Like others said, the dinos were already dead. Megatron, Dinobot, and Terrorsaur scanned fossils.Rated X wrote:Beast Wars references to G1 are very vauge. Most notably you have the Ark back the age of the Dinosaurs before they awoke.
He took it form the Covenant of Primus, naming himself after the great conqueror named "Megatron" as described within its datatracks.Rated X wrote:No explanation is offered on why Megatron shares the name of his Predacessor,
1. Primal was named after Prime.Rated X wrote:If Optimus Primal is related to the line of Primes after Ginrai,
They explicitly referred to the "Great Upgrade" as being an energy conservation measure in the conversion from Autobot to Maximal. Iacon was abandoned and new cities like Cybertropolis were built higher up on the planet's surface.Rated X wrote:or why the Beast Wars robots are so small next to the ark robots if they came from the same "Cybertron". Did Cybertron shrink in it's 2nd golden era ?
Some postulate that Starscream made his BW appearance chronologically prior to his two G1 ghost episodes, between TF: The Movie and "Starscream's Ghost".Rated X wrote:Then you have Starscreams ghost. (Even though Unicron gave Starscream his body back in G1 and wasnt a ghost anymore)
Rated X wrote:I only watched the series once and cant remember any other vauge refrences to G1.
Regardless, the final product trumps authorial intent.Rated X wrote:To me it seems like the writers wrote G1 into the story later on in the series to appease G1 fans who wernt buying into the beast era. But it doesnr seem to be something they intended to do from the beginning in my honest opinion.
So you took pieces of other continuities to suit your own continuity, and then discarded the rest of the other continuities that you didn't need, yes? Well, that's exactly what Hasbro's done with the Aligned Continuity. They "aligned" bits and pieces, elements of existing continuities, while discarding the stuff that they didn't need, to make their Aligned continuity. What you've done only differs in specifics, but the concept itself is identical.Rated X wrote:Like I said, I just erased the other continuities and re-purposed the figures as generic G1 characters. Unlike Hasbro, I didnt allign anything.
Sabrblade wrote:1. Primal was named after Prime.Rated X wrote:If Optimus Primal is related to the line of Primes after Ginrai,
2. Ginrai is not a Prime.
3. Ginrai is Japanese continuity. He doesn't exist in any American continuity. And since you so blatantly treat the G1 cartoon as Numero Uno, G1 cartoon Optimus Prime became a Powermaster at some point after "The Rebirth", further illustrating Ginrai's lack of existence there.
Henry921 wrote:I may wait until after the deadline and just roll the dice on the 2014 figure. Not impressed with this one.
But I do want to keep reading Beast Wars: Shattered Glass, so I am going to subscribe...
The original toy bios were written before the show was conceived and have nothing to do with the show. The show changed several things from how the toy bios were written, and thus the original toy bios are not canon to the cartoon.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Correcting you right there.
1) Toy bio says that Optimus Primal is Optimus Prime. But this being the cartoon chat, you are right even though it is not confirmed if he chose the name "Optimus" or was simply given the name. Because in Japanese continuity, he was given it... As it is both a name and a rank within the Cybertron faction.
Not all Primes are Convoys and not all Convoys are Primes. And Ginrai was never given the title of "Convoy" despite his being given the Supreme Commander rank. No Supreme Commander after Rodimus Convoy (aside from Convoy himself after resurrection) got the title in the G1 era.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:2) Technically both correct and incorrect. Incorrect because the body used was meant for Convoy and the manga hinted at the notion that he might have been the reincarnation of Convoy. Correct because Ginrai Convoy sounds like a Japanese country music singer name, not a Transformer.
When I said "Ginrai doesn't exist", I meant specifically the human trucker-turned-Godmaster character, who has never appeared in any American fiction.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:3) 100% incorrect. When Hasbro established "Commemorative Series II" Powermaster Optimus Prime (with Apex Armor), they established that Ginrai was his Nebulan partner. TFwiki, however, says Hi-Q. But both Shmax and Wikipedia says Ginrai. So while it was Hi-Q in the Marvel continuity, and unknown in the post-Rebirth continuity, the name Ginrai has been established within the toy portion of the continuity.
Sabrblade wrote:The original toy bios were written before the show was conceived and have nothing to do with the show. The show changed several things from how the toy bios were written, and thus the original toy bios are not canon to the cartoon.
Sabrblade wrote:Also, I wasn't talking about the Japanese continuity at all in this point, so it's needless to bring it up in this point.
Sabrblade wrote:Not all Primes are Convoys and not all Convoys are Primes. And Ginrai was never given the title of "Convoy" despite his being given the Supreme Commander rank. No Supreme Commander after Rodimus Convoy (aside from Convoy himself after resurrection) got the title in the G1 era.
