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News Credits: 1 · by **Wigglez** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:58 pm

Superman, the nearly unbeatable hero vs Goku, another nearly unbeatable hero. They both can pretty much walk away from being nuked, both really really strong and fast. Who would win?

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:27 pm

Two days short of a year old.

News Credits: 1 · by **Wigglez** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:19 pm

Shadowman wrote:Two days short of a year old.

OH THAT'S BUNS!! I even looked through the search and I couldn't find that.

by **Megatron000** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:56 pm

Goku. How is this even a debate?

News Credits: 5 · by **BeastProwl** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:54 am

Megatron000 wrote:Goku. How is this even a debate?

It's already been debated, though after watching almost 250 episodes of the dragonball series as a whole, I have to agree.

by **zenosaurus_x** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:14 am

Goku's got a massive speed disadvantage, depending on which version of SuperMan we're using anyways. If speed was equalized though...

Hard to say at that point. I know Pre-Crisis is a bit too much, but Post and New 52 (though I know next to nothing of this one) would make good matches assuming the speed was the same.

Cartoon Supes gets murdered though.

News Credits: 5 · by **BeastProwl** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:46 am

zenosaurus_x wrote:Goku's got a massive speed disadvantage

Instant Transmission is basically teleportation. though it does have a base speed. How fast can superman go anyway?

He also trained under 100X earth's normal gravity at one point, so speed isn't a problem.

Of course, that might not be saying much, since vegeta pushed around 450/500.

I think what it would eventually come down to is stamina/energy use.
Does Superman have an energy limit? To many eye lasers and he poops out? Because Goku has a limit, though he rarely exceeds it unless it's necessary.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:14 am

BeastProwl wrote:I think what it would eventually come down to is stamina/energy use.
Does Superman have an energy limit? To many eye lasers and he poops out? Because Goku has a limit, though he rarely exceeds it unless it's necessary.

Yes and no. Superman gains energy by absorbing yellow sunlight, so even when he's really pushing himself, he doesn't begin to notice a drop in stamina until it's night time.

by **zenosaurus_x** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:47 pm

BeastProwl wrote:
zenosaurus_x wrote:Goku's got a massive speed disadvantage

Instant Transmission is basically teleportation. though it does have a base speed. How fast can superman go anyway?

Depends. His speed is largely inconsistent, but it ranges from lightspeed to millions of times it apparently. Even in the old movie he was fast enough to go back in time. Goku is around Mach 1,000 last I checked though with IT that changes things.

The problem with IT is it moves you towards someone because you have to lock onto their spirit. It's certainly useful (and Superman's not likely to try and blitz him before he can do it, because that's not how Superman is) it's just also potentially very dangerous.

He also trained under 100X earth's normal gravity at one point, so speed isn't a problem.

Of course, that might not be saying much, since vegeta pushed around 450/500.

I think what it would eventually come down to is stamina/energy use.
Does Superman have an energy limit? To many eye lasers and he poops out? Because Goku has a limit, though he rarely exceeds it unless it's necessary.

Unsure on this one, but what Shadowman said sounds about right. Saiyan strength is mainly in the ranged attacks though, they are pretty strong physically it just wasn't showcased as much to give us a good idea of where they're at.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:49 pm

zenosaurus_x wrote:(and Superman's not likely to try and blitz him before he can do it, because that's not how Superman is)

Hal Jordan once bragged to Batman that, with his ring, he was more than a match for Superman. Superman then immediately came out of nowhere and KO'd Hal in one shot, pretty much just to prove that he could.

It's a lesson many villains learn the hard way, never assume you know how Superman is.

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