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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby Ultra Markus » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:27 am

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one question is are these going to have licencing by nissan like sideswipe and red alert were with Lamborghini? and if they did jazz would he be a Porsche, since jazz was a Porsche in G1 would Porsche still have issues licensing transformers like they have in the past or would jazz be something else?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby noctorro » Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:24 am

<grumpy>

Before you pump out yet another Masterpiece, and choosing a mold that's been pretty much done in the Alternator line, you should consider rethinking the transformations.
My Seeker is flimsey, if you grab it by the waist the front of the body falls down, can't rotate the shoulders without shifting bigger parts etc.

tnx, Takara bye

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:08 am

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:So, how does this new dark silhouette that shows you next to nothing differ from the first dark silhouette that shows you next to nothing?
This is from a different angle. :P

KnightStrike wrote:You think by now Takara could afford some light bulbs ;) Seriously wish they would drop the teaser thing and just show pics of their products, its killing me to find out if these bots are indeed Datsun 280Zs :PRAY:
That's the idea. They do this to keep us in suspense and get us excited. It's all just to build up hype.

If they showed it to us now, the big reveal to come later would be spoiled.

Ultra Markus wrote:one question is are these going to have licencing by nissan like sideswipe and red alert were with Lamborghini? and if they did jazz would he be a Porsche, since jazz was a Porsche in G1 would Porsche still have issues licensing transformers like they have in the past or would jazz be something else?
But this is Prowl. :???:
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby kirbenvost » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:34 am

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby Muscle Man » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:52 am

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:29 pm

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby TimothyR » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:14 pm

My one and only complaint (it's minor) is that the ends of his doors don't curl up like they did in the show.

And I REALLY hope he doesn't have "POLICE" painted on his doors. Leave that to hasbro.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:20 pm

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TimothyR wrote:My one and only complaint (it's minor) is that the ends of his doors don't curl up like they did in the show.

And I REALLY hope he doesn't have "POLICE" painted on his doors. Leave that to hasbro.


Even if the Takara G1 toy had them too?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby Stormrider » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:08 pm

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noctorro wrote:<grumpy>

Before you pump out yet another Masterpiece, and choosing a mold that's been pretty much done in the Alternator line, you should consider rethinking the transformations.
My Seeker is flimsey, if you grab it by the waist the front of the body falls down, can't rotate the shoulders without shifting bigger parts etc.

tnx, Takara bye

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I understand your gripe and agree, but I think they did a pretty good job MP Sidesweipe, Convoy, and Soundwave. I have faith MP Prowl will have better articulation than the seekers.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby KnightStrike » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:14 pm

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KnightStrike wrote:You think by now Takara could afford some light bulbs ;) Seriously wish they would drop the teaser thing and just show pics of their products, its killing me to find out if these bots are indeed Datsun 280Zs :PRAY:

Sabrblade wrote:
That's the idea. They do this to keep us in suspense and get us excited. It's all just to build up hype.
If they showed it to us now, the big reveal to come later would be spoiled.


Point well taken, but this is Prowl(and more importantly for me the same mold as Bluestreak!) we are talking about! This much suspense just isn't right ;) On a more serious note, Nissan owns the rights to all things Datsun and Nissan has expressed no issues with licensing to HasTak for TFs correct, or am I getting things confused again?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby sdn1337 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:15 pm

Come on... takara is definitely doing this on purpose! You can tell that this figure along with smokescreen and bluestreak are going to be awesome though. Can't wait to see what they actually look like.

I also hope that takara/hasbro keeps the same scale with the mp line. They probably will though i don't see why rescaling again would do any good. They probably did that with optimus because that was their first masterpiece ever and it was a test in a way.

But hopefully by 2015 most of the G1 roster will be out. I don't know though. That would be A LOT of mp figures in such little time. I just want to see everyone looking exactly how they looked in the show.

I wasn't alive when G1 started, but i bet anyone that was never thought years from then they'd have figures that look pretty much exactly the way they do in the show. The wonders of technology and the mind.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby KnightStrike » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:24 pm

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sdn1337 wrote:Come on... takara is definitely doing this on purpose! You can tell that this figure along with smokescreen and bluestreak are going to be awesome though. Can't wait to see what they actually look like.

