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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:52 pm

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Also a subtle reminder of Megan Fox, or Bay's poking fun at her, however you want to look at it, at one point after her kidnapping, Carly was dressed in relatively the same clothes as Megan was in the desert in RotF. White coat, white pants, peach colored top.
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Marcdachamp » Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:02 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:Also a subtle reminder of Megan Fox, or Bay's poking fun at her, however you want to look at it, at one point after her kidnapping, Carly was dressed in relatively the same clothes as Megan was in the desert in RotF. White coat, white pants, peach colored top.


That sounds really, really coincidental.
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:58 pm

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Marcdachamp wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Also a subtle reminder of Megan Fox, or Bay's poking fun at her, however you want to look at it, at one point after her kidnapping, Carly was dressed in relatively the same clothes as Megan was in the desert in RotF. White coat, white pants, peach colored top.


That sounds really, really coincidental.


That's what Bay would want you to think. :twisted:
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Blackstreak » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:41 pm

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I honestly can't understand why all the Autobots were trussed up all of a sudden as prisoners. I would have wanted to see them get beaten into submission then ceremoniously executed. I didn't want to be dropped into the middle of it not knowing how it happened. That is the only scene in the movie that didn't seem to truly fit w/out some scenes being omitted.
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Dinoswipe » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:08 am

in casde you didnt see, the autobots were surrounded by decepticons on the ground and in the air
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Red 50 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:24 pm

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ROARBO wrote:in case you didn't see, the autobots were surrounded by decepticons on the ground and in the air


Yeah, dozens of Decepticon ships still in the air and dozens of Decepticons led by Soundwave and Dylan on the ground, having them in gunpoint. If one had drawn a weapon they'd all been slagged in a few seconds.

Although they(filmmakers) could have done it so that at least somebody(most presumably Bumblebee) would have objected to Que's execution, only to have Soundwave say: "You're next!"

And then, before killing Soundwave, Bumblebee would have said: "Correction, YOU'RE next!"
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Dinoswipe » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:33 pm

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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Chaoslock » Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:35 pm

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They didn't surrender, Ratchet even fought back, but they were herded in one place.

That's a good question that WHY Decepticons are taking prisoners when no autobot ever had mercy in the movieverse for a Decepticon. Shattered Grass anyone?
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby ARJ08 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:43 pm

What's even worse about this scene is the fact that there's something I don't know if any of you realized...

After BumbleBee saves Shia and Fergie's boy where they were both on the hood of his car when starcream explodes, the next scene that BB has is him just driving off then the next one is him being captured?

This sequence of events had some horrible editing...they should have shown/explained how they got captured...

This crap bugged me the most about the movie...
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Screamfleet » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:56 pm

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Chaoslock wrote:They didn't surrender, Ratchet even fought back, but they were herded in one place.

That's a good question that WHY Decepticons are taking prisoners when no autobot ever had mercy in the movieverse for a Decepticon. Shattered Grass anyone?


Indeed, optimus is executing transformers left and right, while the decepticons take prisoners
Decepticons actually hardly ever got any kills against autobots, for the most part, it coudl argued to be self defense.
Where was decepticons are killed while fleeing for their lives, or are completely incapacitated already and then, I guess we're suppose to see it as a coup de grace that is performed on them.

The autobots certainly seem more murderous than the decepticons.
Shattered glass doesn't seem too far off.
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Bonecrusher27 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:58 pm

Blackstreak wrote:I honestly can't understand why all the Autobots were trussed up all of a sudden as prisoners. I would have wanted to see them get beaten into submission then ceremoniously executed. I didn't want to be dropped into the middle of it not knowing how it happened. That is the only scene in the movie that didn't seem to truly fit w/out some scenes being omitted.


It really does bug me. Still, even if we had seen the scenes leading up to it, I'm still not comfortable with the fact that they did nothing at all. Trussed up like sheep, but they weren't even trussed. You'd think they could have come up with some kind of distraction. The idea they would all have been executed one after another, if Prime hadn't showed up, still chafes badly.

In fact, I find it out of character that the Decepticons would take prisoners, and it'd take a loser human to tell them to execute them. Damn I hate that spineless bastard.
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:17 pm

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Chaoslock wrote:They didn't surrender, Ratchet even fought back, but they were herded in one place.

That's a good question that WHY Decepticons are taking prisoners when no autobot ever had mercy in the movieverse for a Decepticon. Shattered Grass anyone?


Did any Decepticons make any motions of surrendering besides maybe Megatron at the end of DOTM, though? I can't recall any.
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Iamwarhorse » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:01 pm

This was just a poor scene, and another in the long list of why this movie just plain sucked if you wanted to go deeper than just visuals.

I also hate it how the Autobots got easily caught, but not any of the NEST, Navy seals or Epps team. Come on, I am sick of these movies showing the Autobots to be incompetent against the Decepticons. The Optimus getting hung up in the wires was BS!

And how come no major good humans died? I thought we were supposed to get this ultra dark story?
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Screamfleet » Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:16 am

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Optimus getting stuck in wires didn't bother me at first. Till it took like 30 minutes and 3 additional autobots to get him done.
Like, in that whole slew of weapons, optimus doesn't have something that can cut through cables? He can rip apart decepticons faces, but if he gets tangled up, he's out of commission.
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Bonecrusher27 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:16 am

Screamfleet wrote:Optimus getting stuck in wires didn't bother me at first. Till it took like 30 minutes and 3 additional autobots to get him done.
Like, in that whole slew of weapons, optimus doesn't have something that can cut through cables? He can rip apart decepticons faces, but if he gets tangled up, he's out of commission.


