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Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:49 pm

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Remember when we found out that the Transformers: Prime Voyager Breakdown and Voyager Gaia Unicron would be TakaraTomy exclusive figures? Well it looks as though the Deluxe Jet Vehicon figure might be joining their ranks. The Jet Vehicon figure was recently released in Japan, and Allspark.com user Powered Convoy has both acquired one and taken a photo of the figure's copyright information. Much like the Breakdown figure, the Jet Vehicon figure only contains copyright info from Tomy, rather than from both Tomy and Hasbro like the other figures shared between the two.

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For comparison, here's Prime Voyager Breakdown's copyright information (also taken by Powered Convoy), which also lacks info from Hasbro.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:12 pm

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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby El Duque » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:16 pm

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Seibertron.com members daimchoc and Sabrblade bring us a couple of updates on Takra's recently released Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-16 Jet Vehicon

First, daimchoc has found a video review by YouTube member doubble80. Check out the embeds below.





Second, Sabrblade brings us some potentially unfortunate news by way of fellow fansite [url]the Allspark[/url]. It appears Jet Vehicon may be joining Breakdown and Gaia Unicron as Takara exclusives.

Sabrblade wrote:Remember when we found out that the Transformers: Prime Voyager Breakdown and Voyager Gaia Unicron would be TakaraTomy exclusive figures? Well it looks as though the Deluxe Jet Vehicon figure might be joining their ranks. The Jet Vehicon figure was recently released in Japan, and Allspark.com user Powered Convoy has both acquired one and taken a photo of the figure's copyright information. Much like the Breakdown figure, the Jet Vehicon figure only contains copyright info from Tomy, rather than from both Tomy and Hasbro like the other figures shared between the two.

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For comparison, here's Prime Voyager Breakdown's copyright information (also taken by Powered Convoy), which also lacks info from Hasbro.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby RAcast » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:15 am

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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:23 am

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I was expecting this, but I'm still pissed off. Are we ever getting any new figures? I'm honestly asking, because it looks like everything we don't have already we're just not getting.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby Megatron Wolf » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:30 am

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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby RAcast » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:31 am

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Evil_the_Nub wrote:I was expecting this, but I'm still pissed off. Are we ever getting any new figures? I'm honestly asking, because it looks like everything we don't have already we're just not getting.

It's not any particular lack of things, we get a grand majority...but the things we don't get are thing things we've been clamoring for! Seriously Hasbro... =_=
What Voyager do we want most? Breakdown! Do we get him? Proooobably not. We *might* get the Silas retool/redeco, which would be wonderful, but he'll be as he appears...whenever he appears again in the show (inhabited by Silas), which will feature a different chest/grill, head, and primarily black color scheme.
And the second now is Jet Vehicon. There's every reason to think it will sell (it's a freaking troop-builder for pete's sake), but apparently Hasbro didn't want to bother.

There's also Unicron, but I didn't really expect us to get it. Of course, I'm going to be quite annoyed if Unicron not only turns up again, but combines with Megatron/Optimus like he was in the initial images we saw.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby CBratetron » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:25 am

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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby gavinfuzzy » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:10 am

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Probably due to cost issues. Jet vehicon has the mass of PRID Vehicon, with added plastic for wings and stuff. Also, Unicron would not fit into any of hasbro's scale.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby craggy » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:46 am

gavinfuzzy wrote: Unicron would not fit into any of hasbro's scale.

Hmm...Just because it doesn't seem like there's ever any new ones out, I think Hasbro are still doing the Voyager scale.
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Postby Mykltron » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:58 am

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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby gavinfuzzy » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:27 am

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craggy wrote:
gavinfuzzy wrote: Unicron would not fit into any of hasbro's scale.

Hmm...Just because it doesn't seem like there's ever any new ones out, I think Hasbro are still doing the Voyager scale.


It's price point and size seems to be of the Ultra scale, but Hasbro's just too lazy to work it in. :lol:
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby GuyIncognito » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:55 am

Well, I'm tired of complaining about Hasbro. I already ordered Arms Micron Vehicon and Jet Vehicon, and I'm starting to realize I'm going to have to start importing more often as Hasbro seems to have no interest in bringing us the toys we want.
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Postby RhA » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:59 am

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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby Sodan-1 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:25 am

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Yet another troop building opportunity Hasbro would rather we didn't have. Hell, the one they did release is impossible to find. As far as I'm concerned the most official thing about Hasbro is that they suck. For every step forward they take four steps back. They had better blow us away with the 30th anniversary.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby worldsgreatest » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:28 am

I hate to be rude, but they've been telling us its a Japanese only release since it was first solicited! Personally I chose not to be Hasbr-optimistic and believed them.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby worldsgreatest » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:30 am

gavinfuzzy wrote:
craggy wrote:
gavinfuzzy wrote: Unicron would not fit into any of hasbro's scale.

