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revengeofstarscream wrote:

Name_Violation wrote:I'm actually debating if i wanna make more 6's or not. with out careful timing between me and RoS, i can end up losing xp by having nothin but empty high-end missions.

but I'll test the waters with a 7 in a bit. put it in a 1-11 mission with any luck.

If i generate enough xp, eventually the bots'll have more 5's, 6's and 7's

now to get the cons to make more medics

We should probably take this discussion to PM, but I am not yet convinced that moving to L7 now is a good idea for the reasons Burn and I mentioned previously. I typically sit on ideas like this for a little while before taking action.

Thinking about it...

my top 2 are due for a reset anyway, so i was just gonna screw around with excess points in int and stuff.

but i have been toying with a 7.5 mil level 7 build for hun-grr...

The problem with the top guy saying that "I'll have a weaker bot if I level up" is that, personally, I often wonder "Weaker compared to who?" There's not a whole lot of people all that close to him, and there's no one above him to beat this 'weaker bot.' I mean, you're 4 million over the next highest opponent, who is NV and is thinking of making a level 7. You're still going to be stronger than anyone remotely close to you.

Now, don't get me wrong. Level running isn't for everyone, and probably shouldn't be done for people who are just now going from 0 to one or 1 to 2, or even 2 to 3. In those cases, where there is a large part of the game above you, you're basically gonna get stomped bad. However, when you're at the top of the game, and there's no one above you, who are you afraid is going to be stronger than you? If you still have millions more XP to dump into upgrades, unless you're horrible at configuring your guys (which obviously you're not RoS), you're still going to be able to crush your opposition.

I just don't understand why people on top keep saying "I'm afraid to level up and be weaker" when there's no one to be weaker then. And this isn't a knock on RoS. He's certainly not the first to do it.

Absolute Zero wrote:The problem with the top guy saying that "I'll have a weaker bot if I level up" is that, personally, I often wonder "Weaker compared to who?" There's not a whole lot of people all that close to him, and there's no one above him to beat this 'weaker bot.' I mean, you're 4 million over the next highest opponent, who is NV and is thinking of making a level 7. You're still going to be stronger than anyone remotely close to you.

Now, don't get me wrong. Level running isn't for everyone, and probably shouldn't be done for people who are just now going from 0 to one or 1 to 2, or even 2 to 3. In those cases, where there is a large part of the game above you, you're basically gonna get stomped bad. However, when you're at the top of the game, and there's no one above you, who are you afraid is going to be stronger than you? If you still have millions more XP to dump into upgrades, unless you're horrible at configuring your guys (which obviously you're not RoS), you're still going to be able to crush your opposition.

I just don't understand why people on top keep saying "I'm afraid to level up and be weaker" when there's no one to be weaker then. And this isn't a knock on RoS. He's certainly not the first to do it.

http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... _id=235308

i made hun-grr a 7 and i'll do the same with swindle in like 10k xp.

this is just screwin around tho.

but i'm thinkin of playin with builds for a minute

I have a pretty good chance of making some XP there. If I can hit you and repair RoS, I should do real well. Congrats on being the first level 7.

Absolute Zero wrote:when you're at the top of the game, and there's no one above you, who are you afraid is going to be stronger than you?

The boogyman. That is who I am afraid of. He is going to get me if I level up too fast.

revengeofstarscream wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:when you're at the top of the game, and there's no one above you, who are you afraid is going to be stronger than you?

The boogyman. That is who I am afraid of. He is going to get me if I level up too fast.

I read that while eating. I choked on my toast. RoS is trying to kill me

And actually i may make swindle a lvl 7 tank. that could work...

revengeofstarscream wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:when you're at the top of the game, and there's no one above you, who are you afraid is going to be stronger than you?

The boogyman. That is who I am afraid of. He is going to get me if I level up too fast.

Don't worry. I'll protect you. ^_^ It's what heroes do.

Absolute Zero wrote:I have a pretty good chance of making some XP there. If I can hit you and repair RoS, I should do real well. Congrats on being the first level 7.

http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... r_id=83384

make that first 2 level 7's (not counting SPL)

and you didn't fair so well in that mission

I know! You dodged me and killed me! Jerk! ;_;

See AZ, this is what I am talking about. Hun-Grrr made it to L7 by investing in upgrades that do not give him any benefit. His skill and firepower stats do not help him at all in his current config. However, his opponent (e.g. Street Punk) only has upgrades that are useful. Hun-Grrr's higher level did not give him an advantage in this fight. Rather, the higher level gave his opponent a much greater reward.

