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Bowspearer wrote:
You cannot turn this:



into this:



with a mere minor retool. Forgetting about the difference in the shoulders, the chest transforms radically differently, the waist is fundamentally different and the feet/legs transformation is fundamentally different.

Two minor mold changes separate Prowl and Jazz. In both cases the head is attached to the roof/front windshield of the car mode and folds down to reveal the head. The chest in both cases is the front of the vehicle from the doors forward folded at a 90 degree angle. In both cases the feet are formed by pulling the rear of the vehicle- from behind the doors back- down and apart. You can turn Jazz into Prowl by:

1. Adding a hip rotation allowing the waist to turn around 180 degrees so that the rear of the car forms the front of the feet and legs; and
2. Turning the wheels/shoulders on Jazz so that they match the angle of Prowl's.

Structurally, as robot modes they are virtually identical. You can keep the robot portion- the infrastructure engineering, so to speak- the same and simply change the exterior to change one to another. Not quite a "repaint", but much less than a new mold altogether, saving wads of money on engineering and time to produce. The infrastructure can remain the same and only the exterior need change. This is why I say Jazz will come from this basic mold. I have both Jazz and Prowl's G1 figures. They really are not that different.

First-Aid wrote:Two minor mold changes separate Prowl and Jazz. In both cases the head is attached to the roof/front windshield of the car mode and folds down to reveal the head. The chest in both cases is the front of the vehicle from the doors forward folded at a 90 degree angle. In both cases the feet are formed by pulling the rear of the vehicle- from behind the doors back- down and apart. You can turn Jazz into Prowl by:

1. Adding a hip rotation allowing the waist to turn around 180 degrees so that the rear of the car forms the front of the feet and legs; and
2. Turning the wheels/shoulders on Jazz so that they match the angle of Prowl's.

Structurally, as robot modes they are virtually identical. You can keep the robot portion- the infrastructure engineering, so to speak- the same and simply change the exterior to change one to another. Not quite a "repaint", but much less than a new mold altogether, saving wads of money on engineering and time to produce. The infrastructure can remain the same and only the exterior need change. This is why I say Jazz will come from this basic mold. I have both Jazz and Prowl's G1 figures. They really are not that different.

While I personally think they'll change a few things to further differentiate them, this is basically what I feel, too.

lol. I can't believe people are still arguing over mod changes and speculations of making this mold into Jazz. Jazz is not in the line up right now. Let's move on. It's not any different of an argument than saying that if you mod Sideswipe you'll have Sunstreaker.

It'll take far more than a mere retool job (no matter how extensive to turn this:

Into this:

Jazz needs to have his own mold made for him. To do otherwise would go against the very nature of the Masterpiece line.

Sabrblade wrote:Jazz needs to have his own mold made for him. To do otherwise would go against the very nature of the Masterpiece line.

I'm not crazy enough to get into this argument, but I disagree on this point. I think redecoes and retools are core to the Masterpiece series, just as it was to the original G1 toyline. There will always be ways to redo Starscream, and I don't think we've yet reached the limit on ways to use the MP-10 mold.

While I want to see official MP Shockwave, a rescaled Megatron, and new molds, HasTak obviously want to get as much use out of each individual mold as possible, hence both of Prowl's redecoes to follow.

Henry921 wrote:and I don't think we've yet reached the limit on ways to use the MP-10 mold.

like maybe reissuing OPTIMUS in quantities sufficient to meet the customer demand as well! =)

Henry921 wrote:I'm not crazy enough to get into this argument, but I disagree on this point. I think redecoes and retools are core to the Masterpiece series, just as it was to the original G1 toyline.

In that sense, Jazz would still require his own mold since G1 Jazz was still his own mold separate from Prowl.

If they really wanted to milk MP redecos/remolds for all that they're worth, they would have made the Lambor mold be able to work for Sunstreaker. But, they did not, and are even doing the similarly-colored Tigertrack instead to boot.

Sabrblade wrote:If they really wanted to milk MP redecos/remolds for all that they're worth, they would have made the Lambor mold be able to work for Sunstreaker. But, they did not, and are even doing the similarly-colored Tigertrack instead to boot.

With Tigertrack out there, I've got this sinking feeling that we'll never see an mp Sunstreaker. I expected to see a slight mold retool for him, but seems like Takara is moving on. Maybe Hasbro...

So I think Prowl should come with Chip Chase....What do you all think?

That's a good accessory.