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Sabrblade wrote:Maybe a few visual examples might help clear up the matter.

Sabr, I sincerely appreciate the visual examples (and they speak volumes of your credibility), but you're fixating on the wrong point. My intention was never to argue about the definition of "mold" or "re-tool".

I'm simply stating the obvious: new Waspy is based strongly on old Waspy, and that's surprising, considering how far TF engineering has come in the last 17 YEARS. You can disagree with THIS statement, but so far, no one has actually made comment on the meat of my actual point. The word "re-tool" and "mold" is more interesting, for some reason.

Besides, BH BB is arguably a "new mold" as most of the parts are significantly changed, just as the new Waspy has a similar arrangement of parts, but slightly different shapes than old Waspy. Or maybe you're claiming it's about size: different size = new mold; same size and similar parts = re-tool. From a broad perspective, looking at the actual transformations (and assuming the new Waspy IS the same transformation), I would stretch the word "re-tool" and put it on new Waspy, in order to indicate that the old Waspy was slightly altered to create a new one (while basic engineering has remained the same).

But forget I said anything. It's astounding how much some of you guys care to argue the minutia details of what a term means in the universally exact sense, as though "mold" and "re-tool" are pre-human words that have exact definitions which are never open to interpretation. As I said before, I really don't care all that much, and I don't need opinionated corrections, as the visual "proof" itself IS open to some interpretation. Sort of like how some people will sell an opened product with all the included items/box and call it "new". I don't call that "new", but maybe you do. I'd love to argue about the word "new", but in reality, I'm far more likely to just shop with someone who agrees with my interpretation of "new." Meaning, "let's agree to disagree!"

And for the love of God, you will NOT find me ever using the word "re-tool" or "mold" again, as the inspired-ire/corrections is feeling rather unfriendly.

Metrosuplex wrote:I'm simply stating the obvious: new Waspy is based strongly on old Waspy, and that's surprising, considering how far TF engineering has come in the last 17 YEARS. You can disagree with THIS statement, but so far, no one has actually made comment on the meat of my actual point. The word "re-tool" and "mold" is more interesting, for some reason.

I did comment on it, you simply ignored it. It is inspired by the show, which was inspired by the original toy, which is what accounts for the similarities. If it was too far off from the original version, it wouldn't look anything like he does on the show and therefore would not be an accurate representation of the character, which is what Beast Wars fans like me wanted. The same goes for Rhinox.

Metrosuplex wrote:I'm simply stating the obvious: new Waspy is based strongly on old Waspy, and that's surprising, considering how far TF engineering has come in the last 17 YEARS.

Ah, now I see.

But, why is this case surprising when things like the Masterpieces do the exact same thing (but in a larger size)?

Metrosuplex wrote:Besides, BH BB is arguably a "new mold" as most of the parts are significantly changed, just as the new Waspy has a similar arrangement of parts, but slightly different shapes than old Waspy.

Hasbro has admitted to taking the Prime RID Bumblebee and changing most (but not all) of its parts to create the Prime BH Bumblebee, whereas they took no parts from the 1996 Waspinator toy to make this new one.

They made this new one from scratch, using the old Beast Wars CG cartoon model as a reference (the 1996 toy did not use the CG model as a reference because that toy was made first, with the CG model being based on the toy, but modified).

Metrosuplex wrote:Or maybe you're claiming it's about size: different size = new mold; same size and similar parts = re-tool.

Nah, size ain't an issue here.

Metrosuplex wrote:From a broad perspective, looking at the actual transformations (and assuming the new Waspy IS the same transformation), I would stretch the word "re-tool" and put it on new Waspy, in order to indicate that the old Waspy was slightly altered to create a new one (while basic engineering has remained the same).

I'd imagine it would only have a similar (but not exactly the same) transformation.

Metrosuplex wrote:But forget I said anything. It's astounding how much some of you guys care to argue the minutia details of what a term means in the universally exact sense, as though "mold" and "re-tool" are pre-human words that have exact definitions which are never open to interpretation.

We're nerds. And proud of it.

You guys got so far off topic.

The real question is, where will Takara be putting the the metallic paint?

Convoy wrote:You guys got so far off topic.

The real question is, where will Takara be putting the the metallic paint?

I hope everywhere save for the beast parts.

Convoy wrote:You guys got so far off topic.

You're right, they did. This thread got out of hand. In the future, and this goes for everyone, please don't single people out for a lack/inability of communication or a lack/inability of understanding or a difference of opinion, whatever the case may be. I don't like seeing what happened in this thread. I have never liked mob mentality and ganging up on people, whether it was only 2 people or not, and there was no reason for it to happen here.

If people want to know more information, they'll ask for it or they'll look for it. That's what the Wikis are for. This is not a classroom, you aren't teachers, there is no lesson to be taught. Except this: Knock it off.

Convoy wrote:The real question is, where will Takara be putting the the metallic paint?

Heh. That seems to be their M.O. doesn't it? I'd imagine the gold parts on Rhinox should really stand out.

Convoy wrote:You guys got so far off topic.

The real question is, where will Takara be putting the the metallic paint?

Waspinator did have a green metallic sheen to him in both bot and bug modes. I could see them using it there.

I'm just hoping they paint the yellow circles on his shoulders (like I had to for my Telemocha version ) to be accurate to the show.

It would also be nice if his missile were black rather than clear, but that likely won't happen (but I gots me some paint ).