New Game High Score: 15,164 xp


NV, I am not slighting you here. I realize you are just experimenting.

AZ, I do not see the benefit of rushing to a higher level by investing in stats that are not useful. What is the rush to level up? Sure, you produce more XP for your opponents. They, in turn, produce more XP for you. Everyone levels up faster. My response is: so what? Was SPL2 at L7 really any more exciting than SPL1 at L6? I would argue it was less so.

AZ, It would probably be best if you and I simply agree to disagree on this point.

-RoS

Ah, but you're missing the real point RoS. You just got a game high score, because he leveled up. He's experiementing, and his leveling up is benefiting you, and any autobot that manages to hit him. In the short term? Yeah, he's not going to be the top scorer in missions. In the long run? He has a head start on upgrades he's going to need anyway if he ever wants to go past level 6 or 7, and he's generating XP for us to level up, and gain XP faster.

Now, I know this is a foreign concept to you, but being selfless, and actually helping your opponent, not only helps the game, but helps you in the long run. N_V going to level 7 to generate XP for the bots, means stronger opponents for him. Our becoming stronger, means more of a challenge for the Cons in general, and means better back up for you. Now, as we level up, based on the XP we gain from hitting people, and those random big gains we make off him, speed up our leveling. As we go up, it gives more XP to the cons for hitting us. They become stronger, and better able to back up N_V. As they get stronger, we get more XP. In the end, it's better for the community.

However, as for your specific argument, in that you outscored him... well, that's to be expected, when you have 3 million more XP than him, and are a lower level. That's kinda like saying "I'm surprised the sun rose! It's only done it every day for the entirety of my life." It does not, however, say a whole lot for you, when someone with 3 million XP than your guy is willing to level up to 7, while you're all "People will be able to beat me. Boo hoo." I can promise you, you'll still be the top guy in the game, and you'll still be able to beat everyone else. *nod*

In the end, I can't force you to level up, any more than I can force you to stop coming across as a self centered person, or you can stop me from coming across as an over opinionated arsewipe. We are what we are. You made up you mind long ago that you simply couldn't level up. Hell, you complained about Ultra Magnus being forced to level up because he was over the level cap following the second round of the SPL. I made up my mind that there's no reason to not level up if you're the king. And you are the king of HMW right now, RoS. Undisputed heavy weight champion.

Hun-Grr is gonn end up gettin deleveled, but I kinda like Swindles build. Granted the 1 point of int is useless, but its not expensive enough to really matter. with the 2-6k xp average i make per mission, i can afford to splurge on stupid investments. its not a lot, and it wouldn't be doin anything else.

i wanna see high levels as soon as possible, so if i have to give away xp to let others level, then i will.

my concern comes down to the fact i'm losing access to the level 4-6 missions, so I wont have multiple opponents with my 7's. but so far (only a few missions) I havent seen any higher level missions generated. meaning theres the 5-7's, 6-9's, and the 1-11's available.

Name_Violation wrote:Hun-Grr is gonn end up gettin deleveled, but I kinda like Swindles build. Granted the 1 point of int is useless, but its not expensive enough to really matter. with the 2-6k xp average i make per mission, i can afford to splurge on stupid investments. its not a lot, and it wouldn't be doin anything else.

i wanna see high levels as soon as possible, so if i have to give away xp to let others level, then i will.

my concern comes down to the fact i'm losing access to the level 4-6 missions, so I wont have multiple opponents with my 7's. but so far (only a few missions) I havent seen any higher level missions generated. meaning theres the 5-7's, 6-9's, and the 1-11's available.

There's 6-9s? It does suck that the 7s don't get access to many cross missions with the rest of us, but it's nice to know that we have a big target for the 1-11 missions. I'll have to join those more often now though, instead of just relying on the 4-5 and 4-6 missions to provide the bulk of my XP.

I'm coming for you!

