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Dead Metal wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:But yea Gurren Lagann's a pretty cool robot parody anime.

Robot Parody? I thought it was unique...

Dude, it parodies everything from Gundam to Transformers and it's not the first to do that.

Any references you can point out? (Besides the headmaster?)

BeastProwl wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:But yea Gurren Lagann's a pretty cool robot parody anime.

Robot Parody? I thought it was unique...

Dude, it parodies everything from Gundam to Transformers and it's not the first to do that.

Any references you can point out? (Besides the headmaster?)

Gunmen = Gundam is the most obvious.
Gunbuster, just google that and take a look at the images you'll see what I mean.

I noticed one or two TF references when I watched it but can't point them out to you.

Then there is Viral's Gunman who looks a hell of a lot like the bots from Neon Genesis.

Dead Metal wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:But yea Gurren Lagann's a pretty cool robot parody anime.

Robot Parody? I thought it was unique...

Dude, it parodies everything from Gundam to Transformers and it's not the first to do that.

A few cameos here and there but no, it isn't. Cameo =/= parody. You're thinking of Megas XLR. Yes, it started as a parody of the Super Robot genre, but by Episode 8 it walked right past parody into the genuine article.

Shadowman wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:But yea Gurren Lagann's a pretty cool robot parody anime.

Robot Parody? I thought it was unique...

Dude, it parodies everything from Gundam to Transformers and it's not the first to do that.

A few cameos here and there but no, it isn't. Cameo =/= parody. You're thinking of Megas XLR. Yes, it started as a parody of the Super Robot genre, but by Episode 8 it walked right past parody into the genuine article.

It ended as a parody too, the whole end fight with the sheer ridiculousness and had a very "Oh look, this is what happens in these kinds of shows" feel to it. Just because it was serious at times doesn't make it less of a parody. It even included a time jump as a joke of "ha, remember how you somehow manage to miss a few super important episodes with shows like this and feel left out?"

Dead Metal wrote:It ended as a parody too, the whole end fight with the sheer ridiculousness and had a very "Oh look, this is what happens in these kinds of shows" feel to it. Just because it was serious at times doesn't make it less of a parody.

Just because it was over-the-top doesn't make it a parody.

Dead Metal wrote:It even included a time jump as a joke of "ha, remember how you somehow manage to miss a few super important episodes with shows like this and feel left out?"

What? Time-skips aren't a form of parody, tons of shows use them. Gundam 00 and Gundam AGE both did it twice each, and Gundam is a staple of giant robot fiction.

You made a pretty bad call with this one.

Time skips happen alot. Naruto, Dragonball, 666Satan, Gurren Lagann, Gundam. Time skips wouldn't be a parody even in a parody cartoon. They just happen when nothing happens during that time(skip). Even if something did happen, there's like a flashback to it. Like how Jiraiya tells people how Naruto almost killed him turning into the fox.

Shadowman wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:It ended as a parody too, the whole end fight with the sheer ridiculousness and had a very "Oh look, this is what happens in these kinds of shows" feel to it. Just because it was serious at times doesn't make it less of a parody.

Just because it was over-the-top doesn't make it a parody.

Dead Metal wrote:It even included a time jump as a joke of "ha, remember how you somehow manage to miss a few super important episodes with shows like this and feel left out?"

What? Time-skips aren't a form of parody, tons of shows use them. Gundam 00 and Gundam AGE both did it twice each, and Gundam is a staple of giant robot fiction.

You made a pretty bad call with this one.

Yes of course because time skips usually happen in the middle of a multi-part story ark just to return in the middle of another multi part storyline.

Dead Metal wrote:Yes of course because time skips usually happen in the middle of a multi-part story ark just to return in the middle of another multi part storyline.

Um...the time skip happened between story arcs. Team Dai-Gurren defeats Lordgenome, then it skips ahead seven years for the Anti-Spiral story arc. I think you actually just missed an episode.

Shadowman wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Yes of course because time skips usually happen in the middle of a multi-part story ark just to return in the middle of another multi part storyline.

Um...the time skip happened between story arcs. Team Dai-Gurren defeats Lordgenome, then it skips ahead seven years for the Anti-Spiral story arc. I think you actually just missed an episode.

Nope, I'm talking about the first time skip, the one that happens after Lord Genome teases Virol with the origin of the Beast men and what humans are.
The next episode takes place a month later on the 7th day of the battle against lord Genome.
Check episodes 13 and then 14, then tell me I missed an episode.

Dead Metal wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Yes of course because time skips usually happen in the middle of a multi-part story ark just to return in the middle of another multi part storyline.

