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skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!

What if you threaten people with Megatron while he is in robot mode?

It is my opinion that the stores that are going to sell the OPENED, MODIFIED MP-05, that they should have a cheaper/discounted price. They are after all opening a collectible, and then forth ruining it with hot glue and orange tips.

As for the toy laws and politics of it all, I couldn't agree more with Skywarp-2.



Liege Evilmus Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject:


Barbarian!

Also, if my kids touch this first I'll wonder where I got kids from, second, they'll learn why to be afraid of guns as I beat them with bricks!



You wouldn't want them to use toy guns, but teach them to use household items, like bricks, as weapons? WHo is the barbarian?

I'm shocked that this is coming from Hobbylink Japan. HLJ was one of the safest and best places to get Transformers...

I think someone should start a thread on what Internet Toy Store is selling "Unmodified MP-05 Megatron"...

i dont understand why toy companies doing that ornage tip stuff all you need is some black paint and there you go orange is pretty much usless if you black paint laying around to paint the tip black.

dragons wrote:i dont understand why toy companies doing that ornage tip stuff all you need is some black paint and there you go orange is pretty much usless if you black paint laying around to paint the tip black.

It's gonna ruin the collectibility. Some people keep these fellows in the boxes.

The one I'm interested is reissue reissue 06 Megatron... and I want him without a cap...

But where to get him without a cap?

Skids

skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!

I had to say something when I saw this one...

You see, it was this very situation, a 10 year old being shot, by a cop, over a realistic plastic M-16 type rifle, that led to the entire "orange cap" law.

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year olds with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot...

Remember, this is America, land of the fee and home of the lawsuit. Any lawyer can make your actions not your problem if they can place "ultimate" blame someone else and get a ton of money from that other organization. See McDonalds and hot coffee, real-gun lawsuits, tobacco lawsuits, etc. for lots of examples...

Delta Supreme wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitimate list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and I'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year old with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot.

There was also the story that a guy at the Botcon in St. Paul
(I think) a few years ago, who had bought a G1 Megatron and was going back to his hotel and he had they toy in gun mode next to him in the passenger seat.
Then he got pulled over for speeding and when the cop saw a realistic looking gun in the passenger seat he came very close to getting arrested for carrying a consealed weapon. Thankfully he was able to convince the officer it was only a toy by transforming the it into robot mode.

It should also be noted that when I bought the first reissue of the G1 Megatron (not the one in book box the one in the classic G1 Japanese packaging), I learned a very interesting fact that the Japanese versions of Megatron were pellet guns
the ones that were released in the USA back in 84 weren't.

Delta Supreme wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!

I had to say something when I saw this one...

You see, it was this very situation, a 10 year old being shot, by a cop, over a realistic plastic M-16 type rifle, that led to the entire "orange cap" law.

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year olds with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot...

Remember, this is America, land of the fee and home of the lawsuit. Any lawyer can make your actions not your problem if they can place "ultimate" blame someone else and get a ton of money from that other organization. See McDonalds and hot coffee, real-gun lawsuits, tobacco lawsuits, etc. for lots of examples...

Land of the free and home of dumbass uneducated, trigger happy pigs, er cops. You don't see other countries with the problem.

Bet the cop got away acott free too.

These toy laws are stupid. They litigate against the toys because they're "kid things," but if you litigated against the actual guns, everyone would be... well, up in arms. The threat is irrelevant. The law passed because the people who wrote it were entirely unaffected by it. It was just a way to win people over and stay in office.

And it makes more sense if an actual gun had an orange tip. Orange, red, and yellow are natural warning signs.

You know what I have always wondered about the "realistic" toy guns with the orange tip, what if somebody paint the tip of their REAL gun orange? Would they be able to run around the streets with it? I mean if it has an orange tip, wouldn't that make it fake?

Anyways, I have come to the point that if the only way that I can get that Megatron is with an orange tip, than so be it. I plan on keeping him in bot mode anyways, and from the pics I've seen I don't think it should affect it.

So I received this from a friend today who shall remain nameless at their request:

Hi ********,

Not true. We'd prefer not to mess with those if we do not have to, so we will install them only on request.

