RAcast wrote: Bowspearer wrote:
RAcast wrote:That's certainly a very intriguing idea. Even if they don't make them remolds of one another (they're probably too different for that), I could see it being a case of very-nearly-the-same-engineering-for-most-of-it.
That's like saying that an MP Cliffjumper would be near identical to Wheeljack and Sunstreaker. Sure, part of the hood becomes the feet and the legs extend, but the top sections and arm transformations are radically different.
It's a fallacious a statement as claiming that a Sideswipe recolour would be a great MP Sunstreaker. It also makes me wonder how many people making these statements are actually familiar with the G1 toys to a significant extent.
But the MP line is dedicated to CARTOON accuracy, not necessarily G1 TOY accuracy.
Really? Then explain the fact that they went with RIRFIB rather than RIBFIR when they did the cassettes?
RAcast wrote:- Both Wheeljack and Sunstreaker have grill feet.
- Both have car roof+front-window chests
- Both have the rear wheels of the vehicle ending up on front-outside of their shoulder, albeit in slightly different configurations (Wheeljack's facing the sides, Streaker's facing the front). Note: The only artwork I could find of Sunstreaker showing his wheels showed them in the toy's configuration, other artwork simply omitted the wheels.
Given those three points, you simply cannot say that their transformation schemes must be "radically different." They certainly could be, but it is a reasonable guess to say that they may be similar.
And in all of the above, you've completely ignored the engineering of the figures at the same time as saying this.
For one thing, Sunstreaker's shins form the sides of his cab form - wheeljack's do not.
Secondly the way the head and neck convert on both of them is fundamentally different.
Third, the way the forearms comprise the car mode is radically different in both characters and if you watch clips of both transformations you'll see that. This should hardly be surprising as the transformation animations are loosely modeled on the toys.
Furthermore if you look at MP-12 and MP-14, the transformation mimics the G1 version - legs extending (by way of panels this time), arms sliding out (this time through rotating panels) and hood folding down to reveal the chest and the head. There is simply no reason to believe that Takara would take a fundamentally different approach, as you seem to be claiming they would, when working with other MP figures. I suspect that this is because they understand the way "cartoon physics" do and do not translate to toy form - something which you appear to have failed to grasp here.
In short There was no "you can't just say" on my part as I had actually thought about the engineering involved. Unfortunately you cannot say the same thing.
In other news, I just got an email from BBTS informing me that MP-19 is Bluestreak.