I also hope that takara/hasbro keeps the same scale with the mp line. They probably will though i don't see why rescaling again would do any good. They probably did that with optimus because that was their first masterpiece ever and it was a test in a way.

But hopefully by 2015 most of the G1 roster will be out. I don't know though. That would be A LOT of mp figures in such little time. I just want to see everyone looking exactly how they looked in the show.

I wasn't alive when G1 started, but i bet anyone that was never thought years from then they'd have figures that look pretty much exactly the way they do in the show. The wonders of technology and the mind.


I am pretty sure if in 1984 someone had told me that one day I would get Transformers that looked just like they did in the cartoon and have oodles of articulation so you could do all kinds of awesome poses my kid brain would have exploded from sheer awesomeness :lol:
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby Ultra Markus » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:39 pm

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:So, how does this new dark silhouette that shows you next to nothing differ from the first dark silhouette that shows you next to nothing?
This is from a different angle. :P

KnightStrike wrote:You think by now Takara could afford some light bulbs ;) Seriously wish they would drop the teaser thing and just show pics of their products, its killing me to find out if these bots are indeed Datsun 280Zs :PRAY:
That's the idea. They do this to keep us in suspense and get us excited. It's all just to build up hype.

If they showed it to us now, the big reveal to come later would be spoiled.

Ultra Markus wrote:one question is are these going to have licencing by nissan like sideswipe and red alert were with Lamborghini? and if they did jazz would he be a Porsche, since jazz was a Porsche in G1 would Porsche still have issues licensing transformers like they have in the past or would jazz be something else?
But this is Prowl. :???:

So, im not talking about Prowl
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby Blurrz » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:56 pm

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby TimothyR » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:31 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
TimothyR wrote:My one and only complaint (it's minor) is that the ends of his doors don't curl up like they did in the show.

And I REALLY hope he doesn't have "POLICE" painted on his doors. Leave that to hasbro.


Even if the Takara G1 toy had them too?


If you notice, takara shoots more for toon accuracy. Hence their recent starscream, hot rod, and the accessories that soundwave and sideswipe come with.

In the cartoon neither car doors or robot mode doors had "POLICE" painted on them.

The only thing that takara omits are colors, especially silver for white. In the toon, primes waist and thighs are white, while his toy is silver/grey, same goes for parts of soundwaves legs and his forearms.

Hasbro will probably take the toy version, similar to what they did with hot rod.

It wouldn't be the worst thing in he world, it just wouldn't really coincide with the accuracy that they've been striving for lately.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby Bowspearer » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:54 pm

Takara are enjoying this teaser approach ay too much methinks. Still, I can't say I blame them. Every since the paradigm change with the line, they've boarded the proverbial gravy trail and become a pack of plastic crack addicts, with us, their helpless victims.

I imagine that it's just as hard on Shogo Hasui though. Could you imagine making these amazing versions of the original characters- knowing they've been aced, knowing people are going to love them, and then having to keep quiet about it? I imagine it's killing him and the Takara design team as much as it's killing us.

Also Blurrz is spot on about licensing. IIRC, recently it came out that licensing was the stumbling block with us getting a Hasbro release of Sideswipe and Red Alert, while Japan seems to be getting a free pass there. Chances are whilst most of the MP cars wont see a Hasbro release, they should still see a Takara release.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby TimothyR » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:52 pm

Oh, and I think the whole "this mold can be used for jazz" should end. It's not going to happen.. They're not going to use a non original mold for such a major character. They might use some similar techniques, but a lot of transformers share similar techniques.

They're haven't used soundwaves mold for a blaster, haven't used sideswipes mold for susnstreaker, and they haven't used primes mold for motormaster, so why would they use prowls as jazz?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby sdn1337 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:44 pm

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sdn1337 wrote:Come on... takara is definitely doing this on purpose! You can tell that this figure along with smokescreen and bluestreak are going to be awesome though. Can't wait to see what they actually look like.

I also hope that takara/hasbro keeps the same scale with the mp line. They probably will though i don't see why rescaling again would do any good. They probably did that with optimus because that was their first masterpiece ever and it was a test in a way.