Hmm...Just because it doesn't seem like there's ever any new ones out, I think Hasbro are still doing the Voyager scale.


It's price point and size seems to be of the Ultra scale, but Hasbro's just too lazy to work it in. :lol:



It does look bigger than a Voyager, but online retailers have him priced the same as Darkness Megatron and other AM Voyagers. I'm stoked for that figure.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby freaky777 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:33 am

worldsgreatest wrote:
gavinfuzzy wrote:
craggy wrote:
gavinfuzzy wrote: Unicron would not fit into any of hasbro's scale.

Hmm...Just because it doesn't seem like there's ever any new ones out, I think Hasbro are still doing the Voyager scale.


It's price point and size seems to be of the Ultra scale, but Hasbro's just too lazy to work it in. :lol:



It does look bigger than a Voyager, but online retailers have him priced the same as Darkness Megatron and other AM Voyagers. I'm stoked for that figure.


Normal AM Voyagers (SS, Breakdown, Bulkhead, etc.) are cheaper than both Darkness Megatron and Unicorn.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby Gearslide » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:34 am

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worldsgreatest wrote:
gavinfuzzy wrote:
craggy wrote:
gavinfuzzy wrote: Unicron would not fit into any of hasbro's scale.

Hmm...Just because it doesn't seem like there's ever any new ones out, I think Hasbro are still doing the Voyager scale.


It's price point and size seems to be of the Ultra scale, but Hasbro's just too lazy to work it in. :lol:



It does look bigger than a Voyager, but online retailers have him priced the same as Darkness Megatron and other AM Voyagers. I'm stoked for that figure.


Actually, only a few voyagers in TT's line have had that higher price point. Darkness Megatron, War Breakdown, and Gaia Unicron all have higher prices than other voyagers in the line (including Swerve and Breakdown Silas, who share the same mold with Breakdown). I guess Breakdown's higher cost is to offset initial use of the mold, and Darkness Megatron comes with two freaking huge Arms Microns. Unicron's cost might be because it uses a lot of plastic, hence a larger size.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:10 am

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Evil_the_Nub wrote:I was expecting this, but I'm still pissed off. Are we ever getting any new figures? I'm honestly asking, because it looks like everything we don't have already we're just not getting.
Well, let's have a look at what we are getting in 2012, and compare it to Japan.

In 2012, Hasbro is releasing/has released the following Prime toys.

RID Deluxe:
  • Bumblebee
  • Cliffjumper
  • Wheeljack
  • Soundwave
  • Arcee
  • Autobot Ratchet
  • Knock Out
  • Vehicon
  • Hot Shot
  • Dead End
  • Shadow Strike Bumblebee
  • Airachnid
  • Sergeant Kup
  • Decepticon Rumble
RID Voyager:
  • Optimus Prime
  • Megatron
  • Starscream
  • Bulkhead
  • Dreadwing
  • Thundertron
  • Ultra Magnus
  • Skyquake
RID Enetertainment Pack:
  • Bumblebee vs. Starscream
RID Weaponizers:
  • Optimus Prime
  • Bumblebee
Cyberverse Series 2 Legion class:
  • Bumblebee
  • Vehicon
  • Arcee
  • Autobot Ratchet
  • Cliffjumper
  • Breakdown
  • (DOTM) Soundwave
  • (DOTM) Mirage
  • (TF: The Ride) Evac
  • Flamewar
  • Hyperspeed Wheeljack
  • Quick Blade Bumblebee
  • Fallback
  • Tailgate
  • Knock Out
Cyberverse Series 2 Commander class:
  • Optimus Prime
  • Bulkhead
  • Starscream
  • Megatron
  • Dreadwing
  • Ironhide
  • Ultra Magnus
  • Nightwatch Optimus Prime
  • Skyquake
  • Battle Tactics Bulkhead
Cyberverse Series 2 Vehicles:
  • Energon Driller with Knock Out
  • Star Hammer with Wheeljack
  • Bumblebee with Battle Suit
Cyberverse Series 2 Playset:
  • Optimus Maximus
First Edition TRU exclusives:
  • Deluxe Arcee
  • Deluxe Starscream
  • Deluxe Terrorcon Cliffjumper
  • Deluxe Vehicon
  • Voyager Optimus Prime
  • Voyager Bulkhead
  • Entertainment Pack Optimus Prime vs. Megatron
Dark Energon BBTS exclusives:
  • Deluxe Bumblebee
  • Deluxe Wheeljack
  • Deluxe Knock Out
  • Deluxe Starscream
  • Voyager Megatron
  • Voyager Optimus Prime
SDCC exclusive:
  • "Rust in Reace" Terrorcon Cliffjumper



