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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby KNM2012 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:33 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Atop of this meaning that they may have fixed the previous mold's issues, this may mean that they turned the 1:32 mold into a 1:24 mold.


Nope, upscaling molds has never been done except for KO's. In the 28 years Transformers has been in business, there were only two debatable cases of upsizing, emphasis on debatable:

1) SL Galvatron (Ultra) vs. Energon Megatron (Leader)
2) GF Starscream (Voyager) vs. Cybertron Starscream (Supreme)

Upsizing requires the creation of a whole new mold set, which is costly to do. Retooling current molds is more cost-effective.

And fixing design flaws? Done, but cosmetic changes for new releases seem to take priority.


All is true, Jelze, but during those 28 years... TOMY bought out and merged with Takara. Plus, atop of that, this is the very first time in their 28 year history have they collaborated with Super GT. Hence why I said time and time again, size matters not... As I am hoping to get my "GT" Star Saber. What I am dismissing is the fact that they are paying Super GT for these rights, while looking at how they might handle the product.

Because again, this is TOMY x Super GT... Not TOMY making people pay more because they licensed rights to Super GT. And much like Disney before them, we need to look at how TOMY did business in the past, not how Takara handled their Transformers line in the past. ;)
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby VioMeTriX » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:46 pm

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tomy and takara have been merged for many years now... takara makes a successful toy line and tomy is smart enough to not mess with a formula that works... they didnt buy takara to change everything, they bought takara as an already successful company.... now they are successful with more financial backing. im begining to think you are about 13 yrs old. now watch youll say im attacking you again (mods better get a handle on me, im out of control..lmao)
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby Burn » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:53 pm

Hey kids! Guess what! You're not playing nice!

Now I get to not play nice.

Except i'm on lunch, so you know ... stop it and play nicely, because I will be back, and if I see any more crap from this point on, the warnings get dished out.
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby VioMeTriX » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:54 pm

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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby KNM2012 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:24 pm

VioMeTriX wrote:tomy and takara have been merged for many years now... takara makes a successful toy line and tomy is smart enough to not mess with a formula that works... they didnt buy takara to change everything, they bought takara as an already successful company.... now they are successful with more financial backing. im begining to think you are about 13 yrs old. now watch youll say im attacking you again (mods better get a handle on me, im out of control..lmao)


I know that. What I am saying is that after TOMY bought out and merged with their rival, they made numerous changes. For beginners, they brought their partnership with Disney. This resulted in them testing out the Disney Label line, which did not meet much success. They still make the Mickey Mouse line, but nothing more.

Then again, you also dismissed the fact that their previous fiscal year had TOMY announce a 9 billion yen loss when it came to sales in Japan. Their fallout also pointed that they need to refocus all directions on current and future products. One of the first steps was delving into girls clothing, and the other is striking deals with corporations that could help them reverse this issue.

And also, speaking of being condescending to those you disagree with, which has two of your attacks be reported... I should remind you that when you join any forum and/or organizations, you signed a contractual obligation to respect all members and obey any rules that may or will be posted. Take that into consideration since you made two posts that show you attacking somebody... And you mocking the facts despite claiming of stopping. >:oP

Burn wrote:Hey kids! Guess what! You're not playing nice!

Now I get to not play nice.

Except i'm on lunch, so you know ... stop it and play nicely, because I will be back, and if I see any more shit from this point on, the warnings get dished out.


Glad you got the reports I sent, Burn. I apologize if I came off as an excuse for him to continue, much less not playing nice. But in all truth, after you get back from lunch, you might want to talk to him privately about his attitude. Because I did such with another moderator, who promised me that no member would make any attacks when it comes to the fact I have Aspergers. And yes, while I do come off as argumentative here (which I am trying not to be), it should not dismiss his attitude... Much less any attacks he did make. >:oP

Besides, I used to work with a forum moderator who would have banned him on the spot. So he should be thankful that you are not him. Plus, with lunch as a subject, are there any good ramen places in your area?
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby VioMeTriX » Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:59 am

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when this first started and i supposedly attacked you i didnt know you have aspbergers... nor do i care... you brought that out as a defense. and apparenty the mods arent doiing anything... you need to SHUT THE F$%#! UP. you come accross this way to everyone, trust me i got emails and chats from others watching me deal with you.

