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Cheesinator wrote:After Megatron tosses Sentinel aside, there's a close up of him and he says "What we need is a truce. All that I ask is that I retain my command...after all, what would you be without me?".

Prime responds with "I'm about to find out!" and then kills him.

There's no blaring music playing either. Not sure how you missed those lines.

But thats, yet another issue ive had with all these movies. Its like the people doing the music said, "Dialogue!? Who needs DIALOGUE when we have all this badass momentic music!? DUN-DUN-DA-DUN-DUN-DUH DA DUH DA DUN DUN!..."

The only thing i heard Megatron say is "...retain my command...after all, what would you be without me?"

But thats not just with this movie, thats with all of them. I tend to think Hugo Weaving pissed off the sound editors at some point, so the sound editors literally drown out half of his voice acting just to be dickheads. rofl

vegetacron wrote:

Cheesinator wrote:After Megatron tosses Sentinel aside, there's a close up of him and he says "What we need is a truce. All that I ask is that I retain my command...after all, what would you be without me?".

Prime responds with "I'm about to find out!" and then kills him.

There's no blaring music playing either. Not sure how you missed those lines.

But thats, yet another issue ive had with all these movies. Its like the people doing the music said, "Dialogue!? Who needs DIALOGUE when we have all this badass momentic music!? DUN-DUN-DA-DUN-DUN-DUH DA DUH DA DUN DUN!..."

The only thing i heard Megatron say is "...retain my command...after all, what would you be without me?"

But thats not just with this movie, thats with all of them. I tend to think Hugo Weaving pissed off the sound editors at some point, so the sound editors literally drown out half of his voice acting just to be dickheads. rofl

Im glad im not the only one who didnt hear it. As Veg said, i heard nothing in that part apart from "what would you do without me", the lad i was with saw it tuesday night, and wednesday night and he heard the same, perhaps your Cinema has clearer sound than ours, but im seeing it again on tuesday so i'll listen again

Personally I don't have any problems with OP's portrayal. I mean, yeah, he's alot more violent than the G1 incarnation, but they are living in a much more violent "adult-themed" continutity. I think if Optimus had been more noble, it would have seemed a bit weak, considering the circumstances.

Now, I haven't seen DOTM yet, so I'm not sure how that will play into my opinion of him, but I liked that he was "harder" in these movies. Does OP take it too far in DOTM? I'll find out soon I guess.

As for what it means to be an Autobot in the movie-verse... just look at in the first movie, when Ironhide wants to exterminate Mojo, and then Sam's parents for being annoying. Would that have ever come up in a G1 episode? I don't think so....

in '86 movie optimus arrives in autobot city and practically blasts every single decepticon in his way. i think the mood for optimus was perfect for the movie. he was pissed. and honestly, i dont blame him one bit.

God this forum is like clockwork...

"Blah, blah, blah, Bayformers isn't a children's cartoon it's for adults and MATURE. We have no sense of humor. Let's make a million long-winded threads about how haters are wrong."

This is the second one in one day.

It occured to me that G1 characters and movie characters are about as different as the "John Wayne" style cowboys VS the "Clint Eastwood" style ones... both are heroic figures, but very different in tone and in how they accomplish their goals.

Starscream GaGa wrote:God this forum is like clockwork...

"Blah, blah, blah, Bayformers isn't a children's cartoon it's for adults and MATURE. We have no sense of humor. Let's make a million long-winded threads about how haters are wrong."

This is the second one in one day.

In the weeks before DOTM, there were several Rotf hate threads, (not to mention you starting one) and you didnt seem to have a problem voicing your opinion in nearly all of them. At least this movie is new and relevent.
One things for sure. Like Bay or not, this is one time he did not lie. He stated that when a characters were killed, you were going to care. Concidering we have serverl threads on the matter provesbhe was right. You don't have to agree with how they died or Optimus behavior, but you can't deny it had an affect.

Okay, as a fan of TF and prime for the better part of thirty years I feel I have to put my two cents in.

Optimus has always been a warrior, and yes that means sometimes killing an enemy. The difference I see is that the Bayformer prime is apathetic about violence at best and bloodthirsty at worst. A few key moments stand out in my mind such as killing an unarmed enemy in cold blood in Revenge of the fallen. Again in that movie after already defeating The Fallen he then goes one step too far and rips the face off of him. Are we trying to state that maybe Prime has PTSD and is going a bit over the top? That didn't set well with me for a while and then I saw DOTM, wow just wow. Here we have a Prime that not only shoots a foe in the head that was begging for his life, but he brutally kills Megatron moments after having his life saved by him. Not to mention that this version of Prime allowed God only knows how many civilian casualties because he needed to "teach the humans a lesson about Deceptiocons". It seems to me that the only lesson is that being an Autobot stands for nothing.

Granted this was a "adult oriented" movie, but can you honestly say that this movie wasn't geared towards children? Take one look down the toy store aisle and tell me that it was made for adults. You may think this is stupid and out dated, but kids learn from watching their heroes. This Prime has put some really dark, vengeful ideas in kids heads about what the good guys are supposed to be.

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On the list of things that are wrong with the Bayverse (continuity errors, enemy scrotum, etc.), Prime's slight personality tweaks rank very, very, very low.

Tekka wrote:Also, If I had to blame a character, I'd blame Megatron for not taking out Prime while he was down.

Megatron has a habit of doing this. I'm reminded of the line "We'll terminate the Autobots at our leisure, when our more important work is done." He also repeated Hitler's Dunkirk blunder at least once with "Hey Starscream, let the Autobots win so I can kill them with acid rain instead"

Cheesinator wrote:After Megatron tosses Sentinel aside, there's a close up of him and he says "What we need is a truce. All that I ask is that I retain my command...after all, what would you be without me?".

Prime responds with "I'm about to find out!" and then kills him.

Close.

Megatron: "We need a truce. All I want is to be back in charge. Besides, who would you be without me?"

Optimus: "Time to find out."

It sounds like Megatron wants Optimus to serve him while the human slaves rebuild Cybertron, and Optimus sure wasn't about to put up with that.

Autobot Strider wrote:As for what it means to be an Autobot in the movie-verse... just look at in the first movie, when Ironhide wants to exterminate Mojo, and then Sam's parents for being annoying. Would that have ever come up in a G1 episode? I don't think so....

Indeed, Ironhide was much more out-of-character than Optimus ever was. THAT bugged me... but not as much as "you know we don't harm humans" literally minutes after they've arrived on an unknown alien planet for the very first time.

covenant_of_unicron wrote:Granted this was a "adult oriented" movie, but can you honestly say that this movie wasn't geared towards children? Take one look down the toy store aisle and tell me that it was made for adults.

The MPAA rating indicates that it's aimed at the 13+ crowd.

I never really minded him in the movieverse. I think his level of violence made the character more heroic and epic, and just more interesting to watch.