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Tekka wrote:No worries. Let's just consider the matter closed then.

Okay. Just to clarify, I'm not using my bad day as an excuse. I'm just mentioning it to provide insight as to why I posted what I posted.

While Megatron did call for a truce at the end, I'm not sure how it would work exactly. I mean would Megatron still call for the human race to be slaves to fix Cybertron? Also, considering how vastly out numbered the Autobots are, wouldn't any truce be more like a formal surrender than actual truce? It goes against Prime's main goal which was to work with humanity to protect them from the Decepticons, which was the idea from the first movie.

Further more, if Prime had accepted, it doesn't mean that the rest of the planet would've followed suit. The relationship with the humans was all ready tenuous at best. If Optimus had accepted a truce with Megatron leading both forces, then the Autobots as a whole, would've been lumped in with the cons. At that point, if I was POTUS, my finger would've been the button (IE: Launching Nukes at Chicago[I would be more triggerhappy, than Triggerhappy]). So that's one reason for killing Megatron and Sentinel Prime.

The other? They started the war. A war which caused them to cripple Cybertron. In most cases, any Megatrons' post civil war plans always involve turing Cybertron into a mobile planetary fortress to be the heart of his intergalactic empire. I am going out on a limb and assume Movie Megatron's plans were the same. Also, Sentinel and Megatron share the view that all Transformers are gods compared to anything else. So even if a truce was made, I don't think either of them would've tolerated taking orders from humanity. Prime doesn't share that view at all. Even if Humanity hates his race, he still views it as a personal responsibility to protect them. Their (Megatron's and Prime's )ideologies are just too opposite from each other to be in a peacefully coexistence for anything longer than a short amount of time. Much like Magneto and Xavier.

On a personal level, Prime (I think) was too disgusted with them to even consider a truce. He just had to destroy his home world because of them, and their ambitions. There might've been a chance to someday work towards fixing Cybertron, but now thanks to them, not only are the Transformers nearly extinct, but any hope of restoring Cybertron looks to be over, finished. In Prime's mind, if Sentinel choose to reward the Autobots' faith in Sentinel, they might've been able to win the war with the space bridge tech, but he choose to betray them. Also Megatron's mad ambition had finally went too far. Everything Prime had ever believed in or cherished was destroyed by them. After millions of years of that, I would hate them more than anything for turning me into a warmonger by default and for damn near killing everyone I ever knew. He knows what happens when two Hitlers are allowed to live. Did they show remorse? Yes, but no amount remorse shown by them justifies their continued existence.

Also, after 27 years, it is great to see Prime end it.

I've stated before I think the truce was a silly idea, I also fully agree that Megatron needed to be punished for his crimes.

What I don't agree with is the apparent five second anti-climactic death he was given, instead of having a Megatron VS Prime epic battle that such a beloved character deserved to go out in. In my opinion.

In reality, whether I like Prime or not doesn't really factor into it, I'm placing blame squarely with whoever is responsible for writing that scene.

Also, If I had to blame a character, I'd blame Megatron for not taking out Prime while he was down.

Yet another graduate from the school of useless villains.

Also, If I had to blame a character, I'd blame Megatron for not taking out Prime while he was down

Wouldn't have saved him or Sentinel. Only chance Megatron had was for Prime to accept the truce. I just got back from watching it again,(had to take my sisters kids. I told them id take them to see it. I watched it first in 3-D to make sure was ok.) and the pillars were deactived by time Optimus was on the ground struggling for his life. All ships were warped out, and all ground forces were dead. Megatron and Sentinel were last cons standing.


Killing Optimus would have left the remaining autobots with little reason to spare either villain. They had no other troops left, and there were plenty of humans and autobots left to over run them.

Optimus at the point Megatron had disabled Sentinel was holding all cards. Sparing either of them would just be asking for more trouble. They could lead another war if given the chance. This also after Sentinel basically calls Prime out by saying he's too soft to make the hard calls. So Prime takes his mentor's advice and starts with killing him. Both Megatron and Sentinel were counting on Optimus to be soft and let them live. Both were wrong as they'd pushed him too far.

Prime had been betrayed the deepest level possible. His closest friend killed.(brutally I might add.) at the hands of Sentinel Prime. (Jazz at the hands of Megatron.) We see a very fed up Optimus Prime upon his arrival to chicago. He's had enough of this crap. The Decepticons have had their chances, and yet they choose to keep invading his new home. Bring their war to a place innocent of it's creation.

I put myself in Prime shoes, and I'd be every bit as angry and would ended them both too. They had both earned the righteous indigation they'd received. Perhaps far worse. Either way Prime did the right thing, as the Decepticons without any of their leadership would likely be too disorganized to be a threat anytime soon.

So Megatron was screwed anyway. Sucks to be him.

Counterpunch wrote:No no no...

Sentinel got hit like, 3 times and had his hat knocked off. He shot friends in the back.

Megatron just 10 seconds earlier betrayed his greatest partnership.

In a good dojo, students are taught that "Dead tigers are the ones that kill you." Meaning that it's the battles you assume you've won that are easily lost. Good for Prime to finish what had to be done.

I'm not debating whether they deserved to die (they did). I'm saying that when Optimus them, they were no longer threats: Megatron was definitely not going to kill Optimus. He had the opportunity to let Optimus die, and he chose to save him. He then had the opportunity to kill an injured Optimus, and chose not to. Plus, his army was utterly defeated and the grand scheme had failed.

Similarly, Sentinel was beaten to the point he couldn't even get up. Optimus had time to have a ridiculous conversation with Megatron, kill him, get Megatron's gun and then exchange a few words with Sentinel...by which point Sentinel could still barely prop himself up with his arms. He was not a threat.

The point is, this was a movie; it's generally fine to kill the villains, but very rarely are they in a situation like Megatron or Sentinel. I can't think of another scenario where the bad guy saves the hero, offers a truce and is brutally killed anyway (by the 'hero' supposedly being a through-and-through good guy).

Ok, ive seen the film, and i cant remember a truce being offered, i have stated in another thread that im of the opinion that Megs just ripped Sents apart in blind rage after realising he had taken from Megs the leadership (which is dumb because Megs was only the leader for 3 years due to the fallen), after he did sents, he'd calmed and O ripped him apart, i heard no mention of a truce......maybe in the book there was, but in the film, i heard nothing of it.

As for movie Prime, im just not a fan of his design, in fact, i think the only 2 i am a fan of are BB, Skids, Mudflap, and Roadbuster. The vast majority of bot modes im not a fan of.

As for Primes personality, i thought it was a bit odd when i watched ROTF the first time, but i think its about time he stood up and took the fight. Not saying i think its right but A) its a film, and B) They are bloomin robots ffs, who says they have to have our set of morals?

After Megatron tosses Sentinel aside, there's a close up of him and he says "What we need is a truce. All that I ask is that I retain my command...after all, what would you be without me?".

Prime responds with "I'm about to find out!" and then kills him.

There's no blaring music playing either. Not sure how you missed those lines.

I'm just going by reviews from others, it's like putting together a jigsaw, lol. I'm not going to be able to see the movie for months... So by the time I get to see it, all the juicy discussion will be over already. =(

I agree with the original poster. It is what it is. I liked it.