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Sabrblade wrote:

ILL-Star wrote:but Ratchet has basically become the third most prominent Autobot in Transformers media.

Not true for this Ratchet. This Ratchet's a nobody, as far as his screentime in these movies go.

Not all Ratchet's are equal, lest you also consider the following Ratchet to be an important character:

He means in recent times Ratchet is the third most used Autobot besides Optimus and Bumblebee in tv shows, comics and game these days like for example.

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Sabrblade wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:He means in recent times Ratchet is the third most used Autobot besides Optimus and Bumblebee in tv shows, comics and game these days like for example.

I know what he means, and I'm saying that just because a character gets used doesn't always mean that their use makes them important.

Case in point, the movies had a Ratchet who was of little importance outside of two scenes: 1) Explaining Bumblebee vocal condition in the first movie, and 2) attaching Jetfire's parts onto Optimus in ROTF.

And helping Optimus retrieve Sentinel in DOTM. He also told the humans to mortar the space bridge. Which means there probably wouldn't have been as many explosions during Optimus's rage mode scene. Which would have disappointed me.

Sabrblade wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:He means in recent times Ratchet is the third most used Autobot besides Optimus and Bumblebee in tv shows, comics and game these days like for example.

I know what he means, and I'm saying that just because a character gets used doesn't always mean that their use makes them important.

Case in point, the movies had a Ratchet who was of little importance outside of two scenes: 1) Explaining Bumblebee vocal condition in the first movie, and 2) attaching Jetfire's parts onto Optimus in ROTF.

Yeah i agree with you in Rotf but the first movie had some good scenes with him and Dotm had a slightly bigger role for him kinda and he does somewhat act like a medic when him and prime go to the moon for sentinel and he explains Sentinel's levels are faint.

'A greater threat dawns'
It always does Optimus, it always does
Also Why does Ratchet always die in these trailers, is it the most interesting bit of the film or what?

ILL-Star wrote:I don't mean to exaggerate my feelings here, but I am a little sick over how they seem to be promoting the worst for Ratchet. I understand that they need to make room for more characters, but Ratchet has basically become the third most prominent Autobot in Transformers media. It really seems terrible that they'd do that to him. I'm anticipating the worst. But until we hear or see anything official regarding his fate, its still open.

He's toast. He was barely seen on set during filming as was completely absent during shooting for all the latter scenes of the movie, including the big finale. Plus there's no Ratchet toys outside of that one Kreon.

This really sucks. I had a very strong feeling that Ratchet was going to be sacrificed even before we saw any footage. I have a feeling Leadfoot is going to be taken out as well.

As for Ratchet's role in these movies, I remember hearing somewhere his toys didn't sell, so that's probably why he was reduced to background scenery for the next two installments.

I also hope Ratchet makes it out ok.

I hope ratchet survives after all he is their medic and if humans turn on . Why should prime care about them

If they really need to kill Ratchet off, they should let Galvatron deal the fatal blow. If human soldiers are able to kill character with unlimited amount of luck, then they should be conside as a some kind of reality warper's race.

TurboMMaster wrote:If they really need to kill Ratchet off, they should let Galvatron deal the fatal blow. If human soldiers are able to kill character with unlimited amount of luck, then they should be conside as a some kind of reality warper's race.

well ratchet doesnt exactly want to kill them as far as i can tell. so it really should be an easy kill for humans even though id rather him live. he really hasnt done much for me to want him to be killed. then again he hasnt really done much at all...

This is what I'm getting of the plot from the trailers so far

Here they are, the advertised 'viral' campaign products to support the release of the upcoming Transformers: Age of Extinction movie. This one in particular, uploaded to the TransformersAreDangerous.com website, focuses on the 'Fall of Chicago', the climax of Dark of the Moon, as reported by a number of fictional media outlets. Also found on the site are news clippings from international media about the Transformers on Earth, and downloadable posters, mirrored below. Check out the embedded clip, with a slightly longer look at Lockdown, too!

They keep saying "Transformers", but the Autobot/Decepticon divide was made pretty clear before (Like when the Decepticons demanded that all Autobots would leave the Earth). Also, what about the humans who collaborated with the Decepticons? Don't they get a mention?

bluecatcinema wrote:They keep saying "Transformers", but the Autobot/Decepticon divide was made pretty clear before (Like when the Decepticons demanded that all Autobots would leave the Earth). Also, what about the humans who collaborated with the Decepticons? Don't they get a mention?