Sabrblade wrote:The "Ginrai" you're thinking of is the Nebulan scientist Hi-Q. The reason his Commerative Series II toy was named "Ginrai" was because, at the time, Dreamwave had given Hi-Q that name in their "More Than Meets the Eye" profile books. Hi-Q is simply named "Ginrai" in the Dreamwave continuity, but he is not the same guy as the Masterforce character and I was speaking of "Ginrai the character" not "Ginrai the name".
I was talking about the show character and nothing else. Cartoon Optimus Primal as a character was named after G1 Optimus Prime. That's all I was saying.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:However, your own words is that "Prime is named after Prime" and not "Optimus either was named after, or chosen the name of, Optimus. And that he only obtained the name "Prime" when he allowed his spark to merge with Optimus' spark." And that both the name and reason behind their chance meeting was said to be tied to the original Optimus Primal's bio. Something, while not obviously cartoon canon, does help further validate the point you were trying to make.
So yeah... You can say whatever you want, it is not the complete fact.
Robot Masters? Why bring that up when that wasn't related to what I was talking about?KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Let me make this clear - I don't care. Why? Because this subject was brought up in Robot Masters. As in further proof that you are correct, and even Takara treated both series as part of the same timeline/continuity.
In the case of Ginrai, however, he wasn't a Convoy. He was a Supreme Commander, but not a Convoy. That's all I was saying.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Really. You mean the fact that I have a complete listing of every Supreme Commander, Convoy, and Prime on my laptop means that I do not know that? Oh wait... You made a huge error in your response! Because all knowledgeable fans know that the use of "Convoy" was not a title or rank until the beginning of Takara's Beast Era. The use of Convoy in Takara's fiction was due to the fusion of Hot Rodimus and Convoy. This was based on the fact that Hasbro fused the two characters with the use of the Matrix, hence why he went from being Hot Rod to Rodimus Prime.
The Dreamwave stuff still existed. It's not like it was just erased from reality. IDW even reprinted the "More Than Meets the Eye" books in trade form, in which Hi-Q is named Ginrai and is a different guy from the Ginrai I was talking about.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:And when it comes to Hasbro, IDW, and the copyright laws, you are wrong on both accounts. My point is valid, as it is based on whatever and however the hell Hasbro treats both Ginrai and Hi-Q. And seeing how they no longer seem to consider DW's work valid... You can say whatever you like, but it does not mean that it is the final say.
Oh right, yeah, there's Depth Charge.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Now with you being corrected, I am hoping to hear from those who can stay on this topic, as I am more interested in those who like the figure... Not those who need to put their pride before the topic (ala 2012).
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:1) I was giving you a hard time. However, you do need to tone down the "human encyclopedia" aspect as it makes you come off as Longrack. As you put too much emphasis on what you feel is the valid truth. Tone it down, and listen to others. Because in the end, you can either be the "helpful guy to new fans" or the "prideful member who can go too far." Past experience, dude. So just ease up and enjoy what others tell you.
2) Remember that dismissing people will have them dismiss you. We admire your passion for the franchise, but you need to allow yourself to be educated on the things others know. Because you may actually learn something you did not realize was there until you hear it from another. (Trust me, this is how I became a published writer.)
3) Eat a Snickers. You aren't you when you are hungry, and you come off as the type of person who should write down your own insight in either a blog or in some other style. I used to do it last year until things got messy here. But I am going back to doing that in hopes of getting some work within the franchise with TOMY.
Oh... And while you are enjoying the chance to get Depthcharge, feel free to realize that I was giving you a hard time... And that I came to this site for fun, not stress. That, and I am passing this piece because I think I know what may be in store for Generations 2013, and hope for an ALL SPARK toyline.
Burn wrote:I'd just like to say one thing here.
Pot .. kettle .. black.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I see Sabrblade having the same publication-enriched future that I had. The only difference being that if he sought it out, and eased up on the "human encyclopedia" aspect in favor of just knowing his potential friends... He can become the next Hydra.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Burn wrote:I'd just like to say one thing here.
Pot .. kettle .. black.
Ew.RhA wrote:Sabrebladimus Prime?
You kidding? This mold is perfect for him. That headsculpt just works so well for him, the trident calls back to his original toy's sword/javelin tail weapon, and the overall body shape matches the shape of Depth Charge's pre-Earth body.Bowspearer wrote:Poor mould choice for him imho. The robot mode has been made to work, but they really needed a mould which had an alt mode which either worked as a sub or as a spacecraft. This doesn't really work as either.