Um...the time skip happened between story arcs. Team Dai-Gurren defeats Lordgenome, then it skips ahead seven years for the Anti-Spiral story arc. I think you actually just missed an episode.

Nope, I'm talking about the first time skip, the one that happens after Lord Genome teases Virol with the origin of the Beast men and what humans are.
The next episode takes place a month later on the 7th day of the battle against lord Genome.
Check episodes 13 and then 14, then tell me I missed an episode.

Well, you're right about there being another time skip, it's a been a couple years since I watched the show. But there's no real break in the story, and the viewer is never left hanging on what happened, like you're saying. "It's Day 6 of the battle, we're here, bad guys are there. Good to go? Good to go."

Oh, and it's day six, not seven.

So you're still dead wrong about it being a parody. And no amount of arguing is going to change that, in fact, it's just making you look sillier.

Unless you want to start calling Gundam 00 a parody, they did literally the exact same thing.

Shadowman wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Yes of course because time skips usually happen in the middle of a multi-part story ark just to return in the middle of another multi part storyline.

Um...the time skip happened between story arcs. Team Dai-Gurren defeats Lordgenome, then it skips ahead seven years for the Anti-Spiral story arc. I think you actually just missed an episode.

Nope, I'm talking about the first time skip, the one that happens after Lord Genome teases Virol with the origin of the Beast men and what humans are.
The next episode takes place a month later on the 7th day of the battle against lord Genome.
Check episodes 13 and then 14, then tell me I missed an episode.

Well, you're right about there being another time skip, it's a been a couple years since I watched the show. But there's no real break in the story, and the viewer is never left hanging on what happened, like you're saying. "It's Day 6 of the battle, we're here, bad guys are there. Good to go? Good to go."

Oh, and it's day six, not seven.

So you're still dead wrong about it being a parody. And no amount of arguing is going to change that, in fact, it's just making you look sillier.

Unless you want to start calling Gundam 00 a parody, they did literally the exact same thing.

So what if it's day six, at least I remembered it happened unlike you.

You should maybe rewatch the show to refresh your memory of it and then come back and say it's not a fun parody of the genre.
Because as it stands this is just another instance of you barging in on something only grasping half of what's going on and still thinking you can talk about something, like all those other times you comment on one of my posts because one line in it somehow managed to offend you in such a way that you completely ignore everything else about it and the rest of the discussion and then look like a complete and utter tool.

Remember duke Nukem Forever, Megatron in ROTF or me not caring for Star Wars?

Woah woah woah... What makes you think Gurren Lagann was a parody?

Wigglez wrote:Woah woah woah... What makes you think Gurren Lagann was a parody?

Not a parody of anything specific, more a broad parody of the genre and pretty much everything in it made me believe it was.

Dead Metal wrote:

Wigglez wrote:Woah woah woah... What makes you think Gurren Lagann was a parody?

Not a parody of anything specific, more a broad parody of the genre and pretty much everything in it made me believe it was.

Well to tell you the truth, it's not. Calling this a parody is like calling every mech based anime a parody of Gigantor. Or calling every other anime a parody because they have funny moments in them. The time skip thing, we've shown you that it has nothing to do with being a parody either. And what other anime do you see from people living underground to throwing galaxies? This question just makes me call it one thing. Overkill

Wigglez wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Wigglez wrote:Woah woah woah... What makes you think Gurren Lagann was a parody?

Not a parody of anything specific, more a broad parody of the genre and pretty much everything in it made me believe it was.

Well to tell you the truth, it's not. Calling this a parody is like calling every mech based anime a parody of Gigantor. Or calling every other anime a parody because they have funny moments in them. The time skip thing, we've shown you that that has nothing to do with being a parody either. And what other anime do you see from people living underground to throwing galaxies? This question just makes me call it one thing. Overkill

Again, I'm not talking about the second time skip, that one was a natural one, I'm talking about the "WTF is going on? did I miss a couple of episodes?" one from episode 13 to 14, the one that did not say it was a time skip but purposely made to look like part of a multi-part story.

It doesn't just have funny moments, it goes over the top with them, while pointing out the clichés of the genre. The whole thing with being so over the top is a common thing with parodies, you take something silly that's very common in a genre or medium and poke fun of it by going utterly insane with it.

Like the supper powerful Spiral energy being the "power of love", or the super over the top ridicules final battle in which they combine with the universe. (spoiler tags since I don't want to spoil the ending and I want people to watch the show.)

Like the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles originally did, which parodied the dark, gritty and violent comics that where getting popular at the time by letting four Turtles being the ones who dish out all the violence.