--
Regards,

*********
********************
HobbyLink Japan
****************@HLJ.com

I hope this clears up some of the confusion that may have been caused. I will update the news to read that this is only a rumor until HLJ makes an offical statement. For the time being though, I would consider it de-bunked.

I find this orange cap issue amusing. So does that mean that if you live in the US and own a real handgun and mod it to have an orange cap, the cops can't shoot you if they see you pulling it out? I think they would treat it as if it were a real gun so I don't see how the orange caps makes any difference.

I've heard tell of a store in the Chicago suburbs that is going to sell the unmodified MP 5. I'll look into it.

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

Delta Supreme wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!

I had to say something when I saw this one...

You see, it was this very situation, a 10 year old being shot, by a cop, over a realistic plastic M-16 type rifle, that led to the entire "orange cap" law.

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year olds with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot...

Remember, this is America, land of the fee and home of the lawsuit. Any lawyer can make your actions not your problem if they can place "ultimate" blame someone else and get a ton of money from that other organization. See McDonalds and hot coffee, real-gun lawsuits, tobacco lawsuits, etc. for lots of examples...

Land of the free and home of dumbass uneducated, trigger happy pigs, er cops. You don't see other countries with the problem.

Bet the cop got away acott free too.

If you brandish a gun at a cop, weather it be a toy or real, you deserve to be shot in the head.

Omega-1 wrote:I find this orange cap issue amusing. So does that mean that if you live in the US and own a real handgun and mod it to have an orange cap, the cops can't shoot you if they see you pulling it out? I think they would treat it as if it were a real gun so I don't see how the orange caps makes any difference.

I'm waiting for the story of the thick cop that gets shot because someone pulls a real gun on him with an orange cap. Perhaps then the US and UK will see how stupid this law is.
Then again in the UK we are getting this law because of rising gun crime not for if the police shoot the wrong guy for holding a toy. We do that anyway even if your holding an umbrella.

Omega-1 wrote:I find this orange cap issue amusing. So does that mean that if you live in the US and own a real handgun and mod it to have an orange cap, the cops can't shoot you if they see you pulling it out? I think they would treat it as if it were a real gun so I don't see how the orange caps makes any difference.

I had a good laugh at that. Interesting question though.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

Delta Supreme wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!

I had to say something when I saw this one...

You see, it was this very situation, a 10 year old being shot, by a cop, over a realistic plastic M-16 type rifle, that led to the entire "orange cap" law.

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year olds with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot...

Remember, this is America, land of the fee and home of the lawsuit. Any lawyer can make your actions not your problem if they can place "ultimate" blame someone else and get a ton of money from that other organization. See McDonalds and hot coffee, real-gun lawsuits, tobacco lawsuits, etc. for lots of examples...

Land of the free and home of dumbass uneducated, trigger happy pigs, er cops. You don't see other countries with the problem.

Bet the cop got away acott free too.

If you brandish a gun at a cop, weather it be a toy or real, you deserve to be shot in the head.

first cop who shot that kid with the toy gun way back when derseves a slug in his own head.

Same thing for the guy with the rake they shot

Guys I'm sorry to confirm this awful fact, but I just received work from HLJ today that they will indeed be modifying the figure. I've removed the customer service rep's name for his own...safety....

Hi,

HobbyLink Japan's policy on the TKT76016 MP-05 Masterpiece Megatron is
as follows:

For customers in the United States ONLY, HobbyLink Japan will be placing
a plastic orange cap over the end of the barrel in order to keep this
toy in compliance with Title 15, Chapter 76 of the United States Code.

See:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin ... +15USC5001

Installing this cap on the item will require our staff to open the
packaging, which will break any tape sealing the box flaps. This will be
performed with the utmost care, but of course it will prevent us from
delivering this product to US customers in "unopened" condition. Note
that without this modification, your purchase could be confiscated by
the US Customs Service and/or you could be charged with a crime under
the above US Federal Law.

