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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Starscream GaGa » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:18 am

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I saw the Ultimate Doom quite recently, while there are similarities in teleporting Cybertron to Earth and having human slaves and yes, that is a very G1 plot, the rest of the movie is completely new.
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Tekka » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:21 am

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Even if the movies share one or two similar story elements with other series, claiming "omfg, neo G1" is horrendously stupid when taking the content of the movies into account as a whole. Personally I can't even begin to imagine how you'd justify this comparison to yourselves.

But if you are just using it as another excuse to tell people to "stop whining",
I guess every little rock counts as a hit, no matter how little damage it does in reality.
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Autobot032 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:10 pm

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Starscream GaGa wrote:I saw the Ultimate Doom quite recently, while there are similarities in teleporting Cybertron to Earth and having human slaves and yes, that is a very G1 plot, the rest of the movie is completely new.


:-X ...you might want to edit part of that...
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby starscreamprime1010 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:48 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:
Starscream GaGa wrote:I think the similarities to Ultimate Doom are a coincidence, rather than intentional.


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Coincidence? I think you should rewatch Ultimate Doom, reread the novel and come back after having a refreshed view of the whole thing.

Anyone who is in the know and watches this film or reads this book is going to say "Oh. The Ultimate Doom. Hmm."

that was exactly my face. Ehren Kruger actually tried to give us a G1 based storyline and people are refusing to believe it? Fans these days :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Starscream GaGa » Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:54 pm

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It's not that I don't like the plot of the movie,m I think it's much better than the other two's, it's just I fail to see any evidence that it IS more than a coincidence.

Even the focuses are different Ultimate Doom was more about mind-controlled slaves tan anything else whereas the movie is more about Sentinel Prime and the war on Earth. I think it's less of a case of people refusing to see it as a homage and more of a case of people tricking themself into it being a homage.

It doesn't really matter if it's a homage or not anyway.
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Diem » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:01 pm

At the risk of looking wishy-washy I think it's somewhere in the middle. I think it's more than a coincidence but I don't think the writers specifically watched G1 episodes and tried to replicate them. Could it be subconscious memories of them watching the cartoons as kids, or picking something up from looking through Transformers websites for background? Could it be that there are only so many stories you can tell if you insist on using the same characters in the same situation for 25 years?
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:32 am

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Oh, I think that Cybertron being transported to Earth is right out of the Ultimate Doom. The exact same thing happened there. Some of the other elements of the story might be either coincidence or just a thinly veiled attempt at making Bayverse more G1-esque (which I overwhelmingly approve of, it's a definite improvement) and some are brand new, especially when it comes to the humans.
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Starscream GaGa » Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:03 pm

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Quite a few sources are saying they've seen advanced screenings and Prime now kills Megatron at the end by cutting his face with his axe and ripping out his spine immediately after Megatron helps him up.

My soul died just a bit. I really hope this isn't true.
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby _I_Am_Megatron_ » Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:13 pm

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I smell some BSing.

That's just something that Prime wouldn't do, he's a good guy.
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Starscream GaGa » Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:21 pm

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_I_Am_Megatron_ wrote:I smell some BSing.

That's just something that Prime wouldn't do, he's a good guy.



When has movie Prime ever acted wholesome?

Normally I'd be skeptical, but there's more than one person describing the scene. It seems like such a waste of a good ending!
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby _I_Am_Megatron_ » Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:24 pm

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He's only killed in self defense so far in the movies.
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:18 am

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Is it Optimus Prime or Sentinel Prime? Sentinel, I can definitely see do that. Optimus, probably not, unless it's in absolute self defense. I hope it doesn't happen. I actually had high hopes they would do Megatron right this time. At least they got his design right...
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Starscream GaGa » Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:56 am

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No. Optimus.
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby anDarty » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:23 am

Im sure you guys already know by now but Prime doesn infact tear Megatron apart with Megatron almost defenceless. I 'spose he is justified, (pay-back even for ROTF?) but it just felt so un-Prime to kill Megs like that.
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Bleak5170 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:15 am

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anDarty wrote:Im sure you guys already know by now but Prime doesn infact tear Megatron apart with Megatron almost defenceless. I 'spose he is justified, (pay-back even for ROTF?) but it just felt so un-Prime to kill Megs like that.


It's almost as if Bay looked at Wolverine in the X-men movies and decided Optimus was going to be the Autobot's bad-ass anti-hero. It's like you can't have a decent and moral hero anymore.
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Cheesinator » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:53 am

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Bleak5170 wrote: It's almost as if Bay looked at Wolverine in the X-men movies and decided Optimus was going to be the Autobot's bad-ass anti-hero. It's like you can't have a decent and moral hero anymore.


THIS. As long as you totally disregard everything you know about Optimus Prime prior to the ROTF (even in the 2007 movie, he's a pretty peaceful guy; only violent when he has to be and is remorseful afterwards), the Prime in ROTF and DOTM is totally fine. He's just some badass, ruthless warrior who tear apart anyone who threatens his adopted home...and occasionally preaches about freedom and genocide against enemies in the same sentence.

I'm a little surprised Bay didn't have him put on a leather trenchcoat at some point and bang Arcee.
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Red 50 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:14 pm

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Cheesinator wrote:I'm a little surprised Bay didn't have him put on a leather trenchcoat at some point and bang Arcee.


Now that's just harsh. Grow up.
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:16 pm

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Red 50 wrote:
Cheesinator wrote:I'm a little surprised Bay didn't have him put on a leather trenchcoat at some point and bang Arcee.


Now that's just harsh. Grow up.


What's harsh about that?
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby Red 50 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:31 pm

Motto: "Never send an army to do a dinobot's job"
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SlyTF1 wrote:
Red 50 wrote:
Cheesinator wrote:I'm a little surprised Bay didn't have him put on a leather trenchcoat at some point and bang Arcee.


Now that's just harsh. Grow up.


What's harsh about that?


Don't know. Sorry, a bit tired right now, guess I read some criticism...
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Re: SUPER SPOILERS: DOTM Novelization

Postby ScreamerFTW » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:39 pm

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In my opinion the movie ending is better and makes sense... Megatron tells Optimus that he wanted to remain leader and live another day, and Prime is sick of the Decepticons so he kills him, in the book.... Like Megatron says... in order to rebuild Cybertron.... EARTH WOULD HAVE TO DIE,PRIME ACCEPTING MEGATRON AS A GOOD GUY IS A MASSIVE PLOTHOLE.... AND PRIME WANTS T0 DEFEND EARTH, SO HE SHOULD'VE KILLED HIM, LIKE IN THE MOVIE
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