It was ridiculous! Watching it for a third time chafed like the first. You are absolutely right, couldn't he have extricated himself? It almost makes me suspect it was an attempt at humour, but given the gravity of the situation I hardly think it would be. Why the devil would they do an image buster like that?
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Pontimax 01 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:29 pm

Bonecrusher27 wrote:
Screamfleet wrote:Optimus getting stuck in wires didn't bother me at first. Till it took like 30 minutes and 3 additional autobots to get him done.
Like, in that whole slew of weapons, optimus doesn't have something that can cut through cables? He can rip apart decepticons faces, but if he gets tangled up, he's out of commission.


It was ridiculous! Watching it for a third time chafed like the first. You are absolutely right, couldn't he have extricated himself? It almost makes me suspect it was an attempt at humour, but given the gravity of the situation I hardly think it would be. Why the devil would they do an image buster like that?



It felt like me that is was the only way they could come up with segwaying to the other robots. Like they gave Prime so much screen time that they decided they needed him tangled up to buy time. They didn't want to hurt him, just get him off screen for a few minutes with a (feeble) plausible explanation of where he was and what he was doing. Answer: Just hangin' around.
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby shamone » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:13 pm

Marcdachamp wrote:
shamone wrote:she says this one is better

its an unnecessary comment

but we hear what we want


It has nothing to do with "hearing what we want." No one's mother is going to say "You know, your current girlfriend is great, but I'd probably rank her right with your last one. You know, the one who dumped you."

Like it or not, Megan Fox's character could have been written out as a bad person, or killed off, but they instead had Sam date a different girl and basically just said "hey, things didn't work out."


it was a thouroughly unnecessary scene and a douche move by bay
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

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Screamfleet wrote:Optimus getting stuck in wires didn't bother me at first. Till it took like 30 minutes and 3 additional autobots to get him done.
Like, in that whole slew of weapons, optimus doesn't have something that can cut through cables? He can rip apart decepticons faces, but if he gets tangled up, he's out of commission.


It was ridiculous! Watching it for a third time chafed like the first. You are absolutely right, couldn't he have extricated himself? It almost makes me suspect it was an attempt at humour, but given the gravity of the situation I hardly think it would be. Why the devil would they do an image buster like that?



That scene was mearly to give the wreckers some more screen time and to attempt to justify why Optimus wasn't present to rescue the Autobots during their capture. I agree that concidering that we all know he has a sword built into his arm he really should have been able to rescue himself. Unless his wing suit somehow blocked his sword from poping out... Doubt it though.
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Bleak5170 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:27 am

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Blackstreak wrote:I honestly can't understand why all the Autobots were trussed up all of a sudden as prisoners. I would have wanted to see them get beaten into submission then ceremoniously executed. I didn't want to be dropped into the middle of it not knowing how it happened. That is the only scene in the movie that didn't seem to truly fit w/out some scenes being omitted.



Exactly! That scene just popped up out of nowhere. One minute Bumblebee is rescuing Sam and Lennox, and the next thing you know he's about to be executed with the others. I really would have liked at least some sort of build up to that scene. There definitely seemed to be a few "missing scenes" in this movie.

Oh and how the heck did this get turned into yet another Megan Fox topic?
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Bonecrusher27 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:50 am

Bleak5170 wrote: Oh and how the heck did this get turned into yet another Megan Fox topic?


:lol: Total non sequitur! I kept scouring my original post to see if there was anything in there that might have triggered it but... :lol:
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Dinoswipe » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:27 am

this is about the surrender scene
not about Megan Fox. shes gone. she wasnt the best. anyways. bay just dressed her up for eye candy. just like Rosie. Rosie was a better actor though.
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Marcdachamp » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:02 pm

shamone wrote:it was a thouroughly unnecessary scene and a douche move by bay


There is nothing douchey about it. They used TWO lines to write the character out. They didn't harp on it, they didn't dwell on it, and not once did they use a swear about her. One TF called her mean after she tried to light his friend's eye on fire.

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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

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Marcdachamp wrote:
shamone wrote:it was a thouroughly unnecessary scene and a douche move by bay


There is nothing douchey about it. They used TWO lines to write the character out. They didn't harp on it, they didn't dwell on it, and not once did they use a swear about her. One TF called her mean after she tried to light his friend's eye on fire.

I don't care if you hated the film. Go ahead and hate it! But don't try saying that there are things there that aren't.


Agreed. It was a nessasary scene as it explained why Sam wasn't with Micheala. There was nothing disresepctfull about it. It lasted a mear 10 seconds in one scene, and 5 (if that) in another. NO harm, no foul.
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby crossblades » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:37 am

it did strike me as weird that from 30 seconds before BB saved sam, to then be under armed guard about to be executed.....

also it stated 4 bots were captued, but the scene had BB, ratchet, Q, silverstreak and dino...

I think that could be part fo the film that had been cut, who knows maybe we find out in the DVD version what was ment to have happened....
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Re: Stupid Surrender Scene

Postby Red 50 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:18 pm

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crossblades wrote:it did strike me as weird that from 30 seconds before BB saved sam, to then be under armed guard about to be executed.....

also it stated 4 bots were captued, but the scene had BB, ratchet, Q, silverstreak and dino...

I think that could be part fo the film that had been cut, who knows maybe we find out in the DVD version what was ment to have happened....


1. It's possible that he had stormed off directly into an ambush and was caught off guard, surrounded, so he had no choice but to do what they said.

2. Silverstreak? Don't you mean Sideswipe?
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