That's what xenophobic rhetoric will bring you.

Isnt that Primes new look? How'd they manage to pull that off?

Va'al wrote:

bluecatcinema wrote:They keep saying "Transformers", but the Autobot/Decepticon divide was made pretty clear before (Like when the Decepticons demanded that all Autobots would leave the Earth). Also, what about the humans who collaborated with the Decepticons? Don't they get a mention?

That's what xenophobic rhetoric will bring you.

Yup. Sides mean nothing. All people see is a war was brought to their planet that all transformers are responsible for. Anyhow, they didn't leave earth and as a result Chicago was destroyed. I know, i Know...
"But if they would have left then Earth would have been enslaved."
But how may people bedsides Nest really knew that? To a majority of the world, the transformers just destroy everything they touch.

As far as the human collaborators go most (if not all) were killed by the decepticons already. So no need to mention them.

Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention that the previous films have shown the humans to possess weaponry that can kill Cybertronians. The humans soldiers are the bad guys in this movie, showing no mercy to the Autobots, wanting them all dead. If they're going after Ratchet, who evidently refuses to fight back, and get him cornered, they will not hesitate to be a ruthlessly swift in doing what they believe needs to be done. In that scenario of Ratchet vs. the humans, it's Ratchet who is a goner.

Most of transformers that died during Bay Movies didn't fight back, so it's not strong arument. And considering number of times Autobots were saved from certain death in this universe, I'm suprised that reality isn't going wild when Ratchet is cornered. Each Soldier fightning with Ratchet should beign hited by different thunder...

TurboMMaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention that the previous films have shown the humans to possess weaponry that can kill Cybertronians. The humans soldiers are the bad guys in this movie, showing no mercy to the Autobots, wanting them all dead. If they're going after Ratchet, who evidently refuses to fight back, and get him cornered, they will not hesitate to be a ruthlessly swift in doing what they believe needs to be done. In that scenario of Ratchet vs. the humans, it's Ratchet who is a goner.

Most of transformers that died during Bay Movies didn't fight back, so it's not strong arument. And considering number of times Autobots were saved from certain death in this universe, I'm suprised that reality isn't going wild when Ratchet is cornered. Each Soldier fightning with Ratchet should beign hited by different thunder...

Most of them don't fight back?

the hell you talking about?

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

TurboMMaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention that the previous films have shown the humans to possess weaponry that can kill Cybertronians. The humans soldiers are the bad guys in this movie, showing no mercy to the Autobots, wanting them all dead. If they're going after Ratchet, who evidently refuses to fight back, and get him cornered, they will not hesitate to be a ruthlessly swift in doing what they believe needs to be done. In that scenario of Ratchet vs. the humans, it's Ratchet who is a goner.

Most of transformers that died during Bay Movies didn't fight back, so it's not strong arument. And considering number of times Autobots were saved from certain death in this universe, I'm suprised that reality isn't going wild when Ratchet is cornered. Each Soldier fightning with Ratchet should beign hited by different thunder...

Most of them don't fight back?

the hell you talking about?

Yeah. different thunder?

I think it's sad but realistic for the humans to turn on the Autobots. People fear what they don't feel like they can control. They felt ok when they thought the Autobots needed them. But I bet when they pulled a fast one and didn't leave like they told them too, (In DOTM) they got sore. Yeah sure, that was a mistake, but people wanting to keep power don't admit mistakes.

But humans have shown an increasing ability to adapt, and would most likely have plenty of weapons to turn on an autobot. And when you're a good guy and a medic to boot, you don't want to fight back. Had they gone after Prime, he would have been able to take care of himself. But Ratchet is a medic. In war, that's a no-no but I don't think the humans are really concerned about that.

Did anyone call the number and "report alien activity?" What did it do?

SJ21 wrote:Did anyone call the number and "report alien activity?" What did it do?

SOUND EFFECT
MALE VOICE #1: "Citizens! Transformers are still among us. If we spot them, we can stop them. Press 1 to report a Transformers sighting. To find out more about how you can keep Earth human, visit transformersaredangerous.com"
MALE VOICE #2:"Your message may be recorded and used on our website. Thank you for reporting alien activity."
FEMALE VOICE #1:"Thank you. To return to the main menu, press 1."
FEMALE VOICE #2:"Thank you for calling. Goodbye."

And if you actually press 1, you get a tone, then it skips to the two female voices.