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Posted: **Mon May 21, 2012 8:59 pm**

Skyfire77 wrote:What everyone else said.
Now, Battleship getting sunk (Worse opening weekend than John Carter, ouch!) by The Avengers this past weekend? That might slow down plans for TF4/TF-Reboot. Maybe.

Aw...I liked Battleship. :-(

Posted: **Mon May 21, 2012 9:32 pm**

Skyfire77 wrote:What everyone else said.
Now, Battleship getting sunk (Worse opening weekend than John Carter, ouch!) by The Avengers this past weekend? That might slow down plans for TF4/TF-Reboot. Maybe.

Established money making franchise versus stupid concept from the beginning?

Yeah ... I seriously doubt Battleship will slow things down.

Posted: **Mon May 21, 2012 9:35 pm**

Skyfire77 wrote:What everyone else said.
Now, Battleship getting sunk (Worse opening weekend than John Carter, ouch!) by The Avengers this past weekend? That might slow down plans for TF4/TF-Reboot. Maybe.

Considering that Battleship was only made so Universal could hold onto the license*, I doubt it. Paramount and Hasbro know they have a good thing going with the Transformers films. No amount of critical scorn can stop the series from succeeding. Battleship was just a throwaway effort by Universal and Hasbro got involved because it was their game.

*Note: Studios have done this before. The horrendous Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie, for example, was made so the license to the characters could be held onto. Usually a license to make a film is lost if you don't make one after a certain amount of time. Universal probably considered making a film and getting at least some money out of it better than just dropping money on the license again if it stagnated. The Transformers film series and it's success probably contributed to the plan too.

Posted: **Mon May 21, 2012 11:41 pm**

SlyTF1 wrote:Yeah, Hasbro and Paramount don't give a damn about what you think. Your efforts are in vain. You are fighting against inevitability; dust struggling against cosmic winds. You have changed nothing. Your petition will fall, Bay will make another movie, you will beg to join us when we get tickets the the midnight premiere of TF4.

Posted: **Tue May 22, 2012 11:17 am**

Well I'm sorry a lot of you are sarcastically skeptical of what the idea behind the petition is. Although we can say we "enjoyed" the films, they are still not as well sculpted and thought out as they should of been. It was nice that third movie grew a pair and had humans killed in it, and the first movie was alright, but you can't ignore that you're just letting yourself be duped again. Think of what happen to Dragon Ball when they made it a live action film (Dragon Ball Evolution), or how about Avatar The Last Airbender. Don't get me started on the 1998 Godzilla film. Sure it was a good "action" film but not a good Godzilla film. Hence why Toho created Godzilla 2000 the next year, and had "Zilla" killed off in Godzilla Final Wars. When people become complacent with how things are spoon fed to them you get things like this:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Michael- ... 30137.html

Yes, Michael Bay continues to tamper with some of the best 80's cartoon series that ever were. I also think a lot of you fail to realize that without demand, there is no driving force for a product to continue. So if you're contempt with being bent over and spoon fed another movie, more than likely up your ass, then by all means don't sign the petition. I mean its not like petitions to bring back Toonami worked.... oh wait a minute

Yeah, sure, speaking up about something doesn't help. Realize I'm not even a child of the 80's, I'm actually trying to help all of you older folk out there with understanding you deserve better! I mean thank god that the Avengers movie was kick ass to fill in some major gaps, but you can't let yourself get cheated again. Don't be the idiot that lets the hot chick think you're going to get laid, but instead humiliates you in front of everyone. You all have voices, and entertainment driven companies are dependent on what you have to say, but only when "all are one"!

You all have the touch, you all have the power to make change. Take hold of it, work together, and get the Transformers movie you deserve!