HobbyLink Japan understands and appreciates the desires of US-based toy
collectors related to merchandise of this nature, and we feel this is
the best solution to meet those needs under the circumstances. In order
to maintain your item's compliance with US laws, we recommend that you
not snap off the plastic cap after you have received the item.

-------
--*insert name here*--
Products
HobbyLink Japan (http://www.hlj.com)

To quote Metallica, "you know it's sad but true"

HobbyLink Japan understands and appreciates the desires of US-based toy
collectors related to merchandise of this nature, and we feel this is
the best solution to meet those needs under the circumstances. In order
to maintain your item's compliance with US laws, we recommend that you
not snap off the plastic cap after you have received the item.

Not snap off the cap......what DREAM WORLD is that guy living in.

I can feel Hobbylink is not going to make much sales with Megatron.

FracturedKoi wrote: I just received work from HLJ today

So do you work for HLJ

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

Delta Supreme wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!

I had to say something when I saw this one...

You see, it was this very situation, a 10 year old being shot, by a cop, over a realistic plastic M-16 type rifle, that led to the entire "orange cap" law.

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year olds with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot...

Remember, this is America, land of the fee and home of the lawsuit. Any lawyer can make your actions not your problem if they can place "ultimate" blame someone else and get a ton of money from that other organization. See McDonalds and hot coffee, real-gun lawsuits, tobacco lawsuits, etc. for lots of examples...

Land of the free and home of dumbass uneducated, trigger happy pigs, er cops. You don't see other countries with the problem.

Bet the cop got away acott free too.

Yeah, it's the cops fault. Sorry, but what should a cop do if a gun is pointed at him? Remember, these look like real guns.
I don't think adult collectables like this should have to be altered, but don't blame the cops.

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

Delta Supreme wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:Once we have a legitiment list of stores that will be shipping unmodified Megatron MP-05s please post it, so i can cancel my order to HLJ and order from another source, i'm sick to my stomach now, and i'm very disappointed in the toy laws and HLJ for conforming to our countries outlandish law..parents lock your kids up at night, and cops make sure that 10 year old has a real gun before you draw your side arm!!

I had to say something when I saw this one...

You see, it was this very situation, a 10 year old being shot, by a cop, over a realistic plastic M-16 type rifle, that led to the entire "orange cap" law.

When it comes to a threatening situation, the cop is trained to protect the lives of himself and all others before anything else. Said child did not comply with the cop's requests, and earned a bullet for it. After he was subdued, investigations quickly noticed that the M-16 was plastic, and the whole situation was deemed a "tragedy". One requiring a law to protect other obstinate 10 year olds with toy guns playing cops/robbers, paramilitary, etc.
Of course, I don't remember really even seeing a handful of plastic rifles in any store for years after this happened, because parents were afraid to buy their stubborn boys a toy gun, fearing they would "modify" it back to something that will get them shot...

Remember, this is America, land of the fee and home of the lawsuit. Any lawyer can make your actions not your problem if they can place "ultimate" blame someone else and get a ton of money from that other organization. See McDonalds and hot coffee, real-gun lawsuits, tobacco lawsuits, etc. for lots of examples...

Land of the free and home of dumbass uneducated, trigger happy pigs, er cops. You don't see other countries with the problem.

Bet the cop got away acott free too.

If you brandish a gun at a cop, weather it be a toy or real, you deserve to be shot in the head.

first cop who shot that kid with the toy gun way back when derseves a slug in his own head.

Same thing for the guy with the rake they shot

Sorry, but you're damned wrong. Kid threatened a cop, he got what he deserved.

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

In order to maintain your item's compliance with US laws, we recommend that you not snap off the plastic cap after you have received the item.

Not snap off the cap......what DREAM WORLD is that guy living in.

Heh... to me, that sounds an awful lot like: "Because your US toy laws require the modification, we heartily recommend that you do not snap off the orange cap. We particularly do not recommend that you take advantage of the fact that the cap has not been glued onto the toy. For your own peace of mind, we cannot endorse taking off the easily-removable cap by opening the clip located just here."


On another note...

Ironhidensh wrote:If you brandish a gun at a cop, weather it be a toy or real, you deserve to be shot in the head.

...

Words fail me.