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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:My thoughts are, if you're going to be redoing the car shell as well as parts of the transformation, you may as well create a whole new mold from scratch. They made a new mold for RtS Jazz instead of making him a Universe Silverstreak repaint, didn't they?
Rated X wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:My thoughts are, if you're going to be redoing the car shell as well as parts of the transformation, you may as well create a whole new mold from scratch. They made a new mold for RtS Jazz instead of making him a Universe Silverstreak repaint, didn't they?
Thats true, but what about when Has/Tak cut costs by intergrating Sunstreaker and Sideswipe into the same mold ? In G1 they were 2 completly different molds. (a real Lamborghini Countach and a futuristic car roughly based on the Lamborghini Countach) With 2 totally different robot mode transformations. We could see something simiular on an MP scale. If Prowl's shoulder wheels mysteriously flip up for no reason and his lower legs swivel 360 degrees like FP Assualter, then we know whats coming.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Rated X wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:My thoughts are, if you're going to be redoing the car shell as well as parts of the transformation, you may as well create a whole new mold from scratch. They made a new mold for RtS Jazz instead of making him a Universe Silverstreak repaint, didn't they?
Thats true, but what about when Has/Tak cut costs by intergrating Sunstreaker and Sideswipe into the same mold ? In G1 they were 2 completly different molds. (a real Lamborghini Countach and a futuristic car roughly based on the Lamborghini Countach) With 2 totally different robot mode transformations. We could see something simiular on an MP scale. If Prowl's shoulder wheels mysteriously flip up for no reason and his lower legs swivel 360 degrees like FP Assualter, then we know whats coming.
I knew you were gonna bring up Universe Sunsteaker/Sideswipe![]()
While Universe's aim was updating designs, Masterpiece's aim is for cartoon-accuracy and no cutting corners. Take a close look at Red Alert and compare him with Sideswipe. They could have left out the wheels on the shoulders and the detail on the hood chest, but they didn't.
Doc bot wrote:Since they're being true to the original car makes, I guess we're never going to see Jazz or even Bumblebee with those German car makers avoid toys with guns. Bummer.
Rated X wrote:Bowspearer wrote:First-Aid wrote:plus a minor retool will result in Jazz/Stepper/Ricochet.
You cannot turn this:
into this:
with a mere minor retool. Forgetting about the difference in the shoulders, the chest transforms radically differently, the waist is fundamentally different and the feet/legs transformation is fundamentally different.
Yes Hasbro might try it because in their market, adult collectors make up the minority. However we are talking about Takara, whose bread and butter are adult collectors and where the Masterpiece line is a mainstream retail release. Furthermore Prowl and Meister are very popular characters, so there's no way in hell they're going to cut corners with either.
Oh the re-tool will happen. Remember Takara are the ones bold enough to paint Scourge purple, give him a new head, and call him Ratbat.
Rated X wrote:Takara is also the one who were too lazy to remove the stupid light up hand gimmick on their version of G1 Unicron.
Rated X wrote:Takara is so lazy they dont even assemble their arms microns, they give you an unasembled kit.(WTF?)
Rated X wrote:Takaras strength is paint and they will make this mold look just like Jazz. The feet will spin around to simulate the proper look, and the wheels on the shoulders will probally flip up. Shoulder cannons will be clip on.
Rated X wrote:4. Remember we are talking about re-tooling here. The transformation is very similar to adapt a porcshe re-shell. The legs can be turned around and the wheels on the the shoulder can be flipped up. If Has/Tak doesnt modify it, Igear might like they did with the seekers.
Rated X wrote:Thats true, but what about when Has/Tak cut costs by intergrating Sunstreaker and Sideswipe into the same mold ? In G1 they were 2 completly different molds. (a real Lamborghini Countach and a futuristic car roughly based on the Lamborghini Countach) With 2 totally different robot mode transformations.
Rated X wrote:I tend to think both the Universe line and the Masterpiece line have the same goal. For me "updating designs" means advanced articulation combined with cartoon accuracy. The good thing about the MP line is that it's target audience is NOT kids. So we can get those 80's cars we love instead of something that has to be "cool enough" to impress todays kids. Thats where the whole "NEO" debate comes in. Is "NEO" a designers reinvisioning or a kiddie marketing gimmick ? (Only Hasbro really knows the answer) The bad thing about the MP line is theyre large size and cost. It really restricts the amount of figures designed by Has/Tak as well as a collectors ability to afford and display the entire G1 cast. Not to mention those annoying licensing issues with some car companies like Ferarri and Volkswagon make getting an MP release of some characters impossible.
warzon3 wrote:Honestly, I don't see them finishing the 1984 lineup. And that has nothing to do with car licenses.
They are going to do characters that sell the best and then whatever repaints they can get from those... I think after they do a few more season 1 cons/bots they are going to move on to most wanted Season 2/1986 Movie characters and beyond(Armada, beast wars, etc), and by that time the line will probably lose steam and end.
This line is all about toon G1 accuracy though. They most definitely would do a new mold for Jazz. And Cliffy looks nothing like his car, they would make him look like the toon.
