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Starscream GaGa wrote:I think it makes most sense for this Megatron because, ever since he got to Earth, nothing has really gone right for him. Giving up and wanting to go back to Cybertron is the logical conclusion anyone would come to.

That and it kind of makes Megatron...ya know, a three dimensional character rather than Saturday morning cartoon variety, "BLARGH I'M SO EVIL I MUST BE EVIL!"

..And it only took them until the last scene of the third movie.

Optimus Prime, on the other hand stays disturbingly monstrous throughout.

Yeah, that's true. He does say he's tired of fighting and he's going to go home and rebuild Cybertron even if he has to go through his own troops to do it. And when Optimus says he's staying on Earth, Megatron pretty much tells him he's welcome back to Cybertron any time.

I still wish it was a full-fledged partnership between them throughout the movie, though. And Shockwave should have been given much more to do. I really think Ehren Kruger and Michael Bay missed the boat on the whole "Optimus and Megatron vs. Shockwave and Sentinel" thing.

I am curious to see just how closely the novel follows the movie script. I have read other movie novels which ended up being drastically different than the actual film. I'm kind of hoping at least one thing doesn't happen in the movie.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I still wish it was a full-fledged partnership between them throughout the movie, though.

That may have been Hasbro's influence. I can imagine them saying they don't want kids to be confused about Megatron being a good guy.

But then again they're making an expensive toy of a character who gets unceremoniously killed, so what do they know?

The thing that really gets me is how much of the plot resembles G1 cartoon episodes. The plot is totally taken from Megatron's Master Plan (hints of this were in ROTF too) and The Ultimate Doom. There are also elements of Dark Awakening (respected hero comes back to life but turns traitor) and Return Of Optimus Prime (villain helps heroes against a common foe, calls for peace at the end).

Diem wrote:The thing that really gets me is how much of the plot resembles G1 cartoon episodes. The plot is totally taken from Megatron's Master Plan (hints of this were in ROTF too) and The Ultimate Doom. There are also elements of Dark Awakening (respected hero comes back to life but turns traitor) and Return Of Optimus Prime (villain helps heroes against a common foe, calls for peace at the end).

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally, someone sees it.

Folks, we're getting G1-fied movies. As much as you hate to admit it, ROTF had a few G1 elements. This film is loaded with them and screaming for a comparison.

We asked, we got. Now, please don't whine about this one. Please?

It really is a good story, and a lot of fun. Please give it a chance.

Oh, and celebrate the handiwork of Kruger, he did an excellent job here. I see spots in the story where Orci & Kurtzman would've ruined this film.

I think the similarities to Ultimate Doom are a coincidence, rather than intentional.

Autobot032 wrote:

Diem wrote:The thing that really gets me is how much of the plot resembles G1 cartoon episodes. The plot is totally taken from Megatron's Master Plan (hints of this were in ROTF too) and The Ultimate Doom. There are also elements of Dark Awakening (respected hero comes back to life but turns traitor) and Return Of Optimus Prime (villain helps heroes against a common foe, calls for peace at the end).

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally, someone sees it.

Folks, we're getting G1-fied movies. As much as you hate to admit it, ROTF had a few G1 elements. This film is loaded with them and screaming for a comparison.

We asked, we got. Now, please don't whine about this one. Please?

It really is a good story, and a lot of fun. Please give it a chance.

Oh, and celebrate the handiwork of Kruger, he did an excellent job here. I see spots in the story where Orci & Kurtzman would've ruined this film.

I tried to point that out on another forum in 2009 and got banned for even suggesting RotF was anything like G1. Goes to show you Transformers fans never know what they want, even when they get it.

Starscream GaGa wrote:I think the similarities to Ultimate Doom are a coincidence, rather than intentional.

Coincidence? I think you should rewatch Ultimate Doom, reread the novel and come back after having a refreshed view of the whole thing.

Anyone who is in the know and watches this film or reads this book is going to say "Oh. The Ultimate Doom. Hmm."