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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby gothsaurus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:14 pm

AMEN to that! Wasting 3/4 of the film on human characters misses the mark to me. Any humans should be like a sprinkle of paprika on the bowl of Transformers chili. The characters are so rich, interesting, cool, bad@$$, backstabbing... and a couple are downright relatable and cute like ole talking Bumblebee. I'd love a fully CGI, minimized human character franchise. Goodness knows they aren't selling a line of little cute human toys, right?
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby ILL-Star » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:18 pm

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gothsaurus wrote:All things considered, I'm not sure if the market could stand ANOTHER wave of 25 more virtually identical Bumblebees. What's the count after all three movies? Anyone religiously buying those things and keeping count?
Surely there is someone, somewhere who has nothing but every single Bumblebee there has ever been. And whoever they are God bless them. As for who the main villain might be. I wouldn't be surprised if its someone like Onslaught or a character who's never held a true leadership role over all Decepticons.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Sandy-Prime » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:19 pm

Glad to hear he won't be directing another one. Come on Bay, we'll let you have this one last Hoorah as long as you make it good! Give us character, not just one-liners, tone down all the military "action-man" crap, give us the Transformers how it should be!

By new designs I hope they make them simpler and more solid. Not necessarily G1 block style, but just so we can comprehend what's going on and there aren't million of pieces of robot flying off left right and centre like they're all made of glass or something. Simpler designs would be less expensive to animate and therefore the characters can have more screen time and some actual dialogue with one and other.

Anyway here's just wishful thinking for now... :BOT:
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Sodan-1 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:20 pm

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gothsaurus wrote:I wonder if that's "some redesign" like we've seen in the last movies... or something drastic for the entire line. Honestly, I'd love for them to stick with the general aesthetic and designs as much as possible... so I can skip this line, too... and stick with Classics, FOC, Masterpiece, Japan PowerCore, etc.

What he said. Except for the Japan PowerCore and FoC anyway. Seems odd Bay starting a new chapter in the Transformers movies and then handing it off to someone else.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby gothsaurus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:30 pm

Hmm. on the villain notion, another hard hitter we haven't seen yet is Galvatron. I'm putting my money there. Sadly, while it would be amazing to see in 'live action'... getting a Unicron storyline would be kind-of an anticlimax to me. Not sure why.

Any other big baddies from the past you guys could throw into the hat?
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Burn » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:41 pm

Sandy-Prime wrote:Glad to hear he won't be directing another one. Come on Bay, we'll let you have this one last Hoorah as long as you make it good! Give us character, not just one-liners, tone down all the military "action-man" crap, give us the Transformers how it should be!


That's something you should be telling the writer(s) not the guy who takes the script and works with the bulk of it.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby gothsaurus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:58 pm

I think most of us here are just venting. Not hoping or expecting any action to be taken.... ie. I don't think Bay - or any of the movie crew - are listening to the fans at this point... or up at night crying and fretting over what people are saying on the threads.

As for me, I'm just here to hear a couple guys answer back... "yeah, that was pretty far off from my childhood memories, or what I'd have wanted out of a TF movie." Hearing that helps ME sleep at night. Ha.

But again, for a general robot, blow-em-up, explosions, action movie.... fantastic movies!!!... but looking at it all with ANY hindsight of the past 25 years, they're missing the mark.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby #Sideways# » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:58 pm

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Has anyone considered that "Completely new cast" means new Transformers as well? Think about it: Peter Cullen and Frank Welker were cast as well.

This may be going to the 1986 movie and FLIPPING KILL OPTIMUS and bring in Rodimus and friends while making Unicron a cloud. (Cookies to those who know that reference)

Hm. A new cast... Perhaps Daniel Witwicky? Hanging out with the even MORE annoying Wheelie?
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby gothsaurus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:09 pm

AIGH! Don't give them any ideas!!! LOL. Wheelie goes back in time to hang out with G1 Wheelie! Yeah!
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Drift082111 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:17 pm

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I wish someone would make a Transformers Prime movie. Transformers in my opinion should be presented in an animated format. That way, they will always be able to appeal to a distinct demographic (kids) and we the collectors can furthur benefit from even more figures. :D I only have a handful of the movieverse figures. They just don't compare to the other lines.

Also, I appreciate what the movies did for the longevity of our favorite robots, but the characters or more fleshed out in the cartoons.

With all that said, I will be a hypocrite as I will watch this upcoming film as well as purchasing the Blu-Ray. :oops:
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby craggy » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:19 pm

Is Bay's vision so universally loved and integral to the success of Transformers that he has to "set it up for the next guy"? Couldn't they just hire a good director who'll set things up fine on his own?

edit: since we're speculating villains, they could use Thunderwing, or Bludgeon (honestly, as silly as he is, Bludgeon would make as much sense as anything in the films so far, and possibly be pretty cool) or maybe Scorponok has been training like Rocky since the first film and gonna come back all badass?
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby gothsaurus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:36 pm

Yeah, I have to say... while I know there were scads of little kids scrambling for those movie toys... I can count on my fingers the ones I bought... from ALL THREE films. Deliberate purchases from the Hasbro main line include Prime and Arcee... (because they somehow convinced me she's somehow a female, in spite of the toy giving no indications of such. They could have called her a MerMan and the toy would have been as on-target.)