*edit* Just like here

there ARE 7-10

i kinda wish the 6-9 and 7-10 missions would go away. have 4-6, and 1-10. it may be a little unbalanced at first, but it'd level out

but unfortunately this thread has derailed harder than (culturally relevant train accident), and short of mod splitting this into an actual discussion we should probabbly go back to being boastful braggards

Name_Violation wrote:there ARE 7-10

i kinda wish the 6-9 and 7-10 missions would go away. have 4-6, and 1-10. it may be a little unbalanced at first, but it'd level out

but unfortunately this thread has derailed harder than (culturally relevant train accident), and short of mod splitting this into an actual discussion we should probabbly go back to being boastful braggards

I was bragging, cause I outscored you. Just because you won, and you outleveled me, doesn't make it less brag worthy... right? A mod'll pop up eventually that can split it.

As others level up, those 6-9s and 7-10s will be better pay out missions than the 1-11s are, just gotta be patient. I'll be there asap.

Name_Violation wrote:we should probabbly go back to being boastful braggards

I've seen Iron Man 2.

It was awesome.
And I COULD split this thread but I really don't see a need for it. Nothing wrong with a bit of chatter for once.

Burn wrote:

Name_Violation wrote:we should probabbly go back to being boastful braggards

I've seen Iron Man 2.

It was awesome.
And I COULD split this thread but I really don't see a need for it. Nothing wrong with a bit of chatter for once.

Nice to see some active posting on the forum for a change?

And FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU~! That came out today?! Son of a drop bear!

I still haven't broken 10k, but I did get a new personal best. http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... _id=235519

Thanks N_V. And thanks to Alldarker for pulling out the win. ^_^ Two level 5s, only way to beat a 7.

Absolute Zero wrote:Nice to see some active posting on the forum for a change?

Yep!

And FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU~! That came out today?! Son of a drop bear!

No, it came out last Thursday.

In Australia.

But not the US.

Not that i'm bragging ...

Absolute Zero wrote:

Name_Violation wrote:there ARE 7-10

i kinda wish the 6-9 and 7-10 missions would go away. have 4-6, and 1-10. it may be a little unbalanced at first, but it'd level out

but unfortunately this thread has derailed harder than (culturally relevant train accident), and short of mod splitting this into an actual discussion we should probabbly go back to being boastful braggards

I was bragging, cause I outscored you. Just because you won, and you outleveled me, doesn't make it less brag worthy... right? A mod'll pop up eventually that can split it.

As others level up, those 6-9s and 7-10s will be better pay out missions than the 1-11s are, just gotta be patient. I'll be there asap.

the problem is that means people are gonna have to be around for a long while to make 5+ characters. there are 29 level currently 2 lvl 7's, 7 lvl 6's, 29 lvl 5's, and 158 lvl 4's. so the main issue comes with losing acess to the level 4's. As it is RoS and I have to coordinate just right or we end up getting shafted for a few missions. I take a nap? he's stuk with no opponents in a 6-9 mission. He has (insert something important).. I lose out. When Mkall ever gets some power back it may be worth askin him to take out the top end missions for a lil while just so we can make xp feeders. or atleast tone down the wait time on some of the missions. some of the missions still have like a 30-40 minute join time. could be toned down imho

Burn wrote:

Name_Violation wrote:we should probabbly go back to being boastful braggards

I've seen Iron Man 2.

It was awesome.
And I COULD split this thread but I really don't see a need for it. Nothing wrong with a bit of chatter for once.

*grumble grumble grumble* fargin bastage

Cool, level 7's in the mix! I was surprised I was coming up second in missions where I was still scoring 6k-7k... And AZ, you welcome of course, 'grats on the personal best and you can ALWAYS count on my team to have your back.
I have to side with RoS in only levelling the most useful stats and having the main level come naturally, instead of forcing yourself up to a level which ends up being detrimental because the cheapest stats were also useless. Then again, I also see AZ's point (really, I do!) of a longer term benefit for everyone in the game: I certainly don't mind racking up more xp. It's really a question of giving priority to quantity or quality. Like the question: Would you rather do one hot chick or five ugly chicks...

Burn wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:Nice to see some active posting on the forum for a change?

Yep!

A little conflict of opinions will usually get some posts going. Now if we could just sustain it.

And FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU~! That came out today?! Son of a drop bear!

No, it came out last Thursday.

In Australia.

But not the US.

Not that i'm bragging ...

Eh. I'm patient. I can wait. Really. I can... I mean it...

