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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby craggy » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:19 pm

Is Bay's vision so universally loved and integral to the success of Transformers that he has to "set it up for the next guy"? Couldn't they just hire a good director who'll set things up fine on his own?

edit: since we're speculating villains, they could use Thunderwing, or Bludgeon (honestly, as silly as he is, Bludgeon would make as much sense as anything in the films so far, and possibly be pretty cool) or maybe Scorponok has been training like Rocky since the first film and gonna come back all badass?
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby gothsaurus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:36 pm

Yeah, I have to say... while I know there were scads of little kids scrambling for those movie toys... I can count on my fingers the ones I bought... from ALL THREE films. Deliberate purchases from the Hasbro main line include Prime and Arcee... (because they somehow convinced me she's somehow a female, in spite of the toy giving no indications of such. They could have called her a MerMan and the toy would have been as on-target.)

I was sure I'd picked up some other Hasbro movie bots, but looking through the list, I know I skipped Megs, Ironhide, Barricade, Ratchet... and only wound up with a Bumblebee because of that multi-pack with three different 'generations' of Bumblebee.

I think bottom line, less screen time and character development - Jazz and Wheeljack come to mind - just don't leave you connected to the characters, and ultimately THAT is what makes me go to the store and buy them. Likable, developed, epic, personable, human, distinct characters... with bios, strengths, weaknesses, traits.....

Okay, that and great designs :-D What about you guys. How much do the characters personalities and voices come into play for your jumping in and buying an entire line? Or is it just the toys and gimmicks?
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:07 pm

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Couple of things..

1.-Having a new cast can mean Tf or humans for all we know. I'm open to both.

2.-I'm going to laugh my ass off if Bay does a complete 180, does a complete change around with characters and there screen time and gives the fans everything they've ever wanted in a TF film,...
And then the next guy completely ruins it for the "fans" and everyone now see's just how bad it really can get. :HEADHURTS: :P
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby orangeitis » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:20 pm

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#Sideways# wrote:This may be going to the 1986 movie and FLIPPING KILL OPTIMUS and bring in Rodimus and friends while making Unicron a cloud. (Cookies to those who know that reference)
Why the smurf would Unicron be a cloud?
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Menasor75 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:33 pm

"...redesign of the robots..."

Does this mean the new toys will be even SMALLER than the Dark of the Moon toys? LOL, I could not resist...

I don't mind if the original human cast goes bye-bye, but I would like to see the core group of Autobot remain the same. I am not sure what Decepticon characters will face the Autobots, as there I believe there were no Decepticons left after Dark of the Moon.

I would LOVE to see part of the movie shot on Cybetron, as well as the Dinobots. And most importantly, there should be LESS emphasis on human characters, and MORE emphasis on the Transformers.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby RodimusMaximus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:40 pm

@#Sideways#
I know what you mean about the cloud. Bringing in Rodimus and Co. would be an interesting idea.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby RodimusMaximus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:40 pm

@#Sideways#
I know what you mean about the cloud. Bringing in Rodimus and Co. would be an interesting idea.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Noideaforaname » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:29 pm

orangeitis wrote:Why the smurf would Unicron be a cloud?

It happened to a certain other planet eater:
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby kaxblastard » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:28 pm

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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby T-Macksimus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:57 pm

Doesn't matter who is at the helm, this is going to suck giant Dinobot bearings! Nothing any director could do at this point could possibly match or improve upon what the franchise was left with and making the attempt will just be a mess. They need to walk away from it like I've said a thousand times already. They are going to screw up a good thing over simple greed and f*** the fans right up the exhaust pipe in the process. :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Burn » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:29 pm

T-Macksimus wrote:Doesn't matter who is at the helm, this is going to suck giant Dinobot bearings! Nothing any director could do at this point could possibly match or improve upon what the franchise was left with and making the attempt will just be a mess. They need to walk away from it like I've said a thousand times already. They are going to screw up a good thing over simple greed and f*** the fans right up the exhaust pipe in the process. :BANG_HEAD:


But as a fan I enjoyed them, despite their flaws, why would they be doing dirty things to my exhaust pipe? Image
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby gothsaurus » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:09 am

If and when they do another movie, maybe they could bring in some other characters to royally botch up... maybe a Grimlock with a country accent, and some gangsta talking insecticons with lots of tentacles... and a really punk, sass talking "I'm not gonna do what you say, dad" Hot Rod who somehow over the course of the film grows up and gains the respect of Optimus Prime.

Yeah, so when this happens... just saying, you heard it here first. Called it.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby paul053 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:43 am

How many times did he say it's his last?
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Noideaforaname » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:30 am

If memory serves, Bay said something to the effect of
RotF: "I'm making a third, but I'll be taking a little break so I can do some personal projects."
DotM: "This is my last one, I have some personal projects to get to." *kills all the Decepticons to underline his point*
TF4: "This is really my last one. Really."


gothsaurus wrote:If and when they do another movie, maybe they could bring in some other characters to royally botch up... maybe a Grimlock with a country accent, and some gangsta talking insecticons with lots of tentacles... and a really punk, sass talking "I'm not gonna do what you say, dad" Hot Rod who somehow over the course of the film grows up and gains the respect of Optimus Prime.