I was sure I'd picked up some other Hasbro movie bots, but looking through the list, I know I skipped Megs, Ironhide, Barricade, Ratchet... and only wound up with a Bumblebee because of that multi-pack with three different 'generations' of Bumblebee.

I think bottom line, less screen time and character development - Jazz and Wheeljack come to mind - just don't leave you connected to the characters, and ultimately THAT is what makes me go to the store and buy them. Likable, developed, epic, personable, human, distinct characters... with bios, strengths, weaknesses, traits.....

Okay, that and great designs :-D What about you guys. How much do the characters personalities and voices come into play for your jumping in and buying an entire line? Or is it just the toys and gimmicks?
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:07 pm

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Couple of things..

1.-Having a new cast can mean Tf or humans for all we know. I'm open to both.

2.-I'm going to laugh my ass off if Bay does a complete 180, does a complete change around with characters and there screen time and gives the fans everything they've ever wanted in a TF film,...
And then the next guy completely ruins it for the "fans" and everyone now see's just how bad it really can get. :HEADHURTS: :P
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby orangeitis » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:20 pm

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#Sideways# wrote:This may be going to the 1986 movie and FLIPPING KILL OPTIMUS and bring in Rodimus and friends while making Unicron a cloud. (Cookies to those who know that reference)
Why the smurf would Unicron be a cloud?
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Menasor75 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:33 pm

"...redesign of the robots..."

Does this mean the new toys will be even SMALLER than the Dark of the Moon toys? LOL, I could not resist...

I don't mind if the original human cast goes bye-bye, but I would like to see the core group of Autobot remain the same. I am not sure what Decepticon characters will face the Autobots, as there I believe there were no Decepticons left after Dark of the Moon.

I would LOVE to see part of the movie shot on Cybetron, as well as the Dinobots. And most importantly, there should be LESS emphasis on human characters, and MORE emphasis on the Transformers.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby RodimusMaximus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:40 pm

@#Sideways#
I know what you mean about the cloud. Bringing in Rodimus and Co. would be an interesting idea.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby RodimusMaximus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:40 pm

@#Sideways#
I know what you mean about the cloud. Bringing in Rodimus and Co. would be an interesting idea.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Noideaforaname » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:29 pm

orangeitis wrote:Why the smurf would Unicron be a cloud?

It happened to a certain other planet eater:
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby kaxblastard » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:28 pm

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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby T-Macksimus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:57 pm

Doesn't matter who is at the helm, this is going to suck giant Dinobot bearings! Nothing any director could do at this point could possibly match or improve upon what the franchise was left with and making the attempt will just be a mess. They need to walk away from it like I've said a thousand times already. They are going to screw up a good thing over simple greed and f*** the fans right up the exhaust pipe in the process. :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Burn » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:29 pm

T-Macksimus wrote:Doesn't matter who is at the helm, this is going to suck giant Dinobot bearings! Nothing any director could do at this point could possibly match or improve upon what the franchise was left with and making the attempt will just be a mess. They need to walk away from it like I've said a thousand times already. They are going to screw up a good thing over simple greed and f*** the fans right up the exhaust pipe in the process. :BANG_HEAD:


But as a fan I enjoyed them, despite their flaws, why would they be doing dirty things to my exhaust pipe? Image
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby gothsaurus » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:09 am

If and when they do another movie, maybe they could bring in some other characters to royally botch up... maybe a Grimlock with a country accent, and some gangsta talking insecticons with lots of tentacles... and a really punk, sass talking "I'm not gonna do what you say, dad" Hot Rod who somehow over the course of the film grows up and gains the respect of Optimus Prime.

Yeah, so when this happens... just saying, you heard it here first. Called it.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby paul053 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:43 am

How many times did he say it's his last?
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Noideaforaname » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:30 am

If memory serves, Bay said something to the effect of
RotF: "I'm making a third, but I'll be taking a little break so I can do some personal projects."
DotM: "This is my last one, I have some personal projects to get to." *kills all the Decepticons to underline his point*
TF4: "This is really my last one. Really."


gothsaurus wrote:If and when they do another movie, maybe they could bring in some other characters to royally botch up... maybe a Grimlock with a country accent, and some gangsta talking insecticons with lots of tentacles... and a really punk, sass talking "I'm not gonna do what you say, dad" Hot Rod who somehow over the course of the film grows up and gains the respect of Optimus Prime.

Yeah, so when this happens... just saying, you heard it here first. Called it.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, character development? In a Michael Bay movie?!
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby BATTOUSAIXD » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:38 pm

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I'm all for another one. Too bad most of my favorite characters are dead though.
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