Conversely, TakaraTomy will be releasing/has released the following in 2012.

TF: Prime Arms Micron line:
  • AM-01 Optimus Prime (with M-01 O.P.)
  • AM-02 Bumblebee (with M-02 B.2)
  • AM-03 Cliffjumper (with M-03 C.L.)
  • AM-04 Ratchet (with M-04 R.A.)
  • AM-05 Megatron (with M-05 Gora)
  • AM-06 Skywarp (with M-06 Balo)
  • AM-07 Starscream (with M-07 Gul)
  • AM-08 Terrorcon Cliffjumper (with M-08 Jida)
  • AM-09 Soundwave (with Laserbeak and M-09 Zori)
  • AM-10 Bulkhead (with M-10 B.H.)
  • AM-11 Arcee (with M-11 Arc)
  • AM-12 War Breakdown (with M-12 Zamu)
  • AM-13 Medic Knock Out (with M-13 Gra)
  • AM-14 Decepticon Vehicon (with M-14 Noji)
  • AM-15 Megatron Darkness (with M-15 Gora II and M-16 Hades)
  • AM-16 Jet Vehicon (with M-17 Igu)
  • AM-17 Autobot Swerve (with M-21 S.W./Saw/Sou/whatever)
  • AM-18 Airachnid (with M-22 Ida)
  • AM-19 Gaia Unicron (with ?)
  • AM-20 Ironhide (with ?)
  • AM-21 Arms Master Optimus (with ?)
  • AM-22 Dreadwing (with ?)
  • AM-23 Wheeljack (with ?)
  • AM-24 Silas Breakdown (with ?)
  • AM-25 Nemesis Prime (with ?)
  • AM-26 Smokescreen (with ?)
  • AM-27 Ultra Magnus (with ?)
  • AM-28 Leo Prime (with ?)
  • AM-29 Shockwave (with ?)
AMW Series:
  • AMW-01 Gabu
  • AMW-02 Baru
  • AMW-03 Dai
  • AMW-04 C.L. GR
  • AMW-05 Balo G
  • AMW-06 Jida R
  • AMW-07 Pral
  • AMW-08 Sais
  • AMW-09 Jayz
  • AMW-10 ??? (redeco of Zori)
  • AMW-11 ???
  • AMW-12 ???
EZ Collection:
  • EZ-01 Optimus Prime
  • EZ-02 Megatron
  • EZ-03 Starscream
  • EZ-04 Bumblebee
  • EZ-05 Cliffjumper
  • EZ-06 Ratchet
  • EZ-07 Decepticon Vehicon
  • EZ-08 Bulkhead
  • EZ-09 Arcee
  • EZ-10 Spaceship Star Hammer & Wheeljack
  • EZ-11 Ironhide
  • EZ-12 Dreadwing
  • EZ-13 Autobot Evac
  • EZ-14 War Breakdown
  • EZ-15 Energon Driller & Medic Knock Out
  • EZ-16 Ultra Magnus
  • EZ-17 Optimus Maximus
  • EZ-18 Skyquake
Gacha Arms Microns:
  • Optimus Prime Blaster
  • Bumblebee Sword
  • Zad 1
  • Zad 2
  • Gob 1
  • Gob 2
  • Arcee Blade
  • Bulkhead Knuckle
  • Megatron Cannon
  • Dado 1
  • Dado 2
Exclusives:
    Autobot Firebolt Clear Yellow Ver.
    Vector Oracle
    Autobot Firebolt
    Pinpointer
    Shadow C.L.
    Shadow R.A.
    Shadow Gora
    Shadow Balo
    First Edition Shining Optimus Prime
    Shining B.2
    Shining O.P.
    Golden Optimus Prime (with Golden O.P.)
    Golden Hades
    Hellflame Gul
    Hellflame Jida
    Hellflame Noji
    Hellflame Zamu
    Terrorcon Bumblebee (with Terrorcon Zori)
    Battle Shield Optimus (with O.P. A, Pral G, Sais G and Jayz G)



