertron is gone centuries ago. He would like to see it restored, but not if it's going to cost another race.



Bumblebee cried in ROTF.

Oh yeah I forgot about that. Although I think he was just playing it up.
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Re: Still complaining about Movieverse Optimus Prime?

Postby SlyTF1 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 pm

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Evil_the_Nub wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.

I don't think Transformers can cry. The way I see it is Optimus accepted that Cybertron is gone centuries ago. He would like to see it restored, but not if it's going to cost another race.



Bumblebee cried in ROTF.

Oh yeah I forgot about that. Although I think he was just playing it up.


He cried when Sam died too. Well, you didn't see tears, but you could hear him...
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Re: Still complaining about Movieverse Optimus Prime?

Postby reluttr » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:24 am

Tekka wrote:What I don't agree with is the apparent five second anti-climactic death he was given, instead of having a Megatron VS Prime epic battle that such a beloved character deserved to go out in. In my opinion.


Ehh, by that point megatron was not exactly in his "prime". It would had ended in a similar manner regardless, Even if prime had given him a fair chance to defend himself.


As far as the decepticon forces being completely destroyed. Thanks to the Marvel comics and Japanese tv episodes, bay has SEVERAL storylines to puzzle in as a expansion to the third movie.

Basically here they are....

-Jhiaxus, basically make it where they was a faction of conquesting decepticons that splintered off from the main branch when megatron went on his mad search for the cube. After the recent destruction of cybertron it peaked warlord jhiaxus's interest in what caused the utter destruction of his home world and has journeyed to earth to steal what ever weapon or technology could do this.

-Overlord, Similar story to Jhiaxus. But make it where megatron wanted to create colony's offworld of cybertron to expand the decepticon reach and act as a backup plan if anything should ever happen to megatron or the main empire on cybertron. They could even work in black zarak this way by making it where after the cons settled on a planet they converted their space ship into a transforming base and weapon of mass destruction.

The interesting thing about this storyline would be that it could even have a plot twist where devil-z had actually taken over the colony and was using powermasters to control overlord, and devil z himself using his new "technology" had even integrated himself so that he could control the decepticon city/ship/ultimate weapon mech and everything inside it. Adding a larger sense of Big Brother to this off-world decepticon colony. The big climax to the movie being when the autobots discover the true one in charge is a old decaying cyborg inside this gigantic robots head.

-Unicron, yes unicron, Hasbros all time favorite god bot. There really needs to be no explaining here. Basically it involves making Galvatron from the remains of the various dead cons from movie 3. Here is the kicker, galvatron is insane, mostly due to the fact that he also has the 3 corrupted personalitys of the dead cons he was made from... Being megatron, starscream, and shockwave. Fun right?

Of course it could just be a huge mish mash of all 3. Which could work, replace devil z with unicrons spark, Have jhiaxus and overlord be co-generals, and have unicron make shock/scream/tron as a third power in his trio of doom.
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