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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:29 am

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SlyTF1 wrote:Damnit, Australia! Y U get the movie a week early!? :BOOM:


I saw the first Transformers weeks before anyone else ... and I shared a cinema with Megan Fox and Rachel Taylor and Michael Bay introduced the movie for us.


You shared the same enclosed space with Rachael Taylor???

You lucky, lucky a-hole.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Burn » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:39 am

Isabel Lucas use to live about an hour and a half "up the road" ...
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Shadowman » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:16 am

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SlyTF1 wrote:Damnit, Australia! Y U get the movie a week early!? :BOOM:


I saw the first Transformers weeks before anyone else ... and I shared a cinema with Megan Fox and Rachel Taylor and Michael Bay introduced the movie for us.


You shared the same enclosed space with Rachael Taylor???

You lucky, lucky a-hole.


To be fair, he also had to share an enclosed space with Megan Fox, so it all kind of evens out.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:26 am

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Shadowman wrote:To be fair, he also had to share an enclosed space with Megan Fox, so it all kind of evens out.


I was trying not think about that part, and I successfully forgot about it until now. Thank you very much.

But Rachael Taylor trumps Megan Fox in every positive quality I look for in a woman. I think she could have played Carly very well.

And I liked Isabel Lucas's character, even if it was a rip-off of the T-X from Terminator 3. She's cute, but not as beautiful as Rachael Taylor. I wish she picked better roles than what she's done since the first film...
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Shadowman » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:00 pm

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It happens from time to time. Like Burn said, he saw the first Transformers weeks before it hit the US.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:04 pm

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Yeah, Battleship has been out for about a month internationally, and it will be here in a few weeks.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Shadowman » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:14 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, Battleship has been out for about a month internationally, and it will be here in a few weeks.


It's not out already? The way they've been running ads, you'd think it was coming out tomorrow. Doesn't change the fact that it's most likely going to blow.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Burn » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:24 pm

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It happens from time to time. Like Burn said, he saw the first Transformers weeks before it hit the US.


That being said, it did cost me $700 in airfares and accommodation. But hey, it was a world wide Hollywood style premiere. Doubt i'll ever have that experience again.

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, Battleship has been out for about a month internationally, and it will be here in a few weeks.


It's not out already? The way they've been running ads, you'd think it was coming out tomorrow. Doesn't change the fact that it's most likely going to blow.


I assumed it was a world wide release. I can't be bothered going to see it, I doubt it'll be any good, especially when you compare it to other stuff this year like Prometheus, Dark Knight Rises, and to a lesser extent, Men in Black 3.

Oh and The Avengers. 'cause you know, that's the movie of the year right there.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Shadowman » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:38 pm

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Burn wrote:I assumed it was a world wide release. I can't be bothered going to see it, I doubt it'll be any good, especially when you compare it to other stuff this year like Prometheus, Dark Knight Rises, and to a lesser extent, Men in Black 3.

Oh and The Avengers. 'cause you know, that's the movie of the year right there.


Also GI Joe, Spider-Man, and Ambraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. And that's just the next three months. It's going to be a good year for movies.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:51 pm

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Yeah, I also think Battleship will be a disappointment. Can't believe I'm saying this, but it looks like a Transformers-wannabe. And yeah, probably no other movie will match the success (financially or creatively) of The Avengers for the rest of the year. I think Amazing Spider-Man will come close. At least, I hope. It already looks better than the Tobey Maguire garbage. And yes, I'm also looking forward to Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Dead Metal » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:55 pm

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Man I loved this movie, it's awesome.

And I was even kinda right about my expectations, I believed the invading army would be the Skrull and that Thanos would be the big bad.

Turns out it's the Chitari, alternate universe versions of the Skrull, and Thanos was the big bad behind the scenes.

I too am sad that Phil is dead, he was an important and integral part of this this universe, mostly due to the fact that he was created for the movies plus he was the guy who brought them all together.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Burn » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:56 pm

Wow, way to not use the spoiler tags like the rest of us did. :lol:
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:44 am

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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Overcracker » Tue May 01, 2012 5:38 pm

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Just saw this movie yesterday. It was loads of fun. Much better than I expected, though I have some issues with it.

Key of which is the way they handled Hulk and Banner. I just didn;t like Mark Ruffalo's portrayal of Banner nor did I like what they did with Hulk.

It just wasn't consistent throughout the movie. Its like he's a raging beast we need to be careful... no no he isn't Banner is in perfect control. Let him do his thing.

The final teaser was awesome. Hope they do follow through in the sequel.

All in all a really good movie. Again Downey is still the best there is.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Shadowman » Tue May 01, 2012 5:50 pm

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Overcracker wrote:It just wasn't consistent throughout the movie. Its like he's a raging beast we need to be careful... no no he isn't Banner is in perfect control. Let him do his thing.


Hulk can tell friend from foe, and if used right can also be aimed like a weapon. (Bruce admitted as much near the end of the last movie) That said, unless you've got a problem that needs a Hulk-sized ass kicking, it's best not to force the transformation.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue May 01, 2012 7:52 pm

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Overcracker wrote:I just didn't like Mark Ruffalo's portrayal of Banner nor did I like what they did with Hulk.