Takara seems more into exclusive redecos and more Micron releases than new molds.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby worldsgreatest » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:19 am

All of the AM Voyagers were $59.99 up until the Swerve repaint on, and the first wave of deluxe AMs were $37.99 (pricing on subsequent waves dropped to $29.99 @ BBTS).

My point was in this line pricing seems kind of arbitrary, which means Unicron is just a regular Voyager size. Theoretically.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby xyl360 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:19 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:I was expecting this, but I'm still pissed off. Are we ever getting any new figures? I'm honestly asking, because it looks like everything we don't have already we're just not getting.
Well, let's have a look at what we are getting in 2012, and compare it to Japan.

In 2012, Hasbro is releasing/has released the following Prime toys.

RID Deluxe:
  • Bumblebee
  • Cliffjumper
  • Wheeljack
  • Soundwave
  • Arcee
  • Autobot Ratchet
  • Knock Out
  • Vehicon
  • Hot Shot
  • Dead End
  • Shadow Strike Bumblebee
  • Airachnid
  • Sergeant Kup
  • Decepticon Rumble
RID Voyager:
  • Optimus Prime
  • Megatron
  • Starscream
  • Bulkhead
  • Dreadwing
  • Thundertron
  • Ultra Magnus
  • Skyquake
RID Enetertainment Pack:
  • Bumblebee vs. Starscream
RID Weaponizers:
  • Optimus Prime
  • Bumblebee
Cyberverse Series 2 Legion class:
  • Bumblebee
  • Vehicon
  • Arcee
  • Autobot Ratchet
  • Cliffjumper
  • Breakdown
  • (DOTM) Soundwave
  • (DOTM) Mirage
  • (TF: The Ride) Evac
  • Flamewar
  • Hyperspeed Wheeljack
  • Quick Blade Bumblebee
  • Fallback
  • Tailgate
  • Knock Out
Cyberverse Series 2 Commander class:
  • Optimus Prime
  • Bulkhead
  • Starscream
  • Megatron
  • Dreadwing
  • Ironhide
  • Ultra Magnus
  • Nightwatch Optimus Prime
  • Skyquake
  • Battle Tactics Bulkhead
Cyberverse Series 2 Vehicles:
  • Energon Driller with Knock Out
  • Star Hammer with Wheeljack
  • Bumblebee with Battle Suit
Cyberverse Series 2 Playset:
  • Optimus Maximus
First Edition TRU exclusives:
  • Deluxe Arcee
  • Deluxe Starscream
  • Deluxe Terrorcon Cliffjumper
  • Deluxe Vehicon
  • Voyager Optimus Prime
  • Voyager Bulkhead
  • Entertainment Pack Optimus Prime vs. Megatron
Dark Energon BBTS exclusives:
  • Deluxe Bumblebee
  • Deluxe Wheeljack
  • Deluxe Knock Out
  • Deluxe Starscream
  • Voyager Megatron
  • Voyager Optimus Prime




Conversely, TakaraTomy will be releasing/has released the following in 2012.

