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Re: TakaraTomy Generations TG30 Waspinator & TG31 Rhinox Preorders Now Available

Postby Dead Metal » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:00 pm

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Oh god how horrible the toy actually looks like the character it's supposed to represent, holy crap how dare they! How DARE they make a show accurate toy, how DARE THEY!?

That's it guys, this is the last straw we should all rally together, start an angry mob and go murder the crap out of anyone we find working at Hasbro.
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Re: TakaraTomy Generations TG30 Waspinator & TG31 Rhinox Preorders Now Available

Postby empyre327 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:20 pm

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empyre327 wrote:I wish Rhinox was a Transmetal though.


Why? He was never Transmetal in the show.


He wasn't in the show - but he was released as a Transmetal toy. I just don't like the non-transmetal BW toys at all.
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Re: TakaraTomy Generations TG30 Waspinator & TG31 Rhinox Preorders Now Available

Postby xyl360 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:41 pm

Manterax Prime wrote:And already people are throwing away their money on overpriced figures when they don't even know what they look like. They could be nice. They could be crap.

I'll be getting the Hasbro versions.

Preorders on BBTS don't cost anything. Final pics will be out before they ship so any of us who have already preordered it will have ample time to back out if we see fit.

I've never backed out on such a preorder that I can recall, just because my assumption about the paint scheme/plastic colors being more to my liking have not failed me yet, but certainly if the final product ends up looking like crap next to the Hasbro version, you better believe I'll cancel that Takara preorder and get the Hasbro release instead. It's just that this hasn't happened to me so far with any figure that I can recall.

As for all the talk about the molds being similar, the reason is simple:

The show model in the CGI series was based on the toy but with some artistic license taken
The new toy is based somewhat on the CGI series (and obviously the comic, although I'd argue that the comic is primarily based on the CGI series, especially given the head, chest and other details) but uses modern design and engineering starting from the POV that it should look close to the CGI

It's a chicken egg thing, but this one has a solution. Since the toy came first, everything that followed was based on it. Since many of us fans liked the way the character(s) looked in the show better, we got things like Telemocha and 10th anniversary which had more show accurate paint schemes but little to no retooling to make them look more show accurate. This toy fixes that by being a completely new molded figure designed from the beginning to emulate the CGI show/comics.
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Re: TakaraTomy Generations TG30 Waspinator & TG31 Rhinox Preorders Now Available

Postby Metrosuplex » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:04 pm

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xyl360 wrote: but uses modern design and engineering starting from the POV that it should look close to the CGI

By "modern", do you mean hollowed out plastic, less metal parts, and smaller size? :roll:

xyl360 wrote:This toy fixes that by being a completely new molded figure designed from the beginning to emulate the CGI show/comics.


So it IS a new "mold"? I thought someone corrected me about that... :roll: Anyway, it's remarkably similar to the original, IMO. Except that... well, it will probably be smaller and use less plastic. Looks aces, to be sure, but I hope he isn't TOO small... :BANG_HEAD:
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That's it guys, this is the last straw we should all rally together, start an angry mob and go murder the crap out of anyone we find working at Hasbro.

I'll reserve judgment for the final product. These are pictures. Smoke and mirrors! 8)
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Re: TakaraTomy Generations TG30 Waspinator & TG31 Rhinox Preorders Now Available

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:24 pm

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Maybe a few visual examples might help clear up the matter.

Here is Prime First Edition Bumblebee on the left, and Prime Robots in Disguise Bumblebee in the right:
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Though they are both similar in appearances, they are separate molds.

Conversely, here is Prime Robots in Disguise Bumblebee on the left, and Prime Arms Micron Bumblebee on the right:
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These two are the same mold, but the Arms Micron version has been given new bumpy ports on its roof for the Arms Microns to attach to, and is therefore a "remold"/"retool".

For a more extensive example, here is Prime Robots in Disguise Bumblebee on the left, and Prime Beast Hunters Bumblebee on the right:
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Both the same mold, but the Beast Hunters one has been given an overhaul of new parts, being a much more extensive "remold"/"retool".


In Generations Waspinator's case, he falls into the same case as the first example.
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Re: TakaraTomy Generations TG30 Waspinator & TG31 Rhinox Preorders Now Available

Postby Metrosuplex » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:52 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Maybe a few visual examples might help clear up the matter.


Sabr, I sincerely appreciate the visual examples (and they speak volumes of your credibility), but you're fixating on the wrong point. My intention was never to argue about the definition of "mold" or "re-tool".

I'm simply stating the obvious: new Waspy is based strongly on old Waspy, and that's surprising, considering how far TF engineering has come in the last 17 YEARS. You can disagree with THIS statement, but so far, no one has actually made comment on the meat of my actual point. The word "re-tool" and "mold" is more interesting, for some reason.

Besides, BH BB is arguably a "new mold" as most of the parts are significantly changed, just as the new Waspy has a similar arrangement of parts, but slightly different shapes than old Waspy. Or maybe you're claiming it's about size: different size = new mold; same size and similar parts = re-tool. From a broad perspective, looking at the actual transformations (and assuming the new Waspy IS the same transformation), I would stretch the word "re-tool" and put it on new Waspy, in order to indicate that the old Waspy was slightly altered to create a new one (while basic engineering has remained the same).