Mods i want you to read everything between me and this guy... you see like the kid that suppossedly never stole cookies and let his brother take the blame, this guy sets people up instead of taking any responsibility. please do something, you can ban me for all i care, i have other screen names.... but see i am not the problem here, i got caught up by offering an opinion. this guy even quoted you telling us to stop.... do something about it!!!!
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:24 am

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Atop of this meaning that they may have fixed the previous mold's issues, this may mean that they turned the 1:32 mold into a 1:24 mold.


Nope, upscaling molds has never been done except for KO's. In the 28 years Transformers has been in business, there were only two debatable cases of upsizing, emphasis on debatable:

1) SL Galvatron (Ultra) vs. Energon Megatron (Leader)
2) GF Starscream (Voyager) vs. Cybertron Starscream (Supreme)

Upsizing requires the creation of a whole new mold set, which is costly to do. Retooling current molds is more cost-effective.

And fixing design flaws? Done, but cosmetic changes for new releases seem to take priority.


All is true, Jelze, but during those 28 years... TOMY bought out and merged with Takara. Plus, atop of that, this is the very first time in their 28 year history have they collaborated with Super GT. Hence why I said time and time again, size matters not... As I am hoping to get my "GT" Star Saber. What I am dismissing is the fact that they are paying Super GT for these rights, while looking at how they might handle the product.


GT isn't doing anything, other than provide the licenses. TakaraTomy has to pay licensing fees for the sponsor names, for the sake of authenticity. It's been like that ever since G1 started, with Wheeljack and Mirage being prime examples of actually avoiding them by changing the names slightly.

Because again, this is TOMY x Super GT... Not TOMY making people pay more because they licensed rights to Super GT. And much like Disney before them, we need to look at how TOMY did business in the past, not how Takara handled their Transformers line in the past. ;)


That's comparing apples and oranges :lol: Ok, let's do it your way and give me an example of a toy that was officially upscaled. Of any company.

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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby VioMeTriX » Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:30 am

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boy oh boy when this nut gets his figure and it is still 1:32 scale, it just hopefully might push him to believe what we say.... everyone is telling him how wrong he is yet he still argues his point to everyone, is that the aspbergers talking or are you just that arrogant?!?!?!
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby Burn » Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:21 pm

To hell with this, warning time.
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby KNM2012 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:37 pm

Jelze, two factors:

1) I stated that I do not care about the scale. I stated that numerous times, as I collect what I like. I said it to you and others in hopes of realizing my speculation is tied to the price, not preference. Meaning that I was taking size into a bigger factor than the content. And the only evidence that we see is that a Racing Queen will be added. A 1:32 scale would be justifiable if the Racing Queen figure is bigger than 1:32 or 1:24. Even more, if you asked, I was also saying that I can also see other content - Tied to the team and series - add to this line's overall price.

2) I am using Tomy and their collaboration with Disney as a thought. It is why I never cared about the size, as those were also said to be small. But I also took into consideration that Super GT has the final say in terms of size and anything else. Which is why I tossed out tradition, but also did not dismiss it. Because they are great with retooling, which is going to make GT superior to the Alternity line.

But if you want an example... I was told that Robot Masters were slightly smaller than those later seen in the CHUG lines. But I need confirmation on that. And if that is true, then we have proof. But as I said - and had ignored after saying it - The size matters not as long as they have what I want/like. Namely STAR SABER. :D

Just remember that I am discussing price not preference, because my preference is going to have me own one regardless of size and price. ;)
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:31 pm

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:But if you want an example... I was told that Robot Masters were slightly smaller than those later seen in the CHUG lines.


None of the molds used for Robot Masters were used again for Classics. For instance, despite popular belief outside of the fandom, RM Convoy is not the same mold as Classics Deluxe Prime, though they share similar traits. Same goes for the Seekers.

Since you say not to care about scale, better get used to the idea of 1:32, as I don't see any upscaling being done any time soon with any mold. :) Look no further than the sponsors and retoolings, plus the exclusivity and the weak Yen for the price hike.

Just remember that I am discussing price not preference, because my preference is going to have me own one regardless of size and price. ;)


He's too rich my blood, regardless of size. I want my Saber-sama! :sad:
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby KNM2012 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:50 pm

Anyways... Jez, everything I own is MISB/MOSC and will be submitted to AFA. So even if tradition changes or not, they will be sealed away and displayed.

