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both in the series, animated movie and the live action one.
is prime a weak or strong fighter? when he's pited against megatron. but in a real battle, can prime withstand the torture and beating received by meg?

In most of the series, Megatron is much more powerful. Prime only survives because Megatron is either distracted, careless or is ganged up on by the Autobots.

Megatron is a Decepticon and therefore better equipped and programmed for battle. Autobots are peaceful and forced to fight and thus one would assume that the leader of the Decepticons would be more skilled in combat.

so in plain english, megatron can kick prime's mechanic ass
anytime and any day,

Go watch the end of "Heavy Metal War", Prime kicked Meg's arse hard.

It seems more like Optimus was distracted by even the other Autobots more so than Megatron. Optimus' death was caused by Hot Rod's interruption.

The last episode of armada was one of the best Prime/megs fight. Prime wins

See this is what irritated me about Transformers: Cybertron (I know, a lot of people hated that series anyway, but I thought it was cool so humour me for a moment)- Megatron, and in fact pretty much all the Decepticons were comically useless, 100% of the time (with two exceptions- Starscream's awesome ass-wupping of every single Autobot in one go, and Glavatron). It just annoys me that in every single combat situation in that cartoon, the Decepticons fire blindly and miss everything, and the Autobots manage to blast the Decepticons all to hell, even though the Decepticons are military!

This point will be moot to a lot of poeple who didn't like the series, but I just wanted to vent.

PS: Megatron is more powerful, but not necessarily a better fighter- he has a habit of running away as soon as things looking bad. Optimus has more tenacity and will keep trying even when the odds are against him, frequently turning situations around.

prime is better leader and fighter and thinker. He wouldn't have let Screamer get away with all nonsense he did on earth. He would have sent him back to Cybertron and put him in a nut house.

The only disadvantage with Optimus is his sense of honor and concern for all sentient beings.

In G1, both the comics and the cartoon, Prime seemed to be both more powerful and a better fighter. In later series, I think Megatron has been more powerful, especially when you consider Prime had to go to super-mode to even stand up to him in at least some of the Unicron trilogy toons. I didn't watch them all, so I'm certainly no authority there.
In the IDW-verse, it's hard to say. So far, Megatron has just demolished Prime, but Megs was powered-up with, what, Ore-13? So all things being equal, I don't think we know where they stand yet.

Megatron is both stronger and more skilled as a fighter. He has to be. If Prime were better the war would be over. He'd beat the holy terror out of Megs and scare everyone else straight. Prime wins because he has to. To stop the entire Decepticon army all he has to do is drop Megs. He's the underdog who wins by shear courage and willpower.

zodconvoy wrote:Megatron is both stronger and more skilled as a fighter. He has to be. If Prime were better the war would be over. He'd beat the holy terror out of Megs and scare everyone else straight. Prime wins because he has to. To stop the entire Decepticon army all he has to do is drop Megs. He's the underdog who wins by shear courage and willpower.

On the other hand, it could be said that he's at least equally as powerful, but that his ethics have held him back. In quite a few of the continuities he seems distracted by the plights of others during battle or unwilling to cause permanent damage. That is a major handicap right there.

In the new movie, however? He was getting completely creamed.

juushinkan wrote:On the other hand, it could be said that he's at least equally as powerful, but that his ethics have held him back. In quite a few of the continuities he seems distracted by the plights of others during battle or unwilling to cause permanent damage. That is a major handicap right there.

In the new movie, however? He was getting completely creamed.

Yes, I somehow missed the part of the question involving the movie. Prime was getting smacked around a good bit.

Despite my love for Optimus, I have to admit that Megatron is the more powerful and skilled fighter, simply because he doesn't hold back.

All the fights I've seen with Optimus and Megs, Optimus was either distracted by something, worried about others, or was holding back because of his his sense of honor.

Didn't Optimus hold his own against all the Dinobots in some G1 episode? Could Megatron ever do that? Of course not.

ZeroZero wrote:Didn't Optimus hold his own against all the Dinobots in some G1 episode? Could Megatron ever do that? Of course not.

Yes, but could Optimus hold his own against all the Seekers? Megs can, however Megs knows the seekers weaknesses as Optimus knows the dinobots weaknesses.

In terms of sheer brawn and strength, Megs is probably stronger. But in terms of overall fighting ability, Optimus is probably slightly better.

Just my opinion...

I think its pretty neck and neck with one getting the advantage (Megatron) by outside means.

Thanatos Prime wrote:Yes, but could Optimus hold his own against all the Seekers? Megs can, however Megs knows the seekers weaknesses as Optimus knows the dinobots weaknesses.

It varies. In one episode, he took down 3 of them in about 15 seconds. In another, a blast from Laserbeak took him down. But honestly, it does depend on which medium you're looking at. In the comics (possibly the UK ones?) Megatron flat-out knew he couldn't stand against a 'fighting-mad Prime.' In the cartoon, it generally seemed that Optimus was the superior fighter. In Dreamwave and IDW, I'm not sure who is the most powerful. In the RiD through Armada-verse era, it seemed as if Megatron was more powerful, sometimes by far.