As much as I get tired of movie Bee, I really do hope we get a MP for him. If they don't finish the 1984 line as long as we have a MP-10 and a MP Bee I would be pretty happy.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Mindmaster wrote:I'm still a little niffed that they decided to make Prowl and friends over a Galvatron/Megatron Version 2. Not that I don't like Prowl: I'm really digging the mold, looks fantastic thus far. But I feel that the leaders take a little bit more priority over the lesser ranks.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Bowspearer wrote:Quite simply put, licensing issues aside (and considering Lamborgini were on board, there's no reason to think that Porsche and VW wont be either), there is no reason, short of some global catastrophe, that the Masterpiece line wont continue for many years to come.
Mindmaster wrote:I'm still a little niffed that they decided to make Prowl and friends over a Galvatron/Megatron Version 2. Not that I don't like Prowl: I'm really digging the mold, looks fantastic thus far. But I feel that the leaders take a little bit more priority over the lesser ranks.
Doc bot wrote:I just want them to do a real cartoon accurate Ironhide in his true Nissan Onebox Cherry Vanette form. Those things are so ugly that they're awesome. They already work with Nissan and can even remold it as Ratchet. Come on Takara!
mandingo_rex wrote:Also, I am in the crowd who thinks they'll partially use the tech behind the Fairlady mold in a Jazz redesign. The entire upper body will likely be used to some degree. I also feel like the Lambo mold may wind up being re-engineered for Wheeljack or a similar transformation.
Parts may be completely redone, but the "thinking" behind it is already done, for the most part. I can easily see them using the rough skeleton from one for the other. Hell, the Binaltech/Alternators RX-8 was similar in transformation to the Subaru mold, too.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Bowspearer wrote:Except that's the thing. Everyone is basing this around CHUG and Binartech, but the thing is that the goal with CHUG and Binartech is completely different to the goal with that Masterpiece line.
The Binartech line and CHUG lines were both based around new incarnations of classic characters in modern alt modes. It's the reason why we saw Red Alert sharing the same design as Smokescreen in Binartech and why Sideswipe shared the same design as Sunstreaker in CHUG.
The reason that this could be done was because the newer versions were not constrained by the original designs.
The paradigm with the Masterpiece line however is fundamentally different. The goal with it has always been to update the original incarnations of classic characters by infusing the original designs with enhanced articulation and engineering that wasn't feasible back when they were first made.
Every design to date has built on the original basic design in a way that has not cut corners. Look at the run to date and name one instance since MP-10 which has cut corners with the original design as opposed to enhancing it whilst remaining true to it. Furthermore if they were going to cut corners, then why hasn't Sunstreaker turned up yet?
Rated X wrote:Bowspearer wrote:First-Aid wrote:plus a minor retool will result in Jazz/Stepper/Ricochet.
You cannot turn this:
into this:
with a mere minor retool. Forgetting about the difference in the shoulders, the chest transforms radically differently, the waist is fundamentally different and the feet/legs transformation is fundamentally different.
Yes Hasbro might try it because in their market, adult collectors make up the minority. However we are talking about Takara, whose bread and butter are adult collectors and where the Masterpiece line is a mainstream retail release. Furthermore Prowl and Meister are very popular characters, so there's no way in hell they're going to cut corners with either.
Oh the re-tool will happen. Remember Takara are the ones bold enough to paint Scourge purple, give him a new head, and call him Ratbat. Takara is also the one who were too lazy to remove the stupid light up hand gimmick on their version of G1 Unicron. Takara is so lazy they dont even assemble their arms microns, they give you an unasembled kit.(WTF?) Takaras strength is paint and they will make this mold look just like Jazz. The feet will spin around to simulate the proper look, and the wheels on the shoulders will probally flip up. Shoulder cannons will be clip on.
mandingo_rex wrote:Ravage? He is completely different. MP-10 has plenty of new twists and turns that make him way more complex, especially with the way they treat the entire wheels-hide-into-the-chest and the duplicate grill/stomach transformation. MP-05's trigger was a really significant change, swapping out the fake wheels on Red Alert, etc.
GiveMeSkyfire wrote:mandingo_rex wrote:Ravage? He is completely different. MP-10 has plenty of new twists and turns that make him way more complex, especially with the way they treat the entire wheels-hide-into-the-chest and the duplicate grill/stomach transformation. MP-05's trigger was a really significant change, swapping out the fake wheels on Red Alert, etc.
This make no sense to anyone else?
The idea that Jazz will be made from this mold is retarded. Not going to happen. Period. Saying that they are going to take fundamental design functions from Prowl mold to make a Jazz mold also is silly. Besides, all robots that turn to cars have "similar" design ques. They also all have arms and wheels.
If we see a Jazz it will be its own mold build from scratch. Just like every other MP toy that was not a character that was already exactly the same as its repaint.
Sorry if this sounds snotty but I get a laugh at the rampant speculation about this type of thing, esp when its said with such certainty. Unless you work for Takara, then I take it all back..... Do you?
GiveMeSkyfire wrote:I guess I should specify that my comment was directed in two different directions. That specific paragraph didn't make sense to me, and in addition, the whole Jazz from Prowl argument as a whole.
That said-
Sorry I don't agree with your stupid, baseless, speculations. All three pages of it.
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