Well, then you might not like to hear that Ruffalo has signed on for 6 (I repeat: SIX) Marvel movies as Bruce Banner/ The Hulk. I am not sure of the details, but I assume that includes the Avengers' movies as well as single character films.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Overcracker » Tue May 01, 2012 8:44 pm

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Overcracker wrote:I just didn't like Mark Ruffalo's portrayal of Banner nor did I like what they did with Hulk.


Well, then you might not like to hear that Ruffalo has signed on for 6 (I repeat: SIX) Marvel movies as Bruce Banner/ The Hulk. I am not sure of the details, but I assume that includes the Avengers' movies as well as single character films.

Well maybe he'll grow into the role more. He's the only one who didn't have a movie of his own to get comfortable with the character. So maybe his next outing will be a little better.

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Overcracker wrote:It just wasn't consistent throughout the movie. Its like he's a raging beast we need to be careful... no no he isn't Banner is in perfect control. Let him do his thing.


Hulk can tell friend from foe, and if used right can also be aimed like a weapon. (Bruce admitted as much near the end of the last movie) That said, unless you've got a problem that needs a Hulk-sized ass kicking, it's best not to force the transformation.


He can, but these guys were attacking him the last time he saw them. How does he know they wont do it again. Why would he help them? Oh and since when can Banner bring about the transformation at will?

They need to work on that one, and I have 3 words for them:

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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Shadowman » Tue May 01, 2012 8:52 pm

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Overcracker wrote:He can, but these guys were attacking him the last time he saw them. How does he know they wont do it again. Why would he help them?


That was in the last Hulk movie. He defended General Ross against the Abomination rather than, you know, killing him outright. Though that may have only been because Ross was on the same helicopter as Betty, Hulk still has a way of knowing who's on his team and who isn't.

Overcracker wrote:Oh and since when can Banner bring about the transformation at will?


Again, the last movie. Bruce was shown meditating, then grinning as his eyes began to glow green, and the "Days since last transformation" dropped to zero.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Burn » Tue May 01, 2012 9:26 pm

Overcracker wrote:Oh and since when can Banner bring about the transformation at will?


Because Banner is "always angry".
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Overcracker » Tue May 01, 2012 9:36 pm

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Overcracker wrote:He can, but these guys were attacking him the last time he saw them. How does he know they wont do it again. Why would he help them?


That was in the last Hulk movie. He defended General Ross against the Abomination rather than, you know, killing him outright. Though that may have only been because Ross was on the same helicopter as Betty, Hulk still has a way of knowing who's on his team and who isn't.

Overcracker wrote:Oh and since when can Banner bring about the transformation at will?


Again, the last movie. Bruce was shown meditating, then grinning as his eyes began to glow green, and the "Days since last transformation" dropped to zero.


Fine he can control it now, so then why was he rampaging around the hellicarrier earlier punching everyone. Seems that either he can or he can't. But they can't have it both ways.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Shadowman » Tue May 01, 2012 9:50 pm

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Overcracker wrote:Fine he can control it now, so then why was he rampaging around the hellicarrier earlier punching everyone. Seems that either he can or he can't. But they can't have it both ways.


I already explained that.

Shadowman wrote:Hulk can tell friend from foe, and if used right can also be aimed like a weapon. (Bruce admitted as much near the end of the last movie) That said, unless you've got a problem that needs a Hulk-sized ass kicking, it's best not to force the transformation.


Unless Bruce can trigger the transformation with a specific goal in mind (Stop Abomination, kill aliens, etc.) then it's going to just be regular old Hulk.

Overcracker wrote:But they can't have it both ways.


It's the Hulk, the personification of rage and chaos. Yes they can have it both ways.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Overcracker » Tue May 01, 2012 10:09 pm

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Overcracker wrote:But they can't have it both ways.


It's the Hulk, the personification of rage and chaos. Yes they can have it both ways.



No they can't. If he's the personification of Rage and chaos that implies there's no control, he's chaos. Once he's in control he's no longer rage and chaos he's channeled.

Having it both ways is just a plot convenience. We write him one way now, and 30 minutes later we write him a different way so he fits in with the story we need to tell with absolutely no explanation for it. 5 or 10 more minutes of exposition could have solved this even if you still wanted to include the rampaging Hulk for a brief moment.

Its the fact they just went form rampaging brute to cooperative strong guy in a mere scene change.

If you wanted to take the fact that he's in control now and can be channeled then that's fine, but then he's no longer a threat as they portrayed. Yes I'm sure Banner can still loose control eventually, but we saw no reason for this at all.

Now this is my opinion of it, I didn't like it.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Burn » Tue May 01, 2012 11:53 pm

It's explained clearly!

When Banner rolls up on the bike, they ask him if he can change, at which point he reveals his "secret" to keeping the Hulk restrained is that he's "always angry".

On the Helicarrier, he was pushed too far by everything that was unfolding, Banner saw himself being betrayed, it pissed him off, he Hulked out and went on a rampage.

Once he regained control and saw what was happening, he realised he had to work with them.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Dead Metal » Wed May 02, 2012 2:50 am

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It is also explained in the movie that Hulk saves Banner's life and reacts to threats to Banner's life. In the Hellicarier Banner was the victim of an attack, an explosion I believe, Hulk reacted to that and saw every body as a threat to Banner.

Later Banner just changes himself into the Hulk pointing him towards his enemies.
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