Posted: **Tue May 22, 2012 11:48 am**

Beasterly wrote:Well I'm sorry a lot of you are sarcastically skeptical of what the idea behind the petition is. Although we can say we "enjoyed" the films, they are still not as well sculpted and thought out as they should of been. It was nice that third movie grew a pair and had humans killed in it, and the first movie was alright, but you can't ignore that you're just letting yourself be duped again. Think of what happen to Dragon Ball when they made it a live action film (Dragon Ball Evolution), or how about Avatar The Last Airbender. Don't get me started on the 1998 Godzilla film. Sure it was a good "action" film but not a good Godzilla film. Hence why Toho created Godzilla 2000 the next year, and had "Zilla" killed off in Godzilla Final Wars. When people become complacent with how things are spoon fed to them you get things like this:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Michael- ... 30137.html

Yes, Michael Bay continues to tamper with some of the best 80's cartoon series that ever were. I also think a lot of you fail to realize that without demand, there is no driving force for a product to continue. So if you're contempt with being bent over and spoon fed another movie, more than likely up your ass, then by all means don't sign the petition. I mean its not like petitions to bring back Toonami worked.... oh wait a minute

Yeah, sure, speaking up about something doesn't help. Realize I'm not even a child of the 80's, I'm actually trying to help all of you older folk out there with understanding you deserve better! I mean thank god that the Avengers movie was kick ass to fill in some major gaps, but you can't let yourself get cheated again. Don't be the idiot that lets the hot chick think you're going to get laid, but instead humiliates you in front of everyone. You all have voices, and entertainment driven companies are dependent on what you have to say, but only when "all are one"!

You all have the touch, you all have the power to make change. Take hold of it, work together, and get the Transformers movie you deserve!

I have not worked for a Transformers movie. I take what I get and like it for what it is, not for what you think it should be. Thanks.

Posted: **Tue May 22, 2012 12:23 pm**

2005 Transformers was suffering a 'bit of a slump' popularity wise. i looked at the unicron trilogy as a bit of a joke

2012 Its going from strength to strength, we have games, generations and everything to do with Prime

If the revenue and attention thats coming our way is in ANY way down to 3 moderately **** films then let them do it. I dont give a damn about the movies, i dont care what they do with the continuity because we have enough continuities now that i can just ignore it, and im sorry but a fan petition to bring back toonami is not the same as stopping the making of a multimillion dollar blockbuster that is making some very powerful people '**** rich' (not just rich, **** rich)

i respect the attempt, its utterly futile. they will stick with the guys that print money, not the guys that do cerebral storytelling, you would be better off campaigning for a decent writer. and since the guy is already writing the next one, again, petition fails

Posted: **Tue May 22, 2012 2:54 pm**

Beasterly wrote:Well I'm sorry a lot of you are sarcastically skeptical of what the idea behind the petition is. Although we can say we "enjoyed" the films, they are still not as well sculpted and thought out as they should of been. It was nice that third movie grew a pair and had humans killed in it, and the first movie was alright, but you can't ignore that you're just letting yourself be duped again.

Actually, none of us were duped. We enjoyed the films. Telling us we were somehow "fooled" into enjoying them makes you look like an idiot, hate to say.

Think of what happen to Dragon Ball when they made it a live action film (Dragon Ball Evolution), or how about Avatar The Last Airbender. Don't get me started on the 1998 Godzilla film. Sure it was a good "action" film but not a good Godzilla film. Hence why Toho created Godzilla 2000 the next year, and had "Zilla" killed off in Godzilla Final Wars. When people become complacent with how things are spoon fed to them you get things like this:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Michael- ... 30137.html

Lets point out the flaws in your argument here:

1. Dragonball Evolution lead to nothing stateside. The creation of Dragonball Kai was in the works long before that.

2. An Avatar sequel series (Legend of Korra) was also in the works, but the movie was scheduled first.

3. The making of new Godzilla films past "Godzilla In Name Only" had nothing to do with fan input, but rather the Toho wresting control of the franchise back from Tristar Films because they were pissed at how the film turned out. It took them two Godzilla films after that to make one that didn't suck.

4. The original creator of the Ninja Turtles has expressed interest in the new movie's interpretation. Hate to break it to you.

Yes, Michael Bay continues to tamper with some of the best 80's cartoon series that ever were. I also think a lot of you fail to realize that without demand, there is no driving force for a product to continue. So if you're contempt with being bent over and spoon fed another movie, more than likely up your ass, then by all means don't sign the petition.

My my aren't you getting a little miffed. Here's the problem with this statement. There is a demand for more films. Public opinion of the films ranks higher than critical opinion. Even the "worst of the three" has a high viewer approval score on Rotten Tomatoes. This is what people want. Stop dictating that you're somehow the "voice of the people," because you're not. You're merely screaming about not getting what you want. You're also being very rude about it.