But hopefully by 2015 most of the G1 roster will be out. I don't know though. That would be A LOT of mp figures in such little time. I just want to see everyone looking exactly how they looked in the show.

I wasn't alive when G1 started, but i bet anyone that was never thought years from then they'd have figures that look pretty much exactly the way they do in the show. The wonders of technology and the mind.


I am pretty sure if in 1984 someone had told me that one day I would get Transformers that looked just like they did in the cartoon and have oodles of articulation so you could do all kinds of awesome poses my kid brain would have exploded from sheer awesomeness :lol:



Hopefully we will see most of the G1 characters in the next 2-3 years.. my most anticipated release. masterpiece witwicky set with sparkplug, spike, and daniel. :lol: :BOT: :CON:
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby Down_Shift » Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:35 pm

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Er, this toy is a new mold.


Ha ha ha, agreed. Where's the high five emoticon?

Ultra Markus wrote:one question is are these going to have licencing by nissan like sideswipe and red alert were with Lamborghini? and if they did jazz would he be a Porsche, since jazz was a Porsche in G1 would Porsche still have issues licensing transformers like they have in the past or would jazz be something else?


Yes, it would be a licensed Jazz. Just like BT before them, the MP line of cars will all be officially licensed.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby warzon3 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:25 pm

So far I think I'm liking the toon accurate feet/legs.

Prowls shoulders seem too far apart in the teaser though. The chest and arms are huge making the door wings look puny.

And the headsculpt doesn't seem very sleek. Stubby wings on the head and he has no neck? Maybe it is a picture of Smokescreen instead???
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby Bowspearer » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:33 pm

Actually if enough people say something I could see Takara either including "POLICE" stickers or making them downloadable scans, just like they did with the "full energon cube" for Soundwave.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby TimothyR » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:37 pm

warzon3 wrote:So far I think I'm liking the toon accurate feet/legs.

Prowls shoulders seem too far apart in the teaser though. The chest and arms are huge making the door wings look puny.

And the headsculpt doesn't seem very sleek. Stubby wings on the head and he has no neck? Maybe it is a picture of Smokescreen instead???


I don't understand what you mean when you say that his head doesn't look sleek.

No neck? From both of the angles that we've seen, the neck wouldn't be visible.

I'm hoping when we see it in color, his doors won't look so small.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-17 Prowl Teaser

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:33 am

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Henry921 wrote:Where, exactly did I contradict myself? My point of contention was "the very nature of the Masterpiece line", which I felt was intentionally designed both to select popular characters and molds which could be redecoed and retooled, as indeed, Seekers and OP are, and the Alert/Sideswipe mold has already demonstrated.
The very nature of the MP line is to take G1 designs and makes them super detailed and as show-accurate as possible with modern engineering. The use of redeco-able molds is just a business strategy not inherently tied to the purpose of the MP line. That's a strategy that is used for far more than just the MPs.

The contradiction comes from saying, "I think redecoes and retools are core to the Masterpiece series, just as it was to the original G1 toyline." By saying that they're as essential to MP line as the G1 line, that implies that both any molds that we redeoced and any molds that were new molds in G1 deserves the same treatment in MP form. Meaning that since Jazz was a different mold from Prowl in G1, he should have his own MP mold as well, which contradicts the claim that Jazz would work as a remold of MP Prowl.

That last paragraph made more sense in my head before I typed it, so I hope I worded it coherently enough. (:| I-)


^ This. I sincerely could not say it better than this. :APPLAUSE: ;)^

In all cases, the MP line is pretty much a "playground" for those who have the time and ability to make said figures. Saying that all three Convoy are just retools would be like another saying the same about myself, Sabrblade, and Pryme.

As for the beloved Deputy Commander (assuming that is his rank when Convoy was Supreme Commander, as his Takara function was "Second-in-Command, Assisting Convoy") named Meister (Jazz), yeah - He transforms into a Porsche 935 Turbo, versus Prowl transforms into a Datsun 280ZX (aka Nissan S130). Big difference.

But despite that, I think the prospects of there being a "Masterpiece" Meister has spoiled this figure for me. :lol:
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