Thanatos Prime wrote:

ZeroZero wrote:Didn't Optimus hold his own against all the Dinobots in some G1 episode? Could Megatron ever do that? Of course not.

Yes, but could Optimus hold his own against all the Seekers? Megs can, however Megs knows the seekers weaknesses as Optimus knows the dinobots weaknesses.

In terms of sheer brawn and strength, Megs is probably stronger. But in terms of overall fighting ability, Optimus is probably slightly better.

Just my opinion...

Well the cartoons were very inconsistant in Atlantis Arise Megatron fought Grimlock to a stand still. In Triple Takeover Megatron took on Starscream,Astrotrain,Blitzwing and Devastator and triumphed over all of them. In Heavy Metel War Dinobots got all their asses handed to them by Devastator all at once. And in the majority of the fights between Megatron and Prime in the Cartoon Prime managed to win most of them yet he was never able to defeat Devastator yet Megatron could go figure. Technically speaking Megatron should be the more powerfull fighter. Though only slightly.

Galaxion wrote:

Thanatos Prime wrote:

ZeroZero wrote:Didn't Optimus hold his own against all the Dinobots in some G1 episode? Could Megatron ever do that? Of course not.

Yes, but could Optimus hold his own against all the Seekers? Megs can, however Megs knows the seekers weaknesses as Optimus knows the dinobots weaknesses.

In terms of sheer brawn and strength, Megs is probably stronger. But in terms of overall fighting ability, Optimus is probably slightly better.

Just my opinion...

Well the cartoons were very inconsistant in Atlantis Arise Megatron fought Grimlock to a stand still. In Triple Takeover Megatron took on Starscream,Astrotrain,Blitzwing and Devastator and triumphed over all of them. In Heavy Metel War Dinobots got all their asses handed to them by Devastator all at once. And in the majority of the fights between Megatron and Prime in the Cartoon Prime managed to win most of them yet he was never able to defeat Devastator yet Megatron could go figure. Technically speaking Megatron should be the more powerfull fighter. Though only slightly.

WTF are you talking about?

Where in "Triple Takeover" did Megatron fight Devastator?

Also, "City of Steel" shows Prime dismembering Devastator in one blast of his cannon.

I think when Prime doesn't hold back he can win, like in the 1986 movie, You could hear the determination in his voice when he said, "Megatron must be stopped." He was fighting to kill, and would have done it had dumbass hotrod interfered.


and yes I recall in the dreamwave comics, superion failed to take out devastator, but prime defeated devastator, even though superion is obviously stronger. Just goes to show that power does not compensate for lack of skill.

When there's civilians to worry about, Megs pwnz j00.

When there's no innocent bystanders around and it's safe to cut loose on all cylinders, a winner is Prime.

I was always under the impression that both were equally matched.

Although I'm going mostly from the comics here.

Predaprince wrote:

Galaxion wrote:

Thanatos Prime wrote:

ZeroZero wrote:Didn't Optimus hold his own against all the Dinobots in some G1 episode? Could Megatron ever do that? Of course not.

Yes, but could Optimus hold his own against all the Seekers? Megs can, however Megs knows the seekers weaknesses as Optimus knows the dinobots weaknesses.

In terms of sheer brawn and strength, Megs is probably stronger. But in terms of overall fighting ability, Optimus is probably slightly better.

Just my opinion...

Well the cartoons were very inconsistant in Atlantis Arise Megatron fought Grimlock to a stand still. In Triple Takeover Megatron took on Starscream,Astrotrain,Blitzwing and Devastator and triumphed over all of them. In Heavy Metel War Dinobots got all their asses handed to them by Devastator all at once. And in the majority of the fights between Megatron and Prime in the Cartoon Prime managed to win most of them yet he was never able to defeat Devastator yet Megatron could go figure. Technically speaking Megatron should be the more powerfull fighter. Though only slightly.

WTF are you talking about?

Where in "Triple Takeover" did Megatron fight Devastator?

Also, "City of Steel" shows Prime dismembering Devastator in one blast of his cannon.

Well if you remember correctly at the end of Triple Take over Megatron, Starscream,Astrotrain,Blitzwing and Devastator were all battleing it out in the Football Stadium and even though most of the battle was off screen at the end it shows Megatron standing victoriously over the rest of the Decepticons including Devastator which leads one to believe that it was Megatron whom defeated them all including Devastator.

As far as Optimus defeating Devastator in the cartoon your right I stand corrected Optimus did indeed blast Devastator apart using radio control over his gun arm.

Galaxion wrote:Megatron standing victoriously over the rest of the Decepticons including Devastator which leads one to believe that it was Megatron whom defeated them all including Devastator.

Not necessarily since it was off-screen, it could have been that the other Decepticons all attacked Devastator at the same time and then went against each other afterwards, but there is no way to truly know what all happened.