It's also hard for him to screw with a series that has a different continuity in every incarnation, even the ones that are supposed to share continuity. :roll:

I mean its not like petitions to bring back Toonami worked.... oh wait a minute

A time block of cartoons with a certain host and a certain name are different than a multi-million dollar per film blockbuster series that rakes in at least a billion dollars per film for massive profits.

Yeah, sure, speaking up about something doesn't help. Realize I'm not even a child of the 80's, I'm actually trying to help all of you older folk out there with understanding you deserve better! I mean thank god that the Avengers movie was kick ass to fill in some major gaps, but you can't let yourself get cheated again. Don't be the idiot that lets the hot chick think you're going to get laid, but instead humiliates you in front of everyone. You all have voices, and entertainment driven companies are dependent on what you have to say, but only when "all are one"!

You all have the touch, you all have the power to make change. Take hold of it, work together, and get the Transformers movie you deserve!

There we go again with you shoving your viewpoints, opinions, and desires down our throats in an attempt to turn us over to your side or convince us we don't want another film while making those who want another film look like strawmen. Let me make this clear:

You do not speak for everyone. You are not some crusader on a quest to liberate us from anything. Just because YOU were not happy with the films does not mean WE weren't, or that we somehow have buyer's remorse.

With all that said, just stop trying to convince people to sign it. If they want to, they will. If not, so be it. Getting on a soap box will not make things better, it'll just make us annoyed with you.

Posted: **Tue May 22, 2012 6:07 pm**

You have to see by mothers people's opnions.Just because you didnt like doesn't mean other people didn't.And if you don't like the movies you can watch other Transfomers cartoons.
A petition would be too much extreme,its not like the movies are hurting you or something like that.

Don't get me started on the 1998 Godzilla film. Sure it was a good "action" film but not a good Godzilla film. Hence why Toho created Godzilla 2000 the next year, and had "Zilla" killed off in Godzilla Final Wars.

I suppose you never watched this series.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Michael-Bay-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Gets-Title-30137.html

Yes, Michael Bay continues to tamper with some of the best 80's cartoon series that ever were

Michael Bay is not the only one working on that film,he is not the writer or the director and the ninja turtle creator aproved.

I think Capt.Failure mostly nailed it.Try thinking of others people's opinions. :PEACE:

Posted: **Tue May 22, 2012 8:03 pm**

Capt.Failure wrote:
Skyfire77 wrote:What everyone else said.
Now, Battleship getting sunk (Worse opening weekend than John Carter, ouch!) by The Avengers this past weekend? That might slow down plans for TF4/TF-Reboot. Maybe.

Considering that Battleship was only made so Universal could hold onto the license*, I doubt it. Paramount and Hasbro know they have a good thing going with the Transformers films. No amount of critical scorn can stop the series from succeeding. Battleship was just a throwaway effort by Universal and Hasbro got involved because it was their game.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I know TF is a license to print money, and there's no way they'll give it up, it's just that there's a ton of money (200+ million) tied up in Battleship, and not making that back (at least right away) has got to hurt Universal. Projects in the pipe might find their budgets cut as a result. Barb Wire crashing and burning pretty much took the MST3K movie with it, after all.

*Note: Studios have done this before. The horrendous Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie, for example, was made so the license to the characters could be held onto. Usually a license to make a film is lost if you don't make one after a certain amount of time. Universal probably considered making a film and getting at least some money out of it better than just dropping money on the license again if it stagnated. The Transformers film series and it's success probably contributed to the plan too.

Yeah, but Corman's F4 was made on a shoestring budget, and wasn't actually released.

Posted: **Tue May 22, 2012 8:11 pm**

Skyfire77 wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
Skyfire77 wrote:What everyone else said.
Now, Battleship getting sunk (Worse opening weekend than John Carter, ouch!) by The Avengers this past weekend? That might slow down plans for TF4/TF-Reboot. Maybe.

Considering that Battleship was only made so Universal could hold onto the license*, I doubt it. Paramount and Hasbro know they have a good thing going with the Transformers films. No amount of critical scorn can stop the series from succeeding. Battleship was just a throwaway effort by Universal and Hasbro got involved because it was their game.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I know TF is a license to print money, and there's no way they'll give it up, it's just that there's a ton of money (200+ million) tied up in Battleship, and not making that back (at least right away) has got to hurt Universal. Projects in the pipe might find their budgets cut as a result. Barb Wire crashing and burning pretty much took the MST3K movie with it, after all.