TF: Prime Arms Micron line:
  • AM-01 Optimus Prime (with M-01 O.P.)
  • AM-02 Bumblebee (with M-02 B.2)
  • AM-03 Cliffjumper (with M-03 C.L.)
  • AM-04 Ratchet (with M-04 R.A.)
  • AM-05 Megatron (with M-05 Gora)
  • AM-06 Skywarp (with M-06 Balo)
  • AM-07 Starscream (with M-07 Gul)
  • AM-08 Terrorcon Cliffjumper (with M-08 Jida)
  • AM-09 Soundwave (with Laserbeak and M-09 Zori)
  • AM-10 Bulkhead (with M-10 B.H.)
  • AM-11 Arcee (with M-11 Arc)
  • AM-12 War Breakdown (with M-12 Zamu)
  • AM-13 Medic Knock Out (with M-13 Gra)
  • AM-14 Decepticon Vehicon (with M-14 Noji)
  • AM-15 Megatron Darkness (with M-15 Gora II and M-16 Hades)
  • AM-16 Jet Vehicon (with M-17 Igu)
  • AM-17 Autobot Swerve (with M-21 S.W./Saw/Sou/whatever)
  • AM-18 Airachnid (with M-22 Ida)
  • AM-19 Gaia Unicron (with ?)
  • AM-20 Ironhide (with ?)
  • AM-21 Arms Master Optimus (with ?)
  • AM-22 Dreadwing (with ?)
  • AM-23 Wheeljack (with ?)
  • AM-24 Silas Breakdown (with ?)
  • AM-25 Nemesis Prime (with ?)
  • AM-26 Smokescreen (with ?)
  • AM-27 Ultra Magnus (with ?)
  • AM-28 Leo Prime (with ?)
  • AM-29 Shockwave (with ?)
AMW Series:
  • AMW-01 Gabu
  • AMW-02 Baru
  • AMW-03 Dai
  • AMW-04 C.L. GR
  • AMW-05 Balo G
  • AMW-06 Jida R
  • AMW-07 Pral
  • AMW-08 Sais
  • AMW-09 Jayz
  • AMW-10 ??? (redeco of Zori)
  • AMW-11 ???
  • AMW-12 ???
EZ Collection:
  • EZ-01 Optimus Prime
  • EZ-02 Megatron
  • EZ-03 Starscream
  • EZ-04 Bumblebee
  • EZ-05 Cliffjumper
  • EZ-06 Ratchet
  • EZ-07 Decepticon Vehicon
  • EZ-08 Bulkhead
  • EZ-09 Arcee
  • EZ-10 Spaceship Star Hammer & Wheeljack
  • EZ-11 Ironhide
  • EZ-12 Dreadwing
  • EZ-13 Autobot Evac
  • EZ-14 War Breakdown
  • EZ-15 Energon Driller & Medic Knock Out
  • EZ-16 Ultra Magnus
  • EZ-17 Optimus Maximus
  • EZ-18 Skyquake
Gacha Arms Microns:
  • Optimus Prime Blaster
  • Bumblebee Sword
  • Zad 1
  • Zad 2
  • Gob 1
  • Gob 2
  • Arcee Blade
  • Bulkhead Knuckle
  • Megatron Cannon
  • Dado 1
  • Dado 2
Exclusives:
    Autobot Firebolt Clear Yellow Ver.
    Vector Oracle
    Autobot Firebolt
    Pinpointer
    Shadow C.L.
    Shadow R.A.
    Shadow Gora
    Shadow Balo
    First Edition Shining Optimus Prime
    Shining B.2
    Shining O.P.
    Golden Optimus Prime (with Golden O.P.)
    Golden Hades
    Hellflame Gul
    Hellflame Jida
    Hellflame Noji
    Hellflame Zamu
    Terrorcon Bumblebee (with Terrorcon Zori)
    Battle Shield Optimus (with O.P. A, Pral G, Sais G and Jayz G)



Takara seems more into exclusive redecos and more Micron releases than new molds.

I didn't think Hasbro released the FE Vehicon did they? Or are they only going to release it now that they're re-releasing the FE's and that's what you were referring to?
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby Hypershock » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:19 am

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do the other toys that have had american releases actually say hasbro as well?
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:35 am

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xyl360 wrote:I didn't think Hasbro released the FE Vehicon did they? Or are they only going to release it now that they're re-releasing the FE's and that's what you were referring to?
At SDCC, the FE Vehicon was shown among the seven FEs that are coming to TRU later this year. Notice that I omitted Bumblebee and Cliffjumper since they aren't a part of the 2012 release of the FEs? 2011 only had three Deluxe FEs come to TRU, but 2012 will have all of them minus BB and CJ.
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Re: TF: Prime Jet Vehicon likely another Japan-only figure

Postby RAcast » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:37 am

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xyl360 wrote:I didn't think Hasbro released the FE Vehicon did they? Or are they only going to release it now that they're re-releasing the FE's and that's what you were referring to?
At SDCC, the FE Vehicon was shown among the seven FEs that are coming to TRU later this year. Notice that I omitted Bumblebee and Cliffjumper since they aren't a part of the 2012 release of the FEs? 2011 only had three Deluxe FEs come to TRU, but 2012 will have all of them minus BB and CJ.

And plus Terrorjumper. :) I'm really hoping to be able to pick him up.
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