But forget I said anything. It's astounding how much some of you guys care to argue the minutia details of what a term means in the universally exact sense, as though "mold" and "re-tool" are pre-human words that have exact definitions which are never open to interpretation. As I said before, I really don't care all that much, and I don't need opinionated corrections, as the visual "proof" itself IS open to some interpretation. Sort of like how some people will sell an opened product with all the included items/box and call it "new". I don't call that "new", but maybe you do. I'd love to argue about the word "new", but in reality, I'm far more likely to just shop with someone who agrees with my interpretation of "new." Meaning, "let's agree to disagree!" :lol:

And for the love of God, you will NOT find me ever using the word "re-tool" or "mold" again, as the inspired-ire/corrections is feeling rather unfriendly. :sad:
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Re: TakaraTomy Generations TG30 Waspinator & TG31 Rhinox Preorders Now Available

Postby xyl360 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:30 pm

Metrosuplex wrote:I'm simply stating the obvious: new Waspy is based strongly on old Waspy, and that's surprising, considering how far TF engineering has come in the last 17 YEARS. You can disagree with THIS statement, but so far, no one has actually made comment on the meat of my actual point. The word "re-tool" and "mold" is more interesting, for some reason.
I did comment on it, you simply ignored it. It is inspired by the show, which was inspired by the original toy, which is what accounts for the similarities. If it was too far off from the original version, it wouldn't look anything like he does on the show and therefore would not be an accurate representation of the character, which is what Beast Wars fans like me wanted. The same goes for Rhinox.
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Re: TakaraTomy Generations TG30 Waspinator & TG31 Rhinox Preorders Now Available

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:15 pm

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Metrosuplex wrote:I'm simply stating the obvious: new Waspy is based strongly on old Waspy, and that's surprising, considering how far TF engineering has come in the last 17 YEARS.
Ah, now I see.

But, why is this case surprising when things like the Masterpieces do the exact same thing (but in a larger size)?

Metrosuplex wrote:Besides, BH BB is arguably a "new mold" as most of the parts are significantly changed, just as the new Waspy has a similar arrangement of parts, but slightly different shapes than old Waspy.
Hasbro has admitted to taking the Prime RID Bumblebee and changing most (but not all) of its parts to create the Prime BH Bumblebee, whereas they took no parts from the 1996 Waspinator toy to make this new one.

They made this new one from scratch, using the old Beast Wars CG cartoon model as a reference (the 1996 toy did not use the CG model as a reference because that toy was made first, with the CG model being based on the toy, but modified).

Metrosuplex wrote:Or maybe you're claiming it's about size: different size = new mold; same size and similar parts = re-tool.
Nah, size ain't an issue here. :D

Metrosuplex wrote:From a broad perspective, looking at the actual transformations (and assuming the new Waspy IS the same transformation), I would stretch the word "re-tool" and put it on new Waspy, in order to indicate that the old Waspy was slightly altered to create a new one (while basic engineering has remained the same).
I'd imagine it would only have a similar (but not exactly the same) transformation. ;)

Metrosuplex wrote:But forget I said anything. It's astounding how much some of you guys care to argue the minutia details of what a term means in the universally exact sense, as though "mold" and "re-tool" are pre-human words that have exact definitions which are never open to interpretation.
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Re: TakaraTomy Generations TG30 Waspinator & TG31 Rhinox Preorders Now Available

Postby Convoy » Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:54 pm

You guys got so far off topic.

The real question is, where will Takara be putting the the metallic paint?
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Re: TakaraTomy Generations TG30 Waspinator & TG31 Rhinox Preorders Now Available

Postby Dead Metal » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:30 pm

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Convoy wrote:You guys got so far off topic.

The real question is, where will Takara be putting the the metallic paint?

I hope everywhere save for the beast parts.
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Re: TakaraTomy Generations TG30 Waspinator & TG31 Rhinox Preorders Now Available

Postby Autobot032 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:39 pm

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Convoy wrote:You guys got so far off topic.


You're right, they did. This thread got out of hand. In the future, and this goes for everyone, please don't single people out for a lack/inability of communication or a lack/inability of understanding or a difference of opinion, whatever the case may be. I don't like seeing what happened in this thread. I have never liked mob mentality and ganging up on people, whether it was only 2 people or not, and there was no reason for it to happen here.

If people want to know more information, they'll ask for it or they'll look for it. That's what the Wikis are for. This is not a classroom, you aren't teachers, there is no lesson to be taught. Except this: Knock it off.

Convoy wrote:The real question is, where will Takara be putting the the metallic paint?


Heh. That seems to be their M.O. doesn't it? I'd imagine the gold parts on Rhinox should really stand out.
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Re: TakaraTomy Generations TG30 Waspinator & TG31 Rhinox Preorders Now Available

Postby xyl360 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:04 pm

Convoy wrote:You guys got so far off topic.

The real question is, where will Takara be putting the the metallic paint?

Waspinator did have a green metallic sheen to him in both bot and bug modes. I could see them using it there.

I'm just hoping they paint the yellow circles on his shoulders (like I had to for my Telemocha version :P) to be accurate to the show.

It would also be nice if his missile were black rather than clear, but that likely won't happen (but I gots me some paint :P).
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