*Note: Studios have done this before. The horrendous Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie, for example, was made so the license to the characters could be held onto. Usually a license to make a film is lost if you don't make one after a certain amount of time. Universal probably considered making a film and getting at least some money out of it better than just dropping money on the license again if it stagnated. The Transformers film series and it's success probably contributed to the plan too.

Yeah, but Corman's F4 was made on a shoestring budget, and wasn't actually released.

It would be a rational fear, however Universal dropped the bomb that was Battleship. Paramount, a completely different producer, funnels money to Hasbro for Transformers. I doubt Paramount is worried about Universal's mistakes. After all we still got The Avengers after Spiderman 3, Daredevil, Electra, and a few other Marvel comic films flopped from different producers. Hell, even the Hulk (the good one) was a failure and we still got The Avengers.

Posted: **Wed May 23, 2012 6:46 am**

Capt.Failure wrote:It would be a rational fear, however Universal dropped the bomb that was Battleship. Paramount, a completely different producer, funnels money to Hasbro for Transformers.

Oh,

Posted: **Wed May 23, 2012 3:23 pm**

Skyfire77 wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:It would be a rational fear, however Universal dropped the bomb that was Battleship. Paramount, a completely different producer, funnels money to Hasbro for Transformers.

Oh,

It's cool bro.

Posted: **Thu May 24, 2012 1:53 pm**

Yeah...

Posted: **Thu May 24, 2012 2:30 pm**

lol ... awesome response to realising not everyone shares your opinion. Have fun!

Posted: **Thu May 24, 2012 2:31 pm**

Beasterly wrote:Yeah...

So often the word ´irony´ is misused. This is a clear-cut example of correct useage.

Posted: **Thu May 24, 2012 4:22 pm**

Beasterly wrote:Yeah...

I hate to devolve to this level of internet jargon, however...

u mad? :DANCE:

Posted: **Thu May 24, 2012 4:32 pm**

Beasterly wrote:Yeah...

You're going to be a troublemaker, aren't you? =\

Posted: **Mon May 28, 2012 11:22 am**

I really don't want a fourth movie but I don't care if it's made or not. It makes no difference to me really.

Posted: **Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:41 pm**

As fans of the original G1, yes I would of liked for the transformers to of been more G1 in looks but oh well. I understand you couldnt of made them exactly G1 anyways or else they'd look corny as hell on the big screen. I wish the decepticons were actually decepticons and not wussies but what are you gonna do?

I hated the unicron trilogy. it was so kid i fied that it stunk, but you know what, its BETTER than no transformers at all.

Just like with the reboot of Star Trek, to score big at the box office you have to aim for new audiences... as the original fandom isnt going to reel in the profits these companies want.

Just be happy there is a 4th movie! One day the popularity might just give these studio's the confidence in a more G1 feel of a reboot. Just be thankful Transformers is this popular!!!!!!!!!!! By the way the movies were great! I much prefer WFC/FOC/Prime continuity but the movies were very entertaining.

Posted: **Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:59 am**

Man I for one am bummed that Michael Bay is making TF4. I rewatched DOTM last night (after having not watched it for quite some time) and I must say it really isn't that great. I like many others have been blinded by some of the robot action (all 5 mins of it) and have excused the rest of it. After watching DOTM again I can say without a doubt that it is just awful. Why even include Shockwave? Why is Optimus a cold-blooded killer? Why is Megatron sitting in an alleyway watching the action? Too many whys and lapses in logic and just good story-telling altogether. I can only imagine what kind of crude humor and vulgarity Bay will infuse this time and in a kid's movie no less. I know some will say these movies were made for long time TF fans that are in their 20s-30s but let's face it, they are for kids. Just like all Transformers have ever been except maybe the MP line. The point is that after watching DOTM I realized why I don't like the first two films and now the third one as well. It's not just that they malinger on the humans etc. etc. TF Prime has proven that human characters work when they're A. not the center of attention ALL the time and B. when they're interesting. As far the action is concerned, it looks neat but I can't help but feel just how hollow it all is when watching it now. No action scene in the entire film carries any weight because we don't care about anyone and the Transformers were never allowed to grow as characters. Nothing ever pays off. And yes, after not watching it for a while and watching TF Prime and G1 in between I have come to realize just how heartless Optimus comes across at the end when he kills Sentinel Prime. Sentinel Prime even begins pleading for his life and Optimus executes him just like Barricade and Soundwave executed Que earlier on (odd parallel that is really unsettling). And this is coming from a guy who like others out there tried to justify his actions when we first saw the movie. Once he kills Sentinel I was done. I will not be rewatching it ever again. The sad part about all of this is with the amount of money these films make they will not be changing course anytime soon I fear. We will continue to get vulgar movies starring scantily clad models that just so happen to involve giant fighting robots from space until they stop making money. And even worse still is the fact parents are willfully and happily taking their young children to these films. It disgusts me to no end. If they want my money they're going to have to reboot...plain and simple. I just hope others won't gloss over the awful Bay films and give them a free pass because they feature a few Transformers for a few minutes. No thank you. I'll stick with WFC games and TF Prime for now.

