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People are always complaining about this guy, ranting about how he's a brute and he doesn't act like Optimus Prime should. Well, here's a news flash for you:

BAYFORMERS IS NOT A CHILDREN'S CARTOON SERIES.

In the cartoons, Decepticons are often okay with letting Autobots live as long as they can complete their missions. this is not the case in Bayformers. Decepticons are truly evil. They will kill anyone that gets in their way. You want to see some evil Decepticons? Read Reign of Starscream.

So why did I devote a paragraph to Decepticons in a post regarding Optimus Prime? Because people need to understand that sparing your enemies isn't going to get you far as an Autobot in the Movieverse. This incarnation of Optimus Prime is dealing with some real assholes. You don't win a war without killing your enemies.

This brings me to another point. People constantly claim that Optimus Prime doesn't take lives. (Warning: G1 Movie and Cybertron spoilers ahead for those of you who are new or just haven't seen this stuff yet!) Optimus Prime has been willing to kill in other continuities. In the 1986 movie, everyone's beloved G1 Optimus Prime clearly would have killed Megatron had Hot Rod not stepped in. In Transformers: Cybertron, Optimus Prime killed Galvatron. To claim that Optimus Prime does not kill is ridiculous.

So before you spout any bull about Movieverse Optimus Prime being too violent, remember that Bayformers is not your typical Transformers story. It is not directed towards little kids who hate to see characters dying left and right (remember G1?). The movie series is not simply marketed to the fans. It has to make money, so it's foolish to expect for the characters to be the ones you grew up with when you were little. There are casualties, because that's what people expect from a movie about robots fighting each other. People need to quit it with the fanbitch mentality and actually think things through logically.

That is a very lovely rant, but what are you trying to prove? That bayverse and G1 Prime are not the same characters? Believe me when I say that we "haters" are acutely aware of that.

If your aim is to convince us that we should adore his personality because of that... Well, good luck.

Tekka wrote:That is a very lovely rant, but what are you trying to prove? That bayverse and G1 Prime are not the same characters? Believe me when I say that we "haters" are acutely aware of that.

If your aim is to convince us that we should adore his personality because of that... Well, good luck.

Foolish, to say the least. What you're supposed to understand is that he's different for a reason. I'm not trying to make you adore his personality. I'm pointing out the flawed "reasoning" behind the mindless hate directed towards him by GEEWUNNERS. In a war, each side kills. Bayformers displays that, and rightfully so.

So, you guys would trust Megatron to rebuild Cybertron and not provoke anymore war?


niave.



Prime owned in this movie, and did what he finally needed to do.

Why do you say the hate is mindless? Even at its most basic level, wouldn't you believe that a personality we don't find palatable is a legitimate reason to not like a character?

RodimalToyota wrote:So, you guys would trust Megatron to rebuild Cybertron and not provoke anymore war?


niave.



Prime owned in this movie, and did what he finally needed to do.

Seriously, don't even bother. Don't invent an argument to defeat when it has no relevance to the topic.

Tekka wrote:Why do you say the hate is mindless? Even at its most basic level, wouldn't you believe that a personality we don't find palatable is a legitimate reason to not like a character?

It's mindless if you refuse to at least acknowledge that there is a legitimate reason for Prime's new personality.

This is a fallacy. A given situation or problem does not call for a specific personality type, we judge the merit of a personality based on how one reacts to a situation. It differs from person to person and isn't possible to define absolutely.

In the first film he was very much G1-like. He was tough and sensible but basically got his ass kicked by Megatron until Sam stepped in.

In RotF he was let loose, and I was happy about it. I thought, "Wow, he finally grew some balls."

In DotM it was ratcheted up (no pun intended) even more, and IMO over the top. He was basically a Decepticon. No matter what the argument is, there was no distinction between he and Sentinel, other than the fact that one lived and the other died.

Overall, after taking of my G1 goggles, I approve of this Optimus Prime, largely because he was the central Autobot character. He had to show up and he did. He wasn't just a punching bag. However, his character revised what it means to be an Autobot.

Tekka wrote:This is a fallacy. A given situation or problem does not call for a specific personality type, we judge the merit of a personality based on how one reacts to a situation. It differs from person to person and isn't possible to define absolutely.

False. A situation in which the Decepticons fight to kill warrants an Autobot leader who isn't afraid to kill his enemies. If Movieverse Optimus Prime had the personality of G1 Optimus Prime, he would have been killed repeatedly (because the Matrix of Leadership can bring him back whenever he dies, apparently).

I'm generous with the spoiler tags.