Yeah, so when this happens... just saying, you heard it here first. Called it.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, character development? In a Michael Bay movie?!
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby BATTOUSAIXD » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:38 pm

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I'm all for another one. Too bad most of my favorite characters are dead though.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby OptiMagnus » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:00 pm

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T-Macksimus wrote:Doesn't matter who is at the helm, this is going to suck giant Dinobot bearings! Nothing any director could do at this point could possibly match or improve upon what the franchise was left with and making the attempt will just be a mess. They need to walk away from it like I've said a thousand times already. They are going to screw up a good thing over simple greed and f*** the fans right up the exhaust pipe in the process. :BANG_HEAD:


But as a fan I enjoyed them, despite their flaws, why would they be doing dirty things to my exhaust pipe? Image

Obviously you're not a true fan, so your opinion doesn't count as anything. :P

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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby ReDPATH » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:20 pm

The more I think about the first 3 movies.

The more it makes sense that Bay really should have put his ego aside and just went in as a producer along with Spielberg of a live action tv show with the same cast say on HBO or another premium network with other directors filling the shoes for the show.

I mean...they could have probably pulled it off with reasonable effects.

- Season 1 roughly being 6-10 episodes about the Bots arrival to earth, finding Megatron
- Season 2 being about the Fallens' arrival, Megatrons subsequent resurrection
- Season 3 could have been about Cybertron/Sentinel and the eventual Chicago war in the finale

At the very least. If the 3 movies were stretched out into a tv show. There would have been more time to develop the saga and the time spent on Sam/Mikeala/Government wouldn't have been as taxing as it was on the movies.

That

Or Bay could surprise everyone and make a different 4th movie that probably won't satisfy the masses in return revenue but in turn might end up being a better movie in comparison to 86 or even the balanced 07 movie IMO.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby TulioDude » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:20 pm

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I would love to see more movies. :BOT:
I wonder if ti will be changes like what happened to Optimus and Bumblebee in TF3 or if they are change everyone completely.I just hope they dont change too much,because they have some very cool designs and would be sad to forget them.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:21 pm

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As long as the designs aren't too drastically different and Peter Cullen is still Optimus I'll be happy.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby SlyTF1 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:56 pm

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ReDPATH wrote:The more I think about the first 3 movies.

The more it makes sense that Bay really should have put his ego aside and just went in as a producer along with Spielberg of a live action tv show with the same cast say on HBO or another premium network with other directors filling the shoes for the show.

I mean...they could have probably pulled it off with reasonable effects.

- Season 1 roughly being 6-10 episodes about the Bots arrival to earth, finding Megatron
- Season 2 being about the Fallens' arrival, Megatrons subsequent resurrection
- Season 3 could have been about Cybertron/Sentinel and the eventual Chicago war in the finale

At the very least. If the 3 movies were stretched out into a tv show. There would have been more time to develop the saga and the time spent on Sam/Mikeala/Government wouldn't have been as taxing as it was on the movies.

That

Or Bay could surprise everyone and make a different 4th movie that probably won't satisfy the masses in return revenue but in turn might end up being a better movie in comparison to 86 or even the balanced 07 movie IMO.



I was just thinking this as I was watching DOTM a few minutes ago! It would have been a cool idea to make the movies into a live action TV show.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby gothsaurus » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:51 am

Yeah, Cullen needs to stay on team... and I'd actually LOVE it if they brought on Welker as well. They have a great banter. Sounds epic together. They're both legends.

Like I've said before, the movies were so different, I wouldn't have watched OR bought them if Cullen weren't voicing Prime. If he isn't asked back, deal me out.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby Capt.Failure » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:15 pm

I will sum up my reactions via bullet points and emotes:

Bay leaving: * :-(

Redesigns: :???:

New Cast: :DANCE:


*Note: He said this last time, so I'm taking it with an atom of salt at this point.
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby orangeitis » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:42 pm

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It would be nice if TF 4 would be in an Aligned universe. >:oP
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby TulioDude » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:40 pm

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I though to bring this topic again after reading an interresting though.
I was seeing the official Michael bay Forums and one of the user asked what Michael and Spielberg meant by change of direction and the awnser was an interresting comparssion.
They compared the Harry Potter movies change of direction,mostly between the second and third movies.I though i really was a good example of diferent feel of the same universe,the way characters dress,the soundtrack,the color pallete.

Thoughs?
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Re: TF4: Last Transformers Film for Bay, Redesigns, and New Cast

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:27 am

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TulioDude wrote:I though to bring this topic again after reading an interresting though.
I was seeing the official Michael bay Forums and one of the user asked what Michael and Spielberg meant by change of direction and the awnser was an interresting comparssion.
They compared the Harry Potter movies change of direction,mostly between the second and third movies.I though i really was a good example of diferent feel of the same universe,the way characters dress,the soundtrack,the color pallete.

Thoughs?


I have no idea, since I never wasted my time with any of those movies, but it sounds like it could be a good idea. Just so long as we get the same amount of explosions (if not, more) as the last three. That would be good.

The thing I'm thinking of would the the Batman Animated Series where at some point the whole freaking art direction changed. I'm not sure why, all I know is that it did and things got a bit different. That's what I'm thinking TF4 is starting to sound like.
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