Posted: **Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:03 am**

dinojack86 wrote:Man I for one am bummed that Michael Bay is making TF4. I rewatched DOTM last night (after having not watched it for quite some time) and I must say it really isn't that great. I like many others have been blinded by some of the robot action (all 5 mins of it) and have excused the rest of it. After watching DOTM again I can say without a doubt that it is just awful. Why even include Shockwave? Why is Optimus a cold-blooded killer? Why is Megatron sitting in an alleyway watching the action? Too many whys and lapses in logic and just good story-telling altogether.

For fan service. Because he's a badass. Because he can.

Common damn sense would have given you the ability to answer those questions.

Posted: **Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:15 am**

It's not a question of common sense. If I or any of the rest of us had any we wouldn't have gone to see the 2nd film based on the idiocy of the 1st one. Don't know if you're trying to be funny or not but I took your comment aimed at me as condescending and uncalled for. Based on your comment I'm pretty sure you won't care what I have to say but if I offended I apologize. I will surely keep you in prayer and hope you learn how to talk like an adult.

God bless

Posted: **Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:28 am**

dinojack86 wrote:It's not a question of common sense. If I or any of the rest of us had any we wouldn't have gone to see the 2nd film based on the idiocy of the 1st one. Don't know if you're trying to be funny or not but I took your comment aimed at me as condescending and uncalled for. Based on your comment I'm pretty sure you won't care what I have to say but if I offended I apologize. I will surely keep you in prayer and hope you learn how to talk like an adult.

God bless

Well, none of those where even really questions the movie had to answer. You could understand the entire movie without knowing the answer to those questions. As for Megatron sitting in the alley, in the book, Sentinel throws him off of the building. And apparently the editors cut a lot of scenes out of the movie. The twin's absence, when they can be seen in the back ground of one shot is evidence of this.

Posted: **Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:30 pm**

dinojack86 wrote:It's not a question of common sense. If I or any of the rest of us had any we wouldn't have gone to see the 2nd film based on the idiocy of the 1st one. Don't know if you're trying to be funny or not but I took your comment aimed at me as condescending and uncalled for. Based on your comment I'm pretty sure you won't care what I have to say but if I offended I apologize. I will surely keep you in prayer and hope you learn how to talk like an adult.

God bless

Well "common sence" might have been alittle harsh for sly to use, but in a seince alot of the questions you had were in fact answered in the movie. others are just from putting two and two toegther. For example,..

What was the purpose of Shockwave being in it?

To throw people off the sent of Sentiel Prime being the main vilian. But to be honest, it really wasn't Bay of the production company who did this, but people heard thatShockwave was going to be in it, and asumed that he was going to be the main vilian. I'll admit, his character was wasted as there was so much more potential for him, but with people doing everything they can to find out all the secrets of the movie before hand, i can't blame them for trying to use him to throw everyone off the main plot of the movie.

As far as Optimus behavior is concerned, you have the fandom to directly blame for this. They were the ones that bitched and complained about how weak he was in the first movie. Then he becomes the bad ass he should be and people still want to bitch. Bay really has tried to aplease not only the fans, but everyone (he can't just focus on fan requests other wise the movie would be a total and complete failure.) BUt alas,...As long as Bay's name is attached to the TF franchise, your never going to make them (the fandom) happy. No matter what is done.

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