Name_Violation wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:

Name_Violation wrote:there ARE 7-10

i kinda wish the 6-9 and 7-10 missions would go away. have 4-6, and 1-10. it may be a little unbalanced at first, but it'd level out

but unfortunately this thread has derailed harder than (culturally relevant train accident), and short of mod splitting this into an actual discussion we should probabbly go back to being boastful braggards

I was bragging, cause I outscored you. Just because you won, and you outleveled me, doesn't make it less brag worthy... right? A mod'll pop up eventually that can split it.

As others level up, those 6-9s and 7-10s will be better pay out missions than the 1-11s are, just gotta be patient. I'll be there asap.

the problem is that means people are gonna have to be around for a long while to make 5+ characters. there are 29 level currently 2 lvl 7's, 7 lvl 6's, 29 lvl 5's, and 158 lvl 4's. so the main issue comes with losing acess to the level 4's. As it is RoS and I have to coordinate just right or we end up getting shafted for a few missions. I take a nap? he's stuk with no opponents in a 6-9 mission. He has (insert something important).. I lose out. When Mkall ever gets some power back it may be worth askin him to take out the top end missions for a lil while just so we can make xp feeders. or atleast tone down the wait time on some of the missions. some of the missions still have like a 30-40 minute join time. could be toned down imho

I think the hope was more people would level faster. Honestly, there's probably a good half dozen characters that might make it to level 6 if they were configured to do so, but short of that, just gotta be patient. If I got active enough, I could probably make 6 in two months tops, but that doesn't help you in the short term.

It'd be awesome if Mkall got his access back, but I'd wager more people will hit 6 before that happens. Maybe if everyone got together and posted a big "Please give Mkall back his admin access for HMW" thread or mass ammount of PMs, but even that'd be iffy.

Actually I e-mailed Ryan asking if he could take a look at the control panel.

Giving Mkall access is just one person. The control panel is available to all HMW Mods* so we can work as a team and not rely on one person.
*Yeah I realise that seems to only be me these days. At least Psychout had the decency to keep us in the loop on why he wouldn't be around.

when it come to the "not spendin xp on useless upgrades" argument, i figure the cost of 3 upgrades to the 3 non rammer stats is about 2 million, or the cost of an upgrade or 2 to a primary stat at 6th-7th level. 9 stats, 2 million. and thats lookin at things the expensive way, depending on the build it can be done a lot cheaper. Energon isn't an issue, and the re-armoring time is a pain, but the main reasons we don't make level level opponents is because we're afraid of losing. Are we gonna max out single tactic alts at 54 million xp and be stuck at level 7? Or are we gonna blow some ranks in skill and Frp to make it to 7 at 14 or 19 million xp? or thin out and make a tank with 7 million, and still able to wipe up all the 5's and under?
My xp is limited by my opponents. So I need higher levels people to give higher xp so i can give higher xp, ect. WHat is the down side here?

Name_Violation wrote:the main reasons we don't make level level opponents is because we're afraid of losing.

Hey AZ, bet you miss the days when me and sprokitz were at the top and weren't afraid of getting our armour scratched by the lower levels.

Let me throw this out to N_V and RoS, i'm not attacking you over your playing styles, but don't you get bored of facing each other time and time again?

Don't you get bored having to get in contact and say "hey i'm about to deploy, how about you?"?

The whole purpose of cross level missions is for lower levels to earn more than their base xp and allow themselves to level up quicker thus creating more opponents/allies.

I remember before the reset, there was always some new Autobot commander coming along wanting to have a go at me and I readily obliged by grinding them into the ground.

But they never gave up.

I saw a group of 'Cons join the game around the same time. They rallied together and I watched over months as one particular player better known as "Redimus" rose quickly through the levels because he never played it safe and there were high level Autobots always willing to attempt to grind him down.

Because of all that there were plenty of rivallries, competition was fierce.

Now days ... it's a bottleneck.

To be perfectly honest, the move to level 7 was bad. The missions aren't in place, you'll lose, lower levels won't be able to leech off your xp and level up faster to provide variety.

But then on the flipside I may just be over thinking all of this, remembering the "good old days" and not accepting the simple fact that we don't have the committed player base we use to.

Seriously ... i'm frustrated, I have no idea what to do to revitalise this game that doesn't require coding. Anyone have any suggestions speak up. Otherwise there are times I just feel like giving up.

/end rant