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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Interesting conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy theory? What are you talking about? There's no conspiracy here at all. Its called a business model. The point is to cash in as much profit as possible. Crazydevy set the precedence for the Devastator upgrade idea. All TFC did was build their own figure and then apply somebody else's idea to make more money off of it. Its really not that much of a stretch really. Certainly not enough to be a conspiracy. If you don't think this was TFC's plan all along then explain how pics of the prototypes are released so soon after the last of the figures shipped. Collector's have had their hands on the full Herc set for what, a few weeks? And upgrades are getting ready to roll out already. Seriously....as I said before, thats just naive.

GetRightRobot wrote:Ah...somebody sounds upset! Well Joe, it's like this: My money, my decision.

Upset at what exactly? I didn't spend a dime on Hercules. High prices, QC issues, or expensive upgrades have no impact on me whatsoever. I have nothing to be upset about. If anything, you should be upset not me. Ebay is already full of these figures for cheaper than the $99 +shipping original price. If I really wanted it, I could probably get it cheaper than most here who preordered it simply because I waited. I don't really want it though so again, no real impact on me. Sure, its your money. And I didn't make any suggestions to you on how to spend it. I simply pointed out the "collector behavior" that I find both amusing and embarrassing at the same time.

GetRightRobot wrote:Besides, who goes out and buys the Cadillac of Devastators and doesn't throw some D's on it? Necessary? Of course not, but non of this hobby is NECESSARY

Yeah exactly. And thats what TFC was thinking too. I don't know why my line of thinking is being called a conspiracy theory when you pretty much just summed it up. Spending upwards of $900 for the whole set is hard for people to handle. But in smaller doses, its easier to manage. One figure at time and then the upgrades and soon TFC has half on an entire paycheck. TFC hasn't gotten the purple mixing drum out there yet so don't be surprised if there is a second upgrade set coming later for you to throw your D's on.

The QC issues belie any big "plan" where TFC is taking advantage of collector mentality. At some point they probably saw the list of things people wanted out of their Devestator (and the stuff made at TFW) and just said "fine, let's go and do that". The entire design of Herc goes against the idea that they planned these add-ons from the start. Unline everything else, these add-ons don't seem to "integrate" anywhere on Herc in even a marginal respect, like the hands. As-is Herc is a 100% complete figure.

But it's not like they're the first company to make add-ons for their own figure. That honor goes to Fansprojects, I believe, where they made missiles and a gun for City Commander well after the initial release of their trailer.

Ya know what ruins the new head ???

Why does it need to be so square like the old one ??? shave off the top corners to make the proper shape. Then maybe ill pass on the Crazydevy.

joesaysso wrote:Upset at what exactly? I didn't spend a dime on Hercules.

Too bad, he is freaking awesome!

GetRightRobot wrote:Besides, who goes out and buys the Cadillac of Devastators and doesn't throw some D's on it? Necessary? Of course not, but non of this hobby is NECESSARY

joesaysso wrote:Yeah exactly. And thats what TFC was thinking too. ...don't be surprised if there is a second upgrade set coming later for you to throw your D's on.

Cadillac does not make aftermarket rims.
But me upset? AHAHAHHAHAHAAAAA! With this?


You have to be kidding!

joesaysso wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Interesting conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy theory? What are you talking about? There's no conspiracy here at all. Its called a business model... as I said before, thats just naive.

GetRightRobot wrote:Ah...somebody sounds upset! Well Joe, it's like this: My money, my decision.

Upset at what exactly? I didn't spend a dime on Hercules. High prices, QC issues, or expensive upgrades have no impact on me whatsoever. I have nothing to be upset about. If anything, you should be upset not me... Sure, its your money. And I didn't make any suggestions to you on how to spend it. I simply pointed out the "collector behavior" that I find both amusing and embarrassing at the same time.

GetRightRobot wrote:Besides, who goes out and buys the Cadillac of Devastators and doesn't throw some D's on it? Necessary? Of course not, but non of this hobby is NECESSARY

Yeah exactly. And thats what TFC was thinking too. I don't know why my line of thinking is being called a conspiracy theory when you pretty much just summed it up... TFC hasn't gotten the purple mixing drum out there yet so don't be surprised if there is a second upgrade set coming later for you to throw your D's on.

Joe - the issue people are taking with your comments is you sound smug and condescending, and imply that we're all idiots. Is it naive to think TFC wasn't thinking about this relatively early on? Perhaps. I personally think the argument that the QC issues preclude the possibility of this kit being planned isn't an effective one, because those were unexpected problems post-production. True, it doesn't mean TFC wasn't planning on releasing a kit like this, especially knowing that this would help TFC steal MakeToys' market share. However, your "embarassment" at the actions of your fellow fans and collectors really rubs a lot of us the wrong way.

Here's thought for everyone. If it was a $20 figure in every store in the US, I'm guessing there would be less.... negativity. I realize it's expensive. But I can afford it, and it is awesome. I mean, compared to the turd on the left side of this picture, atleast x6 better = x6 more expensive. The math adds up. What upgrade could possibly save the ROTF Devy? Other than gasoline and a match?

Don't like, don't buy. Hercules is perfectly fine as he is. It's not like he needs these to be complete. He has a gun, he has forearms, he has a head. However, this is nice for those who want a more G1 and less IDW appearance.

GetRightRobot wrote:Here's thought for everyone. If it was a $20 figure in every store in the US, I'm guessing there would be less.... negativity. I realize it's expensive. But I can afford it, and it is awesome. I mean, compared to the turd on the left side of this picture, atleast x6 better = x6 more expensive. The math adds up. What upgrade could possibly save the ROTF Devy? Other than gasoline and a match?

True that GetRightRobot - if you can afford it, chances are you're enjoying it. I know I am! Also, kudos on the Custom Dinobots. They rocked!

Fun thread topic: Think of creative ways to 'Devastate' ROTF Devastator!

My ideas include:
1. Sledgehammer (or 'Office Space' style destruction)
2. Trash Compacter (aka Shredder's death)
3. Drop from the top of a tall mountain

GetRightRobot wrote:What upgrade could possibly save the ROTF Devy? Other than gasoline and a match?

Didn't CrazyDevy do a wrecking ball set for it? That.

On the topic at hand, I didn't post this when this news first broke because I didn't want to be "that asshøle" but this completely torpedoes the "total integration" this they were claiming.

I am so excited to have both G1 and G2 Devastators from Maketoys for about the same price as a "complete" Hercules! I am still, that "that asshøle"!

zodconvoy wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:What upgrade could possibly save the ROTF Devy? Other than gasoline and a match?

Didn't CrazyDevy do a wrecking ball set for it? That.

On the topic at hand, I didn't post this when this news first broke because I didn't want to be "that asshøle" but this completely torpedoes the "total integration" this they were claiming.

I am so excited to have both G1 and G2 Devastators from Maketoys for about the same price as a "complete" Hercules! I am still, that "that asshøle"!

You're not the A man. Actually, your spoiler covered comment brings up an excellent point. As far as the total integration.... moot point for me. Even if I had the room to display them in vehicle mode (where the integration part comes into play) I wouldn't. Now with the Maketoys suppose you could....if you had 2 sets.....