Also, Planet Iacon states that they were told it will be the same size. But I had the trolling issue, and that slowed down any chances of me saying that any sooner. Am I okay with that? I own pieces that say Ultla Magnus and Dai Atras. ;)

Plus also, I found out that the extra price is due to content. Super GT supplied them the teams who want to be added, so their royalties may be a small boost. But my money is more on the additional stuff. :-?
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby El Duque » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:05 am

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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby datguy86 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:31 am

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Neat figures. Part of me hopes the race queens are available separately.
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby hinomars19 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:54 am

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Doubledealer93 wrote:is it bad that i want toys of the girls more than the TFs? because there molds are wayyyyy over used.


I don't think it's bad, in fact I'm happy to see there is someone on this site that isn't defeated by a little plastic girl ;) (I wonder how many of our female fandom have been repulsed by 'MP' Spike? :-? )
Still, quips aside, they are going to be the most unique thing in the box. It is such a shame how spammed the alternity molds have been-but-I do appreciate a lot of the work that's gone into retooling and re-molding for these releases, even Prime has a new (or at least tweaked) head, which shows thay are not being THAT lazy. I wanna know if the visors flip down.
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby datguy86 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:57 am

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Doubledealer93 wrote:is it bad that i want toys of the girls more than the TFs? because there molds are wayyyyy over used.


The molds look solid, but yeah - the Race Queens on their own would definitely be welcome addition to the shelf.

So no, it is not bad. They are adorable.
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby Manterax Prime » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:13 pm

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Doubledealer93 wrote:is it bad that i want toys of the girls more than the TFs? because there molds are wayyyyy over used.


You're not the only one who wants the girls more. I do as well.

Also, after seeing Prime's head in the new pics, I actually like it. Star Saber's head needs some work though. And his weapon, WTF?
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:16 pm

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Doubledealer93 wrote:is it bad that i want toys of the girls more than the TFs? because there molds are wayyyyy over used.


I want those race queen figs too. It lends a sense of scale to the TF's. Plus, the girls are pretty cute.
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby RodimalToyota » Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:23 pm

Is it too much to speculate we might be getting vinyl race queens, I mean they sure are pushing those images, even with just prototype images they still want us to see the girls, maybe part of the price increase will be small vinyl race queens?

why would they go through so much effort for just a small art character?
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:48 pm

And what sucks for me is the fact that I was ready to preorder Star Saber. Now I cannot on account that the only member (of the two; not mentioning the other) I respect not only ignored everything I said, but made it sound like I wanted it to be a certain scale size. All I said is that this is a collaboration piece, which has them be supplied with what they need... And everything else is what their partner wants. I only used the size as a speculation, and now am forced to fight the fact that I now this as a recycled Alternity line - Not Star Saber with a Nissan-based Super GT racing alt-mode. :BANG_HEAD:

Doubledealer93 wrote:is it bad that i want toys of the girls more than the TFs? because there molds are wayyyyy over used.


It's a new mold. Currently, the transformation sequence appears to be the same, but the mold is completely redone. (Which is why I was speculating that they may have considered re-sizing it as well.) But what is ironic is that Impul does do aftermarket parts for Nissan, and also has some funky looking cars (with one I kinda like). :lol:

But honestly? Seeing how they are not Kiss Players,it is not bad to want the Racing Queen figures more. ;)
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby Burn » Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:52 pm

Calsonic sure does have some nice ... ahem ... colours ... yes ...
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:56 pm

RodimalToyota wrote:Is it too much to speculate we might be getting vinyl race queens, I mean they sure are pushing those images, even with just prototype images they still want us to see the girls, maybe part of the price increase will be small vinyl race queens?

why would they go through so much effort for just a small art character?


^ THIS! :michaelbay:

I am 100% certain that atop of the pricing tied to the content is the case here. Because it makes perfect sense to have the added content (not on the car) be what increases the price. Especially if they do decide to include a figure that is their Racing Queen partner. :ic$:

So good job with that speculation, RT! ;)^
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

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Not certain if those are meant to be their actual names.
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Re: Super GT Optimus Prime and Star Saber Prototype Images

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:38 pm

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Burn wrote:Calsonic sure does have some nice ... ahem ... colours ... yes ...
Not certain if those are meant to be their actual names.

Ditto. But it is interesting to find that he likes the French owned Super GT racing team's "queen." :P
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #90 - Dark Scorponok
Twincast / Podcast #90:
"Dark Scorponok"
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Posted: Monday, April 7th, 2014