And that's what Gurren Lagann did so great, it poked fun at the genre, included clever references to stuff, but still managed to have it's own story so it can be enjoyed by people not familiar with the genre and the stuff it parodies.

Hmmm... Who f***ing loved Death Note? I did! But seriously, Gurren Lagann is like one of the best animes out. And point taken sir. But Death Note. Who saw the live action movies of it?

IN OTHER NEWS UNRELATED TO MECH PARODY!!!!!

What urked me about Gurren Lagann was that, in the beginning of the very first episode, the guy on deck with Simon, was the evolved human version of that little pig-mole, (Guuntah or somthing?) when he used siral energy. Re-watch that scene, its him. I dont get how that beginning part pieces in with the rest of the story. I think his slot as a perminent humanoid-animal character was taken by Viral, and they just said "**** it, turn him into that thing for 30 seconds the thats it!" Odd concept though. maybe it fits into the parrelel works? Those were cool (Exept one...)

At the beginning? I would have to rewatch it to find out what you're talking about. The only part I remember that pig mole thing being humanoid was at the end of the whole thing when he helped fight off the anti-spiral.

Wigglez wrote:At the beginning? I would have to rewatch it to find out what you're talking about. The only part I remember that pig mole thing being humanoid was at the end of the whole thing when he helped fight off the anti-spiral.

Yeah, when he evolved. That exact humanoid form can be sen abourd the Cathedral Terra/Super Galaxy Dai Gurren/Overly Convenient macguffin ship in the very first scene of the very first episode. Its on youtube, itd take you like ten seconds go see.

Yeah, I just did. I forgot they had the whole a look into the future thing before anything even happened.

Dead Metal wrote:Again, I'm not talking about the second time skip, that one was a natural one, I'm talking about the "WTF is going on? did I miss a couple of episodes?" one from episode 13 to 14, the one that did not say it was a time skip but purposely made to look like part of a multi-part story.

I watched the episode in question while I was calling you out on it and, much to my surprise, it didn't happen the way you said at all. They don't even tell you how far in to the battle they are until it's a few minutes in. Maybe you need to rewatch the series.

While we're at it, dare to compare Gundam 00. Season 2, episode 17/18; they go from every faction teaming up to prevent orbital debris from demolishing a city, and a major character dying...then the next episode, it's four months later and opens with Celestial Being in a giant battle, destroying an orbital cannon.

Dead Metal wrote:It doesn't just have funny moments, it goes over the top with them, while pointing out the clichés of the genre.

That doesn't strictly denote a parody. Kick-Ass, for instance. It's humorous, yes, it's pokes fun at the clichés of it's genre, yes, it's very over-the-top with them, absolutely, but it's not a parody.

Dead Metal wrote:The whole thing with being so over the top is a common thing with parodies, you take something silly that's very common in a genre or medium and poke fun of it by going utterly insane with it.

So...Dragon Ball Z is a parody, then? Because it's literally just Gurren Lagann without the robots.

Dead Metal wrote:Like the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles originally did, which parodied the dark, gritty and violent comics that where getting popular at the time by letting four Turtles being the ones who dish out all the violence.

Um...no. All kinds of no. That's not what TMNT did. They adapted it to be marketable to kids show, not to make fun of the source material.

Dead Metal wrote:And that's what Gurren Lagann did so great, it poked fun at the genre, included clever references to stuff, but still managed to have it's own story so it can be enjoyed by people not familiar with the genre and the stuff it parodies.

That's exactly what Evangelion did, actually. Everything that series did was a clever rip on something. Giant robot anime, giant robot anime protagonists (You didn't think Shinji was that bitchy by accident, did you?), anime fans, everything. Anno was not a happy camper when he made that series.

BeastProwl wrote:What urked me about Gurren Lagann was that, in the beginning of the very first episode, the guy on deck with Simon, was the evolved human version of that little pig-mole, (Guuntah or somthing?) when he used siral energy. Re-watch that scene, its him. I dont get how that beginning part pieces in with the rest of the story. I think his slot as a perminent humanoid-animal character was taken by Viral, and they just said **** it, turn him into that thing for 30 seconds the thats it!" Odd concept though. maybe it fits into the parrelel works? Those were cool (Exept one...)

The reason the first five minutes doesn't mesh with the rest of the series is...well, Gainax just kind of forgot. Literally, that was supposed to be a part of something, but as time went on, they ended up doing something else, and now they couldn't tell you what the original ending was supposed to be.

Wigglez wrote:Hmmm... Who f***ing loved Death Note? I did!

Loved Death Note. Loved it. Dealt with clichés of detective and supernatural series? Yep. Went amazingly over-the-top? Yep. Parody? by DM's definition, yep.

Shadowman wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Again, I'm not talking about the second time skip, that one was a natural one, I'm talking about the "WTF is going on? did I miss a couple of episodes?" one from episode 13 to 14, the one that did not say it was a time skip but purposely made to look like part of a multi-part story.

I watched the episode in question while I was calling you out on it and, much to my surprise, it didn't happen the way you said at all. They don't even tell you how far in to the battle they are until it's a few minutes in. Maybe you need to rewatch the series.

Did I ever state that it immediately says that it's the 6th day? No I did not but both it and the previous episode where purposely made to look like they where parts in two different multi-part stories. You can't deny that and that was the whole point of me bringing it up.

Shadowman wrote:While we're at it, dare to compare Gundam 00. Season 2, episode 17/18; they go from every faction teaming up to prevent orbital debris from demolishing a city, and a major character dying...then the next episode, it's four months later and opens with Celestial Being in a giant battle, destroying an orbital cannon.

Looks like you have to not only re-watch Gurren Lagann but also Gundam 00 Season 2 ep 18 opens with an exposition speech by the Federation President the Celetrial being attack comes later after the exposition which is a few minutes.
So yea, it offers right from the start an explanation for what happened in the 4 months prior to that ep, unlike GLs skip.

Adding to that that Gundam 00 is a serious anime I really don't understand how you intended to make your point of GL not being a parody by bringing in a serious anime?
Apples and oranges Shadowman, apples and oranges.

You do know that parodies parody the serious things of a genre don't you? You don't honestly think that parodies just make stuff up or parody other parodies?

Dead Metal wrote:It doesn't just have funny moments, it goes over the top with them, while pointing out the clichés of the genre.

That doesn't strictly denote a parody. Kick-Ass, for instance. It's humorous, yes, it's pokes fun at the clichés of it's genre, yes, it's very over-the-top with them, absolutely, but it's not a parody.
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It's not as humours and over the top as Gurren Lagann is with it's clichés, that's where the difference lies.

Shadowman wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:The whole thing with being so over the top is a common thing with parodies, you take something silly that's very common in a genre or medium and poke fun of it by going utterly insane with it.

So...Dragon Ball Z is a parody, then? Because it's literally just Gurren Lagann without the robots.

Well as a matter of fact, Dragonball was originally just a parody of the story "Journey to the West". That's why Son goku is called Son Goku (Monkey King in Japanese), and the whole character rooster with a rich young girl, a bandit/ warrior and a pig.
And Dragonball got so silly that it basically degraded into self-parody by the Cell Saga. Although the series went down that road due to fan reaction wanting it to be more serious and mature.

Shadowman wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Like the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles originally did, which parodied the dark, gritty and violent comics that where getting popular at the time by letting four Turtles being the ones who dish out all the violence.

Um...no. All kinds of no. That's not what TMNT did. They adapted it to be marketable to kids show, not to make fun of the source material.

The answer lies in the bolded part. You know, the original Turtles from the original Mirage comics. You know the old black and white comics the cartoon is based on.

Dead Metal wrote:And that's what Gurren Lagann did so great, it poked fun at the genre, included clever references to stuff, but still managed to have it's own story so it can be enjoyed by people not familiar with the genre and the stuff it parodies.

That's exactly what Evangelion did, actually. Everything that series did was a clever rip on something. Giant robot anime, giant robot anime protagonists (You didn't think Shinji was that bitchy by accident, did you?), anime fans, everything. Anno was not a happy camper when he made that series.

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I was never interested in Evangelion so I can't comment on that, but I highly doubt that it's as silly and in your face as Gurren Lagann.

That's fantastic. You're still wrong though. No sense arguing with you, you're clearly dead-set in your poor definition of "parody." It's like talking to a brick wall, except the wall misinterprets storytelling elements and humor while completely ignoring the original intent of the writers to make the series out to be something it isn't.

So they're doing a movie series (Animated, no live-action, I don't think most sane studios would fund that) of Berserk, based around the Golden Age Arc. Which is great because if there's one thing we needed, it's to see all the blood, gore, and rape in HD.

I have some respect for Berserk, in case that all sounded too critical. Still working on the Manga, though.

Typical Shadowman, first you get offended by something, barge in on it, then refuse to let go after everyone it originally concerned walked away from it, insult someone's intelligence, bring up unfounded points and after they've been refuted and you're shown to be wrong you suddenly want it all to end and let it look like the other one is the fool.

Then after a couple of